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From: felix@crowfix.com
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 00:32:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070404073245.GA29113@crowfix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200704040736.53695.bo.andresen@zlin.dk>

On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 07:36:49AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote:

> Weren't you talking about portage? In that case you should obviously file it 
> against portage.. But yeah, any app that has a --nocolor equivalent that 
> doesn't work deserves a bug report.. Even for apps that don't it's reasonable 
> to file it as an enhancement request.

Oh for pete's sake, don't be so literal.  Esearch has screwed up.
Emerge has screwed up.  Revdep-rebuild has screwed up.  Stop reading
the leaves on the trees and paya ttention to the forest.  Your quibbly
attitude is exactly the petulant behavior which makes me not want to
waste my time filing bug reports on somebody's pet eye candy.

> First of all I believe most people (including myself) very much prefer colors 
> over no colors (no I cannot qualify with any numbers..). That does not, 
> however, mean that the pipe detection and --color switch etc. shouldn't be 
> honoured. It should (and it does here). Secondly, how did you come up with 
> the idea that a bug report would be dismissed if you never filed one?

The UNIX standard for ages has been simple text output.  Why must
gentoo add trendy colors which change every time some eye candy
fanatic gets a bug up his butt to change colors when he gets bored
with the old fashioned colors?  the default ought to be colors OFF and
you have to ask to get them.

I choose fonts small enough to get maximum density with minimum eye
strain.  The only way I could read these colors would be to increase
the font size and decrease the density.  If gentoo developers think
that a wise trade off when almost no other utility uses colors so much
and so horribly, then gentoo is broken by design and no amount of bug
reportage will change a damned thing.  Harmony is a nice design
feature.  You ought to try it sometime.

