From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-60626-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1HLwOw-0002qh-EB for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:05:30 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l1R74DcI003123; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 07:04:13 GMT Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.185]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1R6xg5k029938 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:59:42 GMT Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so146897nfb for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:59:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=pibVbk5P6koMaJLgo7gH3m3fKLC+dJE+SbNgf76xSlZQCgTEW32qsOHzzz4AQWZt0tUYxECM+5b44Q8Oi6sAUQy6Jy2ey8KaA0VCTkcvpI9TGLdk1CHPFrjmkEdKKOKCrLWIO8QWXgu6JGlJNVE8kcURkkDZyeIA7sZbwLJNbQg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=IQ4875q90imhTy/jCswD+3Pym+LHRNavXY36rzTcZumCrFQkHKFVXRE2rqL3KpZJYZMmkmpALjLmWjGTbxzUyOODeGU4dYt7bEsidwr0O1HVU2ImZYD2tNhmwNQzjb00wUfcDnfhcyE1NXZgrWgxv+fXYg48zUoUX3vRI9N6dLg= Received: by 10.49.29.3 with SMTP id g3mr452549nfj.1172559580682; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:59:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lappy.study ( [213.162.120.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y23sm827384nfb.2007.02.26.22.59.39; Mon, 26 Feb 2007 22:59:40 -0800 (PST) From: Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] What if the firewall doesn't start? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 06:59:22 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <49bf44f10702251158n2ab9c587y9563d6ad4fa3a4b3@mail.gmail.com> <200702262129.52581.alan@linuxholdings.co.za> <49bf44f10702261921k76a9f2f6pbb36585bcd73f61b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <49bf44f10702261921k76a9f2f6pbb36585bcd73f61b@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart14307088.li9u49q2FK"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200702270659.24634.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: b906bab4-fe2e-474a-b7b1-15c7ad88994d X-Archives-Hash: 2e09df8308ef758e4cd4ef745605590e --nextPart14307088.li9u49q2FK Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 27 February 2007 03:21, Grant wrote: > > > > Anyway, a closed port remains closed whether a firewall is running, > > > > or not. > > > > > > I thought the firewall specified which ports to open/close. > > > > Not quite, but we might be running into terminology here. > > > > The app that is listening a port opens the port. This has nothing to do > > with the firewall. The firewall is simply an extra level of checks > > applied before the packet is allowed thorugh the firewall to be > > received by the kernel, in the same way that a bouncer allows or > > disallows the public to enter a club. If the bouncer is off sick, the > > public gets to walk through the door up to reception, assuming the club > > is open for business. > > > > What Mick was referring to is that if a service is running, it's still > > going to listen on it's port whether iptables is running or not. So, in > > the absense of iptables (i.e. your bouncer is off sick), you hopefully > > have a decent password strategy in use by whatever is actually > > listening on the box. > > So as far as incoming connections are concerned, if there are no > listening applications, there is no need for a firewall? As I understand it, no. However, a firewall is there to offer additional=20 functionality and protection by logging packets, filtering the amount of=20 incoming packets, proactively blocking some of these from coming in, etc. After all you would be less inclined to allow a machine which has been=20 scanning your server ports for the last 10 minutes to try to authenticate o= n=20 a legitimate service port, right? http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/dynamic-iptables-firewalls.xml =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart14307088.li9u49q2FK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBF49bM5Fp0QerLYPcRAs3ZAKCRfWIz6kz5PJoBbyV73b6JYwsbDACgysvv PsKkB+Wmu196KsgWqSKMNao= =qglM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart14307088.li9u49q2FK-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list