RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[burlingk]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hemmann, Volker Armin 
> [mailto:volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:34 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> 
> 
> On Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> > Ok,  Here goes...
> >
> >
> > How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a 
> full copy of 
> > the portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles 
> > directory of the average server?
> 
> dunno, but huge.
 <snip>
> you will waste a lot of bandwidth and diskspace. The mirror 
> might hate you for 
> it. You will have lots and lots of packages like packageX.1.1, 
> packageX.1.1.0, packageX.1.1.1....
> -- 
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list

I think that a better option may be to decide which software I want,
and use emerge -ef <package> on each of the big packages to get just
what I need.  Maybe setting up a stage three install, with just the
kernel, boot loader, and portage and using 'emerge -ef world' first
might have the desired effect as far as getting the base system first.

:-)

That would also let me make sure that I have an up to date portage tree,
and just the files I need and maybe a few more. ^^;;

Does that sound better, and less likely to piss off the mirrors? :P

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hemmann, Volker Armin
> > [mailto:volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:34 PM
> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> >
> > On Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> > > Ok,  Here goes...
> > >
> > >
> > > How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a
> >
> > full copy of
> >
> > > the portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles
> > > directory of the average server?
> >
> > dunno, but huge.
>
>  <snip>
>
> > you will waste a lot of bandwidth and diskspace. The mirror
> > might hate you for
> > it. You will have lots and lots of packages like packageX.1.1,
> > packageX.1.1.0, packageX.1.1.1....
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
> I think that a better option may be to decide which software I want,
> and use emerge -ef <package> on each of the big packages to get just
> what I need.  Maybe setting up a stage three install, with just the
> kernel, boot loader, and portage and using 'emerge -ef world' first
> might have the desired effect as far as getting the base system first.
>
> :-)
>
> That would also let me make sure that I have an up to date portage tree,
> and just the files I need and maybe a few more. ^^;;
>
> Does that sound better, and less likely to piss off the mirrors? :P

yes ;)

but why not set 'parallel-fetch' in your make.conf? That way portage should 
download packages, while compiling?
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[gentoo-user] Re: A Theoretical install Question

[»Q«]

<burlingk@cv63.navy.mil> wrote:

> I think that a better option may be to decide which software I want,
> and use emerge -ef <package> on each of the big packages to get just
> what I need.

If you populate your world file first (by hand if you like), then one
emerge -ef world should get you all the files you might need.

Multiple emerge -ef <package> commands would work ok, but it would
involve a lot of unnecessary checksumming.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A Theoretical install Question

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 22 May 2007 03:07:57 -0500, »Q« wrote:

> If you populate your world file first (by hand if you like), then one
> emerge -ef world should get you all the files you might need.

That won't work, portage will complain that there is a problem with our
world file and bail out. Put the packages you want in a file like world
then do "emerge -ef $(cat myworld)".


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[gentoo-user] Re: A Theoretical install Question

[»Q«]

In <news:20070522093935.1f1881a6@zaphod.digimed.co.uk>,
Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 May 2007 03:07:57 -0500, »Q« wrote:
> 
> > If you populate your world file first (by hand if you like), then
> > one emerge -ef world should get you all the files you might need.
> 
> That won't work, portage will complain that there is a problem with
> our world file and bail out. 

Ah, thanks.  I didn't realize emerge was unhappy with packages in world
which are not already installed.

> Put the packages you want in a file like world then do 
> "emerge -ef $(cat myworld)".

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RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[burlingk]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hemmann, Volker Armin 
> [mailto:volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 9:58 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> 
> 
> On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, Dale wrote:
> > Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > > On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> > >> I think that I will probably be better off doing a stage three 
> > >> install, then doing an 'emerge -euD world' or similar 
> before moving 
> > >> on from there.  After that, I can just make sure to 
> watch the FAQ's 
> > >> and walkthroughs when I install Xorg to make sure that I do it 
> > >> right.  ^_^
> > >
> > > why?  there is no need to do that. emerge -u --newuse 
> world would be 
> > > much more 'interessting'. Btw, an deep world update 
> ruined most of 
> > > my weekend... don't do --deep if you don't have to.
> >
> > Funny, I sync every few days or so and always do a emerge 
> -uvD world.  
> > I have less problems with that than just doing a -u world.
> >
> > Maybe it is when you do things consistantly that keeps things going 
> >well
> 
> and are you doing revdep-rebuilt afterwards?
> 
> Last time gwenviev and kipi stuff broke, krita broke and some 
> other stuff. 
> Krita did not emerge because of some changed symbols, so I 
> had to reemerge 
> koffice-libs - something revdep-rebuild did not catch. It 
> catches changed 
> versions, but if a lib is recompiled because of an -r update 
> and there are 
> symbol problems, revdep will not see them... 
> I had to rebuild kdepim and a lot of other stuff, just 
> because of that -D 
> update. It sucks to have to revdep-rebuild a douzend 
> packages. It suckes even 
> more when half of them fail because of some symbols and you 
> have to reemerge 
> three or four additional libs, so you can't just let it run 
> unattended...
> 
> In my years of gentoo, -D always caused problems and was 
> almost never worth 
> the trouble.
> -- 

