From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HHPKy-0006Mz-Co for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:58:40 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l1EIv7UI032441; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:57:07 GMT Received: from gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de (gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de [134.76.163.126]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1EIqURE027259 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 18:52:30 GMT Received: by gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix, from userid 8) id 86B4E108FED; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:52:30 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dslb-082-083-042-209.pools.arcor-ip.net [82.83.42.209]) by gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67E7108FD3 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:52:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:52:28 +0100 From: Hans-Werner Hilse To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 100% CPU usage with no processes to blame? Message-Id: <20070214195228.c2d2a91f.hilse@web.de> In-Reply-To: <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D2A9876@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local> References: <200702141914.27052.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <17CD9CE4C0FA574A8B29EF02D49B385D2A9876@srvexch-01.mcaschool.local> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.3.1 (GTK+ 2.10.7; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Details: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de X-Archives-Salt: 895c9184-52dc-4749-bee3-1ed2c96c424d X-Archives-Hash: c7e5ae8a920df3e8f8e2011b02874201 Hi, On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 13:31:31 -0500 "Timothy A. Holmes" wrote: > If I cannot trust the tools provided by the OS for finding out whats > going on-- than what can I trust -- this is intolerable! - if it is > simply a situation if a non root user not being able to see root > processes that is one thing, BUT if it really is a situation of the > tools not giving accurate asessments, that is a whole other situation, > and one that just cannot be allowed to continue (not that I can do much > other than scream about it, cuz im not a programmer) It's mainly not a matter of trust, it's a matter of definitions not meeting expectations. From an objective POV, the measures shown are "correct". They are just defined as a more or less complex computation which isn't exactly what is expected subjectively. People tend to ignore the definitions and imagine the meaning from the shortened name of the shown value. Regarding trusting the OS: Those tools don't come with the kernel. This is Linux, not the BSDs. -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list