From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HZA7T-0006d3-K4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 18:22:08 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l34IJfR2021333; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:19:41 GMT Received: from smtpq3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl (smtpq3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl [213.51.146.202]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l34IB8Eb010117 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:11:09 GMT Received: from [213.51.146.189] (port=35221 helo=smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl) by smtpq3.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HZ9wq-0002Oy-G8 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:11:08 +0200 Received: from [217.120.150.193] (port=55426 helo=manuel.fawlty.mine.nu) by smtp2.tilbu1.nb.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1HZ9wg-0003aF-VW for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 20:10:58 +0200 From: Harm Geerts To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorizedoutput?!? Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 20:10:49 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 References: <20070404155321.GA10689@crowfix.com> <3D60AF2712C16D42A38076E52FD6E3D25E1B49@ukmcrdembx01.rd.astrazeneca.net> <20070404170743.GA13332@crowfix.com> In-Reply-To: <20070404170743.GA13332@crowfix.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200704042010.49412.harmgeerts@home.nl> X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Archives-Salt: b397b8ea-6a5b-4ce6-8c89-6ed371c148eb X-Archives-Hash: 8fa70b376a0b6b2df7125a4e50ce337b On Wednesday 04 April 2007, felix@crowfix.com wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 05:19:09PM +0100, Nelson, David J wrote: > > Do we want a UNIX standard? A linux standard? A Gentoo standard? A lowest > > common denominator standard? A "what most people prefer" standard? > > I am not talking about which colors to use, which is a personal > preference and can have no standard. I am talking about the most > basic principles, that all programs behave the same and can be enabled > or disabled in the same way. When gentoo unilaterally decides to do > the opposite, it sticks out like a sore thumb. The proper way to add > color to emerge and its affiliates would have been with an alias, as > it does with ls, not by adding hard coded escape chars to messages, > nor by defaulting to color enabled and adding untested non-functional > control features to disable it. The *proper* way is also a personal preference. I like it the way it is, you don't. But we've got to start somewhere. For the record, disabling color works fine on my systems. > > Insults rarely get you anywhere. Constructive feedback and discussion are > > generally better options FYI. > > Like I said. My experience has been that people who don't follow even > the most rudimentary principles, like testing features, following > standards, and reusing existing code rather than hard coding magic > numbers, simply do not listen to old farts who file bug reports. This > has been from years of experience with coworkers and with mailing > lists. > > My rant here has been to let off steam. I am not going to waste time > filing a bug report about magic numbers, standards, and testing new > features, when those are the things that should be taught in the first > weeks of any programming course and explained in the first chapters of > any programming book. I might as well explain 2+2=4 to someone > screwing up his calculus homework. Are we even talking about the same code? I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't work for you, so unless you plan to ditch emerge, ditch Gentoo, switch to Paludis or file a bugreport. You'll be looking at the pretty colors for a while. `which emerge` does actually yield `/usr/bin/emerge` does it? Anyway, please allow us to help or just stop posting. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list