I am glad I am asking questions now, and not after doing something
dumb. :P  I could SOOO mess things up on a new box. ^_^

;-)  I think the keyword of the day will be planning! ^_^
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RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[burlingk]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Farrell [mailto:dan@spore.ath.cx] 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 12:27 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> 
> 
> Not to mention you will spend much longer waiting for 
> everything to download then you'd have to wait for everything 
> do download on demand. It would probably be more desirable 
> for you to keep a network-shared distfiles than mirror the 
> servers.  Then there's the age-old 'static hosts file' 
> problem - just like the giant host file describing everyone 
> took longer to transfer than to become outdated back in the 
> glorious days of UNIX, it will also probably take longer to 
> dowload all distfiles ever than it will for those distfiles 
> to become outdated.  In conclusion, I think this is a rather 
> silly idea. 
> -- 

You are right I think.
If nothing else the handbook says that Gentoo etiquite says not
to rsync your portage tree more than once a day.  For the average
distro, once a week or even once a month is more than sufficient
to keep up with the packages in the main branch.

I think that I will probably be better off doing a stage three
install, then doing an 'emerge -euD world' or similar before
moving on from there.  After that, I can just make sure to watch
the FAQ's and walkthroughs when I install Xorg to make sure that
I do it right.  ^_^

Hopefully by the time I build the machine, either A) I can get
a decent nVidia card, or B) the ATI drivers will be released. ^_^

I preffer nVidia, but if the ATI drivers go open source (crossing
my fingers but not holding my breath), then that will be a good
option as well.

^_^

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 23 May 2007 02:13:18 burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> If nothing else the handbook says that Gentoo etiquite says not
> to rsync your portage tree more than once a day.  For the average
> distro, once a week or even once a month is more than sufficient
> to keep up with the packages in the main branch.

If you wait more than 30 days between syncs you risk missing messages in 
package.mask. Packages must be in package.mask for 30 days before being 
removed from the tree...

> I think that I will probably be better off doing a stage three
> install, then doing an 'emerge -euD world' or similar before
> moving on from there.

Err.. what was the purpose of that `emerge -e world` ? (-u and -D does 
absolutely nothing when used with -e).

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 23 May 2007 02:21:51 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:

> > I think that I will probably be better off doing a stage three
> > install, then doing an 'emerge -euD world' or similar before
> > moving on from there.  
 
> Err.. what was the purpose of that `emerge -e world` ?

To rebuild the system with your chosen USE and CFLAGS. Of course, if you
haven't changed your CFLAGS from the default, there's not point and
'emerge -uavDN world' is quite sufficient.


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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:

>
> I think that I will probably be better off doing a stage three
> install, then doing an 'emerge -euD world' or similar before
> moving on from there.  After that, I can just make sure to watch
> the FAQ's and walkthroughs when I install Xorg to make sure that
> I do it right.  ^_^

why?  there is no need to do that. emerge -u --newuse world would be much 
more 'interessting'. Btw, an deep world update ruined most of my weekend... 
don't do --deep if you don't have to.

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Dale]

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Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
>
>   
>> I think that I will probably be better off doing a stage three
>> install, then doing an 'emerge -euD world' or similar before
>> moving on from there.  After that, I can just make sure to watch
>> the FAQ's and walkthroughs when I install Xorg to make sure that
>> I do it right.  ^_^
>>     
>
> why?  there is no need to do that. emerge -u --newuse world would be much 
> more 'interessting'. Btw, an deep world update ruined most of my weekend... 
> don't do --deep if you don't have to.
>
>   

Funny, I sync every few days or so and always do a emerge -uvD world.  I
have less problems with that than just doing a -u world.

