From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HYxt8-00035j-36 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:18:30 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l345HI7x025237; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 05:17:18 GMT Received: from crowfix.com (crowfix.com [216.240.38.154]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l345D9Ll020599 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2007 05:13:12 GMT Received: (qmail 19203 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Apr 2007 05:13:06 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 22:13:06 -0700 From: felix@crowfix.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Why are gentoo people so in love with colorized output?!? Message-ID: <20070404051306.GA18520@crowfix.com> References: <20070404041739.GA15293@crowfix.com> <200704040629.50315.bo.andresen@zlin.dk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200704040629.50315.bo.andresen@zlin.dk> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.14 (2007-02-12) X-Archives-Salt: 01796787-2ef7-427c-8a00-0ed12fad215d X-Archives-Hash: 9ad0cc245dc0749c12bf0f1f62af5aa1 On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 06:29:45AM +0200, Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote: > On Wednesday 04 April 2007 06:17:39 felix@crowfix.com wrote: > > Why do --nocolor and --color=n not work (sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.3)? > [SNIP] > > I am so tired of this crap. Even editing /usr/bin/emerge to always > > set output.havecolor to 0 doesn't disable color. I have to copy and > > paste into an editor just to read the error messages. > > Easier to just pipe the output into less. Doesn't always work. Whatever generates the color ignores TERM and --nocolor and color=n, and doesn't always pay attention to where the output is going either. > > > It has always been so; most portage commands simply aassume I want all sorts > > of colorized messages on my screen. > > And it never occurred to you to just file a bug at bugs.gentoo.org? How are > devs supposed to fix your bug if you don't report it? (that's rhetorical). Certainly has, but the colorization decision has moved around enough that I figure it was a moving target. What would I file it against, every python utility that screws it up? I figured it was easier to just edit color out of the damned programs after each update. Sometimes I don't need to, sometimes I do. Besides, the colorization is so blatantly awful as to obviously be someone's pet little eye candy contribution; any bug report is very likely to be dismissed as just some geriatric fossile who fondly remembers teletypes. This current outburst was a result of my dismay at finding the colorization institutionalized in the output package, which a quick grep didn't find, and editing havecolor = 0 all over didn't fix it either. Maybe, if it is now centralized, a bug report might actually do some good. But based on past performance, it will no doubt shift around to some other package in a few weeks, so I will wait and see. -- ... _._. ._ ._. . _._. ._. ___ .__ ._. . .__. ._ .. ._. Felix Finch: scarecrow repairman & rocket surgeon / felix@crowfix.com GPG = E987 4493 C860 246C 3B1E 6477 7838 76E9 182E 8151 ITAR license #4933 I've found a solution to Fermat's Last Theorem but I see I've run out of room o -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list