From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Hw62X-0004HI-Vb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 00:39:50 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l570cZn5014485; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:38:35 GMT Received: from hades.rz.tu-clausthal.de (hades.rz.tu-clausthal.de [139.174.2.20]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l570Y4d7009618 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 00:34:04 GMT Received: from hades.rz.tu-clausthal.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D43D207BBF for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 02:34:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tu-clausthal.de (poseidon [139.174.2.21]) by hades.rz.tu-clausthal.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C70B207BBD for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 02:34:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from energy.heim10.tu-clausthal.de (account wevah [139.174.197.94] verified) by tu-clausthal.de (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.9) with ESMTPSA id 23912608 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:34:04 +0200 From: "Hemmann, Volker Armin" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Again: Critical bugs considered invalid Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 02:34:02 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <20070605150742.GB7993@nibiru.local> <200706070001.07084.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <20070606231029.GD2575@nibiru.local> In-Reply-To: <20070606231029.GD2575@nibiru.local> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200706070234.02530.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> X-Virus-Scanned: by PureMessage V4.7 at tu-clausthal.de X-Archives-Salt: 798a6a7b-9dbd-492f-83d2-b6b666e7e6b1 X-Archives-Hash: 2eea5934337cb35864000faaa3a21017 On Donnerstag, 7. Juni 2007, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > seems, certain wranglers are for killing bugs of > > > > specific persons ;-O > > > > well, Jakub is very fast closing bugs - and sometimes he closes > > them too fast... this is nothing new - and arguing with him in a > > civil manner usually solves that. > > I'm some bit confused that the wranglers should do such decisions > at all (if they're not also involved in the affected package). because it is their job to filter out noise so 'real' devs can concentrate on the 'real' bugs. They are the first line of defence. And since bug wranglers are humans, they can't know everything and sometimes they make a mistake. Bug wranglers are the first filter, if the bug is not assigned to a team. And sometimes, they filter things, that should not be filtered out. Stay calm, explain the situation - and in my experience it will resolved. But having a fit on this ml does not help anybody - it just looks bad. And it makes YOU look bad. I have been at the wrong end of bug wranglers (Moc) and java devs (when I complained years ago, that updating one java vm, would change the user vm, even if that package would be unaffected. For example user vm sun, update of blackdown vm, user vm now blackdown vm. It took a lot of discussion, but it was worth it). Did I complain on this mailing list? No. Because I know that the devs are humans and that they are volunteers. Did that stop me from filing bugs? Heck no! I just opened one yesterday and it was fixed in less than 12h... without fuss or discussions. Some people forget, that the devs are unpaid volunteers who are not perfect beings, but humans - and some people forget, that the world does not revolve around them. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list