From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HZCf5-0004N2-DS for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:04:59 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l34L3WXd009834; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 21:03:32 GMT Received: from crowfix.com (crowfix.com [216.240.38.154]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34KvjS3001947 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:57:47 GMT Received: (qmail 26960 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Apr 2007 20:57:40 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 13:57:40 -0700 From: felix@crowfix.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorizedoutput?!? Message-ID: <20070404205740.GA26182@crowfix.com> References: <20070404155321.GA10689@crowfix.com> <200704042140.21829.harmgeerts@home.nl> <20070404195909.GA18762@crowfix.com> <200704042227.48244.harmgeerts@home.nl> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200704042227.48244.harmgeerts@home.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.14 (2007-02-12) X-Archives-Salt: b5a9c582-fbed-4057-812b-24151c6e9af9 X-Archives-Hash: b02f28b6ddc35d576641c988320907a4 On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 10:27:48PM +0200, Harm Geerts wrote: > Would you please show a little respect to the people who developed > the software you use every day. I have found that people are fine, it is groups of people who cause the problems in the world. The gentoo dev community has a reputation of releasing untested code, and when I mention a couple of severe cases that shouldn't have even gotten near the door, let alone out of it, I am told the ~ platform is testing. No it is not, or should not be; it is one thing to release new features which may or may not be finished, but entirely different to release untested code. Maybe getdelta is not from the core community; but did no one in the core community think it good to report their changes? When the first colors were added to emerge, did no one think hard coded magic constants were wrong? When devs think it good to colorize everybody's terminal without regard to long established UNIX custom of using just simple plain text, I am told that gentoo is not UNIX. Good grief, what an attitude! You personally probably don't deserve any criticism. But the gentoo dev community certainly does. That's the real world. Republicans lost the 2006 elections because they were tainted with the policies of their president and their party and because they preferred to stand by their man in a confused idea of loyalty to a person rather than to their principles. Democrats lost the 1994 elections ditto. No doubt there were otherwise decent Nazis and Communists who were horrified at what the party did but did not stand up when it might have made a difference. No doubt there have been decent people of all stripes who didn't personally deserve the criticism of whatever groups they joined. When the gentoo dev community stops spouting nonsense about gentoo is not unix, stops pointing fingers at third party software which was written to work with gentoo software, and stops blaming users for preferring white backgrounds, then they will have earned some respect. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@crowfix.com GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list