[gentoo-user] thunar won't build?

[gentoo-user] thunar won't build?

[Grant Edwards]

What am I doing wrong?

   # emerge thunar
   Calculating dependencies... done!
   
   >>> Emerging (1 of 1) xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r2 to /
    * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2 MD5 ;-) ...                                                                       [ ok ]
    * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2 RMD160 ;-) ...                                                                    [ ok ]
    * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2 SHA1 ;-) ...                                                                      [ ok ]
    * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2 SHA256 ;-) ...                                                                    [ ok ]
    * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2 size ;-) ...                                                                      [ ok ]
    * checking ebuild checksums ;-) ...                                                                      [ ok ]
    * checking auxfile checksums ;-) ...                                                                     [ ok ]
    * checking miscfile checksums ;-) ...                                                                    [ ok ]
    * checking Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2 ;-) ...                                                                  [ ok ]
   >>> Unpacking source...
   >>> Unpacking Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2 to /home/tmp/portage/xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r2/work
    * Applying thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch ...
   
    * Failed Patch: thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch !
    *  ( /usr/portage/xfce-base/thunar/files/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch )
    * 
    * Include in your bugreport the contents of:
    * 
    *   /home/tmp/portage/xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r2/temp/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch-30744.out
   
   
   !!! ERROR: xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r2 failed.
   Call stack:
     ebuild.sh, line 1614:   Called dyn_unpack
     ebuild.sh, line 751:   Called qa_call 'src_unpack'
     environment, line 3119:   Called src_unpack
     thunar-0.8.0-r2.ebuild, line 68:   Called epatch '/usr/portage/xfce-base/thunar/files/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch'
     eutils.eclass, line 341:   Called die
   
   !!! Failed Patch: thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch!
   !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant.
   !!! A complete build log is located at '/home/tmp/portage/xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r2/temp/build.log'.

Here's what's in /home/tmp/portage/xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r2/temp/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch-30744.out:

   ***** thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch *****
   
   ===================================
   
   PATCH COMMAND:	 patch -p0 -g0 -E --no-backup-if-mismatch < /usr/portage/xfce-base/thunar/files/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch
   
   ===================================
   can't find file to patch at input line 4
   Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
   The text leading up to this was:
   --------------------------
   |diff -ur Thunar-0.8.0.orig/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c Thunar-0.8.0/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c
   |--- Thunar-0.8.0.orig/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c	2007-01-20 22:39:09.000000000 +0200
   |+++ Thunar-0.8.0/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c	2007-02-12 20:16:29.000000000 +0200
   --------------------------
   No file to patch.  Skipping patch.
   9 out of 9 hunks ignored
   ===================================
   
   PATCH COMMAND:	 patch -p1 -g0 -E --no-backup-if-mismatch < /usr/portage/xfce-base/thunar/files/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch
   
   ===================================
   patching file thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c
   Hunk #1 FAILED at 1.
   1 out of 9 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c.rej
   ===================================
   
   PATCH COMMAND:	 patch -p2 -g0 -E --no-backup-if-mismatch < /usr/portage/xfce-base/thunar/files/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch
   
   ===================================
   can't find file to patch at input line 4
   Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
   The text leading up to this was:
   --------------------------
   |diff -ur Thunar-0.8.0.orig/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c Thunar-0.8.0/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c
   |--- Thunar-0.8.0.orig/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c	2007-01-20 22:39:09.000000000 +0200
   |+++ Thunar-0.8.0/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c	2007-02-12 20:16:29.000000000 +0200
   --------------------------
   No file to patch.  Skipping patch.
   9 out of 9 hunks ignored
   ===================================
   
   PATCH COMMAND:	 patch -p3 -g0 -E --no-backup-if-mismatch < /usr/portage/xfce-base/thunar/files/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch
   
   ===================================
   missing header for unified diff at line 4 of patch
   can't find file to patch at input line 4
   Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
   The text leading up to this was:
   --------------------------
   |diff -ur Thunar-0.8.0.orig/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c Thunar-0.8.0/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c
   |--- Thunar-0.8.0.orig/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c	2007-01-20 22:39:09.000000000 +0200
   |+++ Thunar-0.8.0/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c	2007-02-12 20:16:29.000000000 +0200
   --------------------------
   No file to patch.  Skipping patch.
   9 out of 9 hunks ignored
   ===================================

   PATCH COMMAND:	 patch -p4 -g0 -E --no-backup-if-mismatch < /usr/portage/xfce-base/thunar/files/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch
   
   ===================================
   missing header for unified diff at line 4 of patch
   can't find file to patch at input line 4
   Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option?
   The text leading up to this was:
   --------------------------
   |diff -ur Thunar-0.8.0.orig/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c Thunar-0.8.0/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c
   |--- Thunar-0.8.0.orig/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c	2007-01-20 22:39:09.000000000 +0200
   |+++ Thunar-0.8.0/thunar-vfs/thunar-vfs-thumb-jpeg.c	2007-02-12 20:16:29.000000000 +0200
   --------------------------
   No file to patch.  Skipping patch.
   9 out of 9 hunks ignored


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Re: [gentoo-user] thunar won't build?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> What am I doing wrong?

