[gentoo-user] which syslog?

[gentoo-user] which syslog?

[Sven Köhler]

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Hi,

so until recently, i have been using sysklogd. So i had my auth.log,
mail.log, syslog, messages, etc. in /var/log.

Now i switched to syslog-ng. Now, only /var/log/messages gets filled
with all, that i would expect in auth.log or mail.log.

Maybe syslog-ng can be configured to behave like sysklogd. But i would
rather like a default-config that behaves like sysklogd.


So the next thing i could try is metalog.

Does it have a nice default config?



Regards,
  Sven


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[gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

[Anno v. Heimburg]

Sven Köhler wrote:
> So the next thing i could try is metalog.
> 
> Does it have a nice default config?

I think so, but I did modify it to better suit my needs. It doesn't need
logrotate, which IMHO is a big plus, and I find its filters much easier to
set up than syslog-ng's. I am curious, though: If you like the sysklogd
layout to the point that you want to replicate it exactly in other log
daemons, why do you want to switch log daemons?

Anno.

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[gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

[Sven Köhler]

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I am curious, though: If you like the sysklogd
> layout to the point that you want to replicate it exactly in other log
> daemons, why do you want to switch log daemons?

Last sysklogd version if from 2001.
And portage contains 1.4.2_pre2007* versions. This was curious to me.

And on the other hand, other distributions don't use sysklogd anymore.
Instead they use syslog-ng, for example.

But i guess, they have a more suitable default setting. Everything going
to /var/log/messes is just to simple, i think. Actually i don't want the
layout to be like sysklogd. But i would like a little more complicated
default setting.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

[Galevsky]

http://gentoo-wiki.com/Syslog-ng

Is that kind of conf (described in Quick Start section) far away from
what you are looking for ?

Gal'

2007/5/30, Sven Köhler <skoehler@upb.de>:
> I am curious, though: If you like the sysklogd
> > layout to the point that you want to replicate it exactly in other log
> > daemons, why do you want to switch log daemons?
>
> Last sysklogd version if from 2001.
> And portage contains 1.4.2_pre2007* versions. This was curious to me.
>
> And on the other hand, other distributions don't use sysklogd anymore.
> Instead they use syslog-ng, for example.
>
> But i guess, they have a more suitable default setting. Everything going
> to /var/log/messes is just to simple, i think. Actually i don't want the
> layout to be like sysklogd. But i would like a little more complicated
> default setting.
>
>
>
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[gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

[Anno v. Heimburg]

Sven Köhler wrote:

> But i guess, they have a more suitable default setting. Everything going
> to /var/log/messes is just to simple, i think. Actually i don't want the
> layout to be like sysklogd. But i would like a little more complicated
> default setting.

Okay, in that case, I'll say that metalog has a very-sensible-to-me default
setting, tweaking which I resisted for quite some time. What seems sensible
to me might be lunacy to you, however, so have a go at it and see for
yourself.

Anno.

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Re: [gentoo-user] which syslog?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 30 May 2007, Sven Köhler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> so until recently, i have been using sysklogd. So i had my auth.log,
> mail.log, syslog, messages, etc. in /var/log.
>
> Now i switched to syslog-ng. Now, only /var/log/messages gets filled
> with all, that i would expect in auth.log or mail.log.

Did you configure syslog-ng correctly?

It does not read /etc/syslog.conf, it 
reads /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf for it's configuration. Chances are 
the default is to send most everything to messages

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

[darren kirby]

quoth the Sven Köhler:
> > It does not read /etc/syslog.conf, it
> > reads /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf for it's configuration. Chances are
> > the default is to send most everything to messages
>
> Yes, that's the default.
>
> And actually, i don't want to configure all my machines. I would prefer
> a more suitable default config.

You're using the wrong OS then ;)

Is it really too hard to copy and paste the config from the quickstart guide 
that Galevsky posted a link to? 

-d
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: which syslog?

[darren kirby]

quoth the kashani:
> darren kirby wrote:
> > quoth the Sven Köhler:
> >>> It does not read /etc/syslog.conf, it
> >>> reads /etc/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.conf for it's configuration. Chances are
> >>> the default is to send most everything to messages
> >>
> >> Yes, that's the default.
> >>
> >> And actually, i don't want to configure all my machines. I would prefer
> >> a more suitable default config.
> >
> > You're using the wrong OS then ;)
> >
> > Is it really too hard to copy and paste the config from the quickstart
> > guide that Galevsky posted a link to?
> >
> > -d
>
> 	Sane defaults, which Gentoo has most of the time, would be nice in this
> case. Oddly Gentoo used to include a nice syslog-ng.conf back in
> 2003/2004 which was dropped in favor of the current lobotomized conf file.
>
> kashani

Perhaps we need an enhancement bug. See if it gains any traction. I can only 
imagine that the syslog-ng dev(s) thinks /var/log/messages alone is the sane 
default. 

Oh, here it is:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=108313

-d
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