As long as I am ranting, I may as well throw in a few rants on the
amateur kids who run gentoo; those who think the world should be
thankful for their color choices are the same idiots who linked ls
against a /usr/lib library and made my system ubootable, who removed
libraries which LVM linked against during boot and made my system
unbootable.  Gentoo has good points, starting with portage, but it
also has innumerable insufferable knowitalls who make me gnash my
teeth at their inconsiderate unthinking fad-of-the-week behavior.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-04  7:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-04  4:17 [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!? felix
2007-04-04  4:29 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-04-04  5:13   ` felix
2007-04-04  5:36     ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-04-04  6:19       ` Graham Murray
2007-04-04  6:22         ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-04-05 17:07           ` Mick
2007-04-05 19:07             ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-05 19:14               ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-05 19:22                 ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-06 15:44               ` Mick
2007-04-06 18:34                 ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-07 17:26               ` Dan Farrell
2007-04-07 19:32                 ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-07 23:07                 ` [gentoo-user] sylpheed claws quotes colourisation (was: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!?) Renat Golubchyk
2007-04-08  1:39                   ` Dan Farrell
2007-04-08  8:36                 ` [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!? Neil Bothwick
2007-04-08 15:40                   ` Dan Farrell
2007-04-08 16:56                     ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-08 23:25                       ` David Relson
2007-04-09 13:44                         ` Dan Farrell
2007-04-06  5:48             ` W.Kenworthy
2007-04-06  6:14               ` Graham Murray
2007-04-06  8:19                 ` Neil Bothwick
     [not found]                 ` <200704061149.37793.benno.schulenberg@gmail.com>
2007-04-06 10:26                   ` Paul Colquhoun
2007-04-08 13:24                 ` [gentoo-user] " Alexander Skwar
2007-04-06 11:06             ` [gentoo-user] " Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-04-06 16:03               ` Mick
2007-04-04  7:32       ` felix [this message]
2007-04-04 10:15         ` Andrey Gerasimenko
2007-04-04 10:27           ` Alexis Lahouze
2007-04-04 11:51           ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-04-04 13:09             ` Daniel Iliev
2007-04-04 13:21               ` [gentoo-user] " Alexander Skwar
2007-04-04 14:29               ` [gentoo-user] " Neil Bothwick
2007-04-04 15:53                 ` felix
2007-04-04 16:19                   ` [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorizedoutput?!? Nelson, David J
2007-04-04 17:07                     ` felix
2007-04-04 18:10                       ` [gentoo-user] " Harm Geerts
2007-04-04 19:00                         ` felix
2007-04-04 19:04                           ` felix
2007-04-04 19:37                           ` Neil Walker
2007-04-04 19:41                         ` Neil Walker
2007-04-04 20:04                           ` Dan Cowsill
2007-04-04 20:28                             ` felix
2007-04-04 21:08                               ` Dan Cowsill
2007-04-05  6:47                       ` Alexander Skwar
2007-04-05  8:51                       ` [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love withcolorizedoutput?!? Nelson, David J
2007-04-04 17:27                   ` [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!? Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-04-04 18:24                   ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-04 21:31                     ` b.n.
2007-04-04 19:48                       ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-04 20:34                       ` Benno Schulenberg
2007-04-05  1:02                   ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2007-04-05  6:28                     ` [gentoo-user] " Alexander Skwar
     [not found]                   ` <200704042140.21829.harmgeerts@home.nl>
     [not found]                     ` <20070404195909.GA18762@crowfix.com>
2007-04-04 20:35                       ` [gentoo-user] Re: Why are gentoo people so in love with colorizedoutput?!? Bo Ørsted Andresen
     [not found]                       ` <200704042227.48244.harmgeerts@home.nl>
2007-04-04 20:57                         ` felix
2007-04-04 21:23                           ` Chris Scullard
2007-04-04 21:38                           ` Neil Walker
2007-04-05  6:55                           ` [gentoo-user] " Alexander Skwar
2007-04-05  7:09                           ` [gentoo-user] " Mark Kirkwood
2007-04-05 10:02                           ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2007-04-05 21:26                           ` b.n.
2007-04-05  6:51                       ` [gentoo-user] " Alexander Skwar
2007-04-04 11:37         ` [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!? Bo Ørsted Andresen
2007-04-04 14:33           ` felix
2007-04-04 15:50             ` Neil Walker
     [not found]               ` <20070404155552.GB10689@crowfix.com>
2007-04-05  7:11                 ` [gentoo-user] " Alexander Skwar
2007-04-16 19:13         ` [gentoo-user] " Bryan Whitehead
2007-04-04  4:33 ` Dale
2007-04-04  5:48   ` Roy Wright
2007-04-04  7:04     ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-04  9:56 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2007-04-04 14:26 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2007-04-04 16:00   ` felix
2007-04-04 16:44     ` Neil Walker
2007-04-04 17:56       ` Grant Edwards
2007-04-04 18:12         ` felix
2007-04-04 19:15         ` Neil Walker
     [not found]           ` <ev0tob$4nk$1@sea.gmane.org>
2007-04-04 19:29             ` felix
2007-04-05  6:58         ` Alexander Skwar
2007-04-05 14:24           ` Grant Edwards
2007-04-05 14:35             ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-05 14:45               ` Grant Edwards
2007-04-05 15:31                 ` Ryan Curtin
2007-04-05 15:39                 ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-05 17:48                   ` Grant Edwards
2007-04-05 18:28                     ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-05 19:52                       ` Grant Edwards
2007-04-05 20:33                         ` Christer Ekholm
2007-04-05 21:24                         ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-05 21:41                           ` Grant Edwards
2007-04-05 22:28                             ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-05 22:29                       ` b.n.
2007-04-05 16:14                 ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-05 17:51                   ` Grant Edwards
2007-04-05 18:26                     ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-05 18:36                       ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-06 16:18                         ` Mick
2007-04-06 18:36                           ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-05 18:33                     ` Francesco Talamona
2007-04-05 18:47                       ` Tony Stohne
2007-04-05 14:58             ` Grant Edwards
2007-04-07 18:08             ` Dan Farrell
2007-04-07 18:30               ` Mike Markowski
2007-04-07 20:52               ` Grant Edwards
2007-04-08  8:39               ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-08 18:49                 ` Mike Edenfield
2007-04-09 13:47                   ` [gentoo-user] [OT] " Dan Farrell
2007-04-04 17:55     ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Edwards
2007-04-04 18:15       ` Neil Bothwick
2007-04-04 21:36     ` b.n.
2007-04-06 16:28       ` Mick
2007-04-04 16:20 ` [gentoo-user] " Rob Rutherford
2007-04-04 16:30 ` Jan Seeger
2007-04-05  6:38 ` Bertram Scharpf
     [not found] ` <20070405144024.GA13528@crowfix.com>
2007-04-05 15:00   ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2007-04-05 16:42     ` [gentoo-user] " »Q«
2007-06-10 13:38 ` FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] " Robert Welz
2007-06-10 20:06   ` Karl Haines
2007-06-10 21:29     ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2007-06-10 22:07       ` Kevin O'Gorman
2007-06-10 22:23         ` Daniel Pielmeier
2007-06-10 22:32         ` [gentoo-user] Re: FeatureRequest Was: " Grant Edwards
2007-06-10 23:02           ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2007-06-10 23:22             ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2007-06-11  2:02               ` Dan Farrell
2007-06-10 23:24         ` FeatureRequest Was: Re: [gentoo-user] " Graham Murray
2007-06-11  3:40         ` Karl Haines
2007-06-11 10:02     ` Bertram Scharpf
2007-06-11 10:02       ` Bertram Scharpf
2007-06-11  7:53   ` [gentoo-user] Re: FeatureRequest Was: " Alexander Skwar
2007-06-19 11:40     ` Robert Welz

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