Not searching bugs.gentoo.org before posting here

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166573


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[gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-02-13, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
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> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Not searching bugs.gentoo.org before posting here

I did, smartass.  Unfortantely, the gentoo bug database search
facility completely sucks:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=thunar

> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166573

How in hell are you supposed to find bugs for thunar when the
don't show up when you search on "thunar"?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Naga]

On Tuesday 13 February 2007 17.30.54 Grant Edwards wrote:
> How in hell are you supposed to find bugs for thunar when the
> don't show up when you search on "thunar"?

Include closed bugs in the result...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Tuesday 13 February 2007 17:30:54 Grant Edwards wrote:
> >> What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > Not searching bugs.gentoo.org before posting here
>
> I did, smartass.  Unfortantely, the gentoo bug database search
> facility completely sucks:

How are we supposed to know that you searched when you don't tell us?

> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=thunar
>
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166573
>
> How in hell are you supposed to find bugs for thunar when the
> don't show up when you search on "thunar"?

Because you only included open bugs in your search. You needed to include 
fixed bugs too..

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Rasmus Andersen]

On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 04:30:54PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=thunar
> 
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166573
> 
> How in hell are you supposed to find bugs for thunar when the
> don't show up when you search on "thunar"?

If you include 'ALL', the bug is shown:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+thunar

Cheers,
  Rasmus
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[gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-02-13, Rasmus Andersen <rasmus@jaquet.dk> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 04:30:54PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=thunar
>> 
>> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166573
>> 
>> How in hell are you supposed to find bugs for thunar when the
>> don't show up when you search on "thunar"?
>
> If you include 'ALL', the bug is shown:
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+thunar

Thank you!  That's what I've been missing. How is one supposed
to know that?  There's absolutely no clue on the main page nor
on the results page that it's only searching for _open_ bugs:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/
http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=thunar

If you click on [Help] and look about 2/3 of the way down the
page it does say that by default it only searches for open
bugs.  But you can't expect people to click on help unless you
give them some indication that what they've done wasn't right.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Dale]

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Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2007-02-13, Rasmus Andersen <rasmus@jaquet.dk> wrote:
>   
>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 04:30:54PM +0000, Grant Edwards wrote:
>>     
>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=thunar
>>>
>>>       
>>>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166573
>>>>         
>>> How in hell are you supposed to find bugs for thunar when the
>>> don't show up when you search on "thunar"?
>>>       
>> If you include 'ALL', the bug is shown:
>>
>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=ALL+thunar
>>     
>
> Thank you!  That's what I've been missing. How is one supposed
> to know that?  There's absolutely no clue on the main page nor
> on the results page that it's only searching for _open_ bugs:
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=thunar
>
> If you click on [Help] and look about 2/3 of the way down the
> page it does say that by default it only searches for open
> bugs.  But you can't expect people to click on help unless you
> give them some indication that what they've done wasn't right.
>
>   

So that's why I can't ever find anything either.  < Dale makes a note of
this >  That is sort of silly.  It should include all by default.  I
would have never noticed that.

< sigh >

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:30:54 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> > Not searching bugs.gentoo.org before posting here  
> 
> I did, smartass.

That would have been useful information to include in your original post.
As you did search and not find one, why didn't you post a bug yourself

> Unfortantely, the gentoo bug database search
> facility completely sucks:
> 
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=thunar
> 
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166573  
> 
> How in hell are you supposed to find bugs for thunar when the
> don't show up when you search on "thunar"?

Because you didn't search for closed bugs. The problem had not only been
found and reported, it had been fixed. In this situation, closed bugs are
more important than open ones - would you rather read a fix or a list of
other people with the same problem and no solution.


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[gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-02-13, Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:
> On 2007-02-13, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
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>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
>>
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> Not searching bugs.gentoo.org before posting here
>
> I did, smartass.  Unfortantely, the gentoo bug database search
> facility completely sucks:
>
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=thunar
>
>> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166573
>
> How in hell are you supposed to find bugs for thunar when the
> don't show up when you search on "thunar"?

I'd like to apologize for the attitude in this posting.  I've
been using Gentoo for over a year and I've always been
extremely frustrated with the Gentoo bug search facility. I
never realized that the search on the main bugs.gentoo.org page
only searched for open bugs.  I guess everybody else was just
born knowing that and I missed out on the Gentoo bug search
gene somehow.

For those of us thusly disabled, I think it would be a very
good idea to actually state that default search is only for
open bugs on the search page at ttp://bugs.gentoo.org/ _and_
display on the results page what the search criteria were.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 13 February 2007, Grant Edwards wrote:
> I'd like to apologize for the attitude in this posting.  I've
> been using Gentoo for over a year and I've always been
> extremely frustrated with the Gentoo bug search facility. I
> never realized that the search on the main bugs.gentoo.org page
> only searched for open bugs.  I guess everybody else was just
> born knowing that and I missed out on the Gentoo bug search
> gene somehow.

So thaaaaaaaaat's why I also keep getting such sparse search results 
when I go looking for stuff on bgo. Hmmmmmm........

We have two explanations:

1. Grant and Alan are both as thick as two short planks
2. bgo's ui is non-intuitive

Until 2 minutes ago I would have sworn #1 was the answer


alan


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Uwe Thiem]