Maybe it is when you do things consistantly that keeps things going
well.  ;-)

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, Dale wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > On Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> >> I think that I will probably be better off doing a stage three
> >> install, then doing an 'emerge -euD world' or similar before
> >> moving on from there.  After that, I can just make sure to watch
> >> the FAQ's and walkthroughs when I install Xorg to make sure that
> >> I do it right.  ^_^
> >
> > why?  there is no need to do that. emerge -u --newuse world would be much
> > more 'interessting'. Btw, an deep world update ruined most of my
> > weekend... don't do --deep if you don't have to.
>
> Funny, I sync every few days or so and always do a emerge -uvD world.  I
> have less problems with that than just doing a -u world.
>
> Maybe it is when you do things consistantly that keeps things going
>well

and are you doing revdep-rebuilt afterwards?

Last time gwenviev and kipi stuff broke, krita broke and some other stuff. 
Krita did not emerge because of some changed symbols, so I had to reemerge 
koffice-libs - something revdep-rebuild did not catch. It catches changed 
versions, but if a lib is recompiled because of an -r update and there are 
symbol problems, revdep will not see them... 
I had to rebuild kdepim and a lot of other stuff, just because of that -D 
update. It sucks to have to revdep-rebuild a douzend packages. It suckes even 
more when half of them fail because of some symbols and you have to reemerge 
three or four additional libs, so you can't just let it run unattended...

In my years of gentoo, -D always caused problems and was almost never worth 
the trouble.
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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Dale]

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Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> Dale wrote:
>   
>> Funny, I sync every few days or so and always do a emerge -uvD world.  I
>> have less problems with that than just doing a -u world.
>>
>> Maybe it is when you do things consistantly that keeps things going
>> well
>>     
>
> and are you doing revdep-rebuilt afterwards?
>   

I have ran it a few times but it never wants to rebuild anything but
gcc, which has been a bug for over a year I think.  I did unmask java
once and run revdep-rebuild and it wanted to rebuild OOo.  That is all I
can remember having trouble with.
> Last time gwenviev and kipi stuff broke, krita broke and some other stuff. 
> Krita did not emerge because of some changed symbols, so I had to reemerge 
> koffice-libs - something revdep-rebuild did not catch. It catches changed 
> versions, but if a lib is recompiled because of an -r update and there are 
> symbol problems, revdep will not see them... 
> I had to rebuild kdepim and a lot of other stuff, just because of that -D 
> update. It sucks to have to revdep-rebuild a douzend packages. It suckes even 
> more when half of them fail because of some symbols and you have to reemerge 
> three or four additional libs, so you can't just let it run unattended...
>
> In my years of gentoo, -D always caused problems and was almost never worth 
> the trouble.
>   

I use KDE and have a lot of packages installed and I seem to be having
better luck myself.  I did used to just run -u world but that was when I
ran into trouble.  I guess we have something different on our system. 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 23 May 2007 02:57:31 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> In my years of gentoo, -D always caused problems and was almost never
> worth the trouble.

It's not caused me such problems, but it is an option, so you opt to
not use it and I'll opt to use it and we'll both be happy :)


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RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[burlingk]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Farrell [mailto:dan@spore.ath.cx] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:27 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> 
> 
> On Tue, 22 May 2007 16:13:11 +0900
> <burlingk@cv63.navy.mil> wrote:
<snip>

> > 
> > The next computer I build will likely be a dual core (an X2 most 
> > likely), so that may be an excellent option. :P
> > 
> I don't think you'll need much processing power to 
> parallel-fetch.  I do it on every computer with a fast enough 
> internet connection.  The real limit is disk and network for 
> downloading, not at all processor.  
> -- 

I think RAM is an issue also.  I have been messing with a laptop with
512MB 
of ram, and it is nowhere near as quick as what I am used too. ^^;;
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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 22 May 2007 16:42:38 +0900, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:

> > I don't think you'll need much processing power to 
> > parallel-fetch.  I do it on every computer with a fast enough 
> > internet connection.  The real limit is disk and network for 
> > downloading, not at all processor.  

> I think RAM is an issue also.  I have been messing with a laptop with
> 512MB 
> of ram, and it is nowhere near as quick as what I am used too. ^^;;

parallel-fetch needs significant amounts of neither RAM nor CPU power,
all it needs is enough to run an instance of wget in the background.


