From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HwfQw-0001Ii-Co for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 14:27:23 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l58EQ6Pn015627; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:26:06 GMT Received: from s15216962.onlinehome-server.info (s15216962.onlinehome-server.info [217.160.22.205]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l58ELh7u010948 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 14:21:49 GMT Received: (from uucp@localhost) by s15216962.onlinehome-server.info (8.13.3/8.13.3/SuSE Linux 0.7) with UUCP id l58ELB7C025774 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:21:11 +0200 Received: (from weigelt@localhost) by nibiru.metux.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) id l58EKKAt003300 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:20:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 16:20:20 +0200 From: Enrico Weigelt To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] why multiple versions of java-config, automake, and autoconf? Message-ID: <20070608142020.GE765@nibiru.local> References: <20070606234438.GE2575@nibiru.local> <200706071754.53896.bo.andresen@zlin.dk> <20070608124654.GA765@nibiru.local> <8cd1ed20706080618o4db2b1a8o1d59aac77898cdd3@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8cd1ed20706080618o4db2b1a8o1d59aac77898cdd3@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Terror: bin laden, kill bush, Briefbombe, Massenvernichtung, KZ, X-Nazi: Weisse Rasse, Hitlers Wiederauferstehung, 42, X-Antichrist: weg mit schaeuble, ausrotten, heiliger krieg, al quaida, X-Killer: 23, endloesung, Weltuntergang, X-Doof: wer das liest ist doof X-Archives-Salt: bd368247-7579-474f-b1c5-7f7ef7f7b55e X-Archives-Hash: c0c5dfab573a6b049f1b0ffc8a39eb9d * Kent Fredric wrote: > On 6/9/07, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > > > >What flexibility do I take away exactly ? > >And what exactly gets harder ? > > > > Automated building of dependant packages More precisely ? AFAICS it would be much easier w/o slots. I already mentioned "Briegel". Here I'm strictly doing as described. This works great. The only reason for using Gentoo is that it has much, much more manpower than me alone. For most common systems Gentoo is quite good, for embedded targets (where I've got relatively few packages) I'm using Briegel. > Gentoo has a collection of magic script that do make this nice for us. Which ones for example ? / What exactly do they do ? Would that magic be necessary with my approach ? > ie ( last I looked anyway ) java-config and autoconf were not binarys, > but scripts which pointed to the correct binary given the right > environment variables. > > This makes the building of other packages that were invented upstream > without predicting changes in autoconf easier to maintain, instead of > having to send out a new patch every time upstream releases a > non-compatible-with-new-autoconfs version /just/ to make it work, we > just set WANT_AUTOCONF=1.4 in the environment and the appropriate > autoconf gets run, which seeems a fairly reasonable thing to do. ( > otherwise the concept we have today known as a version bump would be a > whole deal harder more often) Yeah. Wrapper scripts. I also have such things @ Briegel. Please explain why this is an reasonable argument in the question whether or whether not to do slotting ? > I remeber the days of Java1.4 -> Java1.5 migration headaches before > they slotted it and created java-confing system to get around it, Would it make a difference if sun-java-1.5 would have got it's own package name (distinct from -1.4) ? AFAIK -1.4 and -1.5 are really incompatible, almost as much as gtk-1.x vs. gtk-2.x. So why not treating them as different packages ? > As for gtk2-0.1 vs gtk-2.0.1, the latter is clearly a more logical > version number. Why not gtk2-2.0.1 ? > if it was called gtk2 instead of gtk-2, it would need a separate > folder, and a completely different set of configs, Yes, of course - it's an different package. > it was bad enough when php4 & php5 were different applications. Why ? php4 and php5 are very incompatible, almost as much as it had been with php3. This already had been clear when php5 was at alpha. I never ever expected them to be the same package. Of course evrything would be much clearer if there was an big consensous on naming the scripts with *.php4 and *.php3 as it had been done in history w/ php3. But this really has nothing to do with slotting vs. separate packages. cu -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce: http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions: http://patches.metux.de/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list