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RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[burlingk]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hemmann, Volker Armin 
> [mailto:volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:02 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question


 <snip>

> > That would also let me make sure that I have an up to date portage 
> > tree, and just the files I need and maybe a few more. ^^;;
> >
> > Does that sound better, and less likely to piss off the mirrors? :P
> 
> yes ;)
> 
> but why not set 'parallel-fetch' in your make.conf? That way 
> portage should 
> download packages, while compiling?
> -- 

The next computer I build will likely be a dual core (an X2 most
likely),
so that may be an excellent option. :P

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Dan Farrell]

On Tue, 22 May 2007 16:13:11 +0900
<burlingk@cv63.navy.mil> wrote:

> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hemmann, Volker Armin 
> > [mailto:volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de] 
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:02 PM
> > To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> 
> 
>  <snip>
> 
> > > That would also let me make sure that I have an up to date
> > > portage tree, and just the files I need and maybe a few more. ^^;;
> > >
> > > Does that sound better, and less likely to piss off the
> > > mirrors? :P
> > 
> > yes ;)
> > 
> > but why not set 'parallel-fetch' in your make.conf? That way 
> > portage should 
> > download packages, while compiling?
> > -- 
> 
> The next computer I build will likely be a dual core (an X2 most
> likely),
> so that may be an excellent option. :P
> 
I don't think you'll need much processing power to parallel-fetch.  I
do it on every computer with a fast enough internet connection.  The
real limit is disk and network for downloading, not at all processor.  
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RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[burlingk]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Naga [mailto:nagatoro@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:02 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> 
<snip>
> 
> According to some devs on -dev (IRC) last night about 50 GiB 
> if you want _all_ 
> distfiles.
> -- 
> Naga

Hehehe.  50GB sounds more likely. ^_^
That is quite a bit. ^-^
It would probably take a few days for me to download everything,
and then I would need to run a program again to make sure I got
everything. :P

A bit of research might be in order to decide just which files
are actually needed/wanted for my circumstances at the time, then
to download those. ^_^

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RE: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[burlingk]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Iain Buchanan [mailto:iaindb@netspace.net.au] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:30 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 13:06 +0900, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> > Ok,  Here goes...
> >  
> >  
> > How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a 
> full copy of 
> > the portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles 
> > directory of the average server?
> 
> all of the distfiles?  about 7 or 8 Gb I seem to recall 
> reading on the handbook...
> 
> > Would it be possible to draw down the whole archive all in one shot 
> > using wget or similar, dump it all into a directory on the 
> hard drive, 
> > and direct portage there for the distribution files?
> 
> yes, of course, but what for?  If you just want an "offline" 
> installation, you can use -f to emerge which will download 
> (fetch) only.
> 
> or if you want to download on one machine, and transfer the 
> files via disk or something to another machine, use -fp to 
> get the list of files to download.
> 
> of course, neither of these methods cover the fact that you 
> might not know exactly everything you want to install...
> 
> HTH,
> -- 
> Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>

That is why I was wondering about the size of the download.
If it is less than 10GB, then that may be one hell of a download,
but it is still within the realm of reason.  I imagine that by
the the time I am able to undertake such a task, the size of the
repository will likely have grown. :P
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[gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[burlingk]

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Ok,  Here goes...
 
 
How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a full copy of the
portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles directory
of the average server?
 
Would it be possible to draw down the whole archive all in one shot
using wget or similar, dump it all into a directory on the hard drive,
and direct portage there for the distribution files?
 
I know this would basically be equivelent to making a local mirror of
the distrservers, and I would have to make sure that my portage tree
matches up to the files actually on the hard drive. ^^  What other
concerns would I need to look at at this point. :P
 
 
 
 

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 13:06 +0900, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> Ok,  Here goes...
>  
>  
> How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a full copy of
> the portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles
> directory of the average server?

all of the distfiles?  about 7 or 8 Gb I seem to recall reading on the
handbook...

> Would it be possible to draw down the whole archive all in one shot
> using wget or similar, dump it all into a directory on the hard drive,
> and direct portage there for the distribution files?

yes, of course, but what for?  If you just want an "offline"
installation, you can use -f to emerge which will download (fetch) only.

or if you want to download on one machine, and transfer the files via
disk or something to another machine, use -fp to get the list of files
to download.

of course, neither of these methods cover the fact that you might not
know exactly everything you want to install...

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Naga]

On Tuesday 22 May 2007 06:06:42 burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> Ok,  Here goes...
>
>
> How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a full copy of the
> portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles directory
> of the average server?
>
> Would it be possible to draw down the whole archive all in one shot
> using wget or similar, dump it all into a directory on the hard drive,
> and direct portage there for the distribution files?
>
> I know this would basically be equivelent to making a local mirror of
> the distrservers, and I would have to make sure that my portage tree
> matches up to the files actually on the hard drive. ^^  What other
> concerns would I need to look at at this point. :P

According to some devs on -dev (IRC) last night about 50 GiB if you want _all_ 
distfiles.
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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Dale]

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Naga wrote:
>
> According to some devs on -dev (IRC) last night about 50 GiB if you want _all_ 
> distfiles.
>   


Holy smoke.  O_O  That's a lot of stuff. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 07:01 +0200, Naga wrote:


> According to some devs on -dev (IRC) last night about 50 GiB if you want _all_ 
> distfiles.

hm, it has been a while since I last read the handbook.  There were a
small number of files to rsync back then :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Naga]

On Tuesday 22 May 2007 07:39:55 Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 07:01 +0200, Naga wrote:
> > According to some devs on -dev (IRC) last night about 50 GiB if you want
> > _all_ distfiles.

Found it :)

<A>>-How much space does a distfiles mirror need?
<B>>-58G
<B>>-well, that's what it needs actually, probably in the docs it has it 
specified
<C>>-i'll check that actual present usage for you, one sec
<C>>-distfiles/ right now is 44Gb going out
<C>>-historical distfiles since early 2005 is ~150Gb

(A,B,C == anon devs :))

> hm, it has been a while since I last read the handbook.  There were a
> small number of files to rsync back then :)

or it was refering to the use of http-replicator (local http-mirror for use as 
distfiles mirror on LAN)

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Tuesday 22 May 2007 08:30:44 Naga wrote:
> <B>>-well, that's what it needs actually, probably in the docs it has it
> specified

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/source_mirrors.xml

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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> Ok,  Here goes...
>
>
> How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a full copy of the
> portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the distfiles directory
> of the average server?

dunno, but huge.

>
> Would it be possible to draw down the whole archive all in one shot
> using wget or similar, dump it all into a directory on the hard drive,
> and direct portage there for the distribution files?

yes, choose a mirror. download the complete distfiles dir of that mirror. wget 
can do that.

>
> I know this would basically be equivelent to making a local mirror of
> the distrservers, and I would have to make sure that my portage tree
> matches up to the files actually on the hard drive. ^^  What other
> concerns would I need to look at at this point. :P

you will waste a lot of bandwidth and diskspace. The mirror might hate you for 
it. You will have lots and lots of packages like packageX.1.1, 
packageX.1.1.0, packageX.1.1.1....
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Re: [gentoo-user] A Theoretical install Question

[Dan Farrell]

On Tue, 22 May 2007 08:34:16 +0200
"Hemmann, Volker Armin" <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:

> On Dienstag, 22. Mai 2007, burlingk@cv63.navy.mil wrote:
> > Ok,  Here goes...
> >
> >
> > How large is the package archive for gentoo, assuming a full copy
> > of the portage tree, and all of the source tarballs in the
> > distfiles directory of the average server?
> 
Bigger than you want to download, that 's almost guaranteed.  
> >
> > I know this would basically be equivelent to making a local mirror
> > of the distrservers, and I would have to make sure that my portage
> > tree matches up to the files actually on the hard drive. ^^  What
> > other concerns would I need to look at at this point. :P
> 
> you will waste a lot of bandwidth and diskspace. The mirror might
> hate you for it. You will have lots and lots of packages like
> packageX.1.1, packageX.1.1.0, packageX.1.1.1....
Not to mention you will spend much longer waiting for everything to
download then you'd have to wait for everything do download on demand.
It would probably be more desirable for you to keep a network-shared
distfiles than mirror the servers.  Then there's the age-old 'static
hosts file' problem - just like the giant host file describing everyone
took longer to transfer than to become outdated back in the glorious
days of UNIX, it will also probably take longer to dowload all
distfiles ever than it will for those distfiles to become outdated.  In
conclusion, I think this is a rather silly idea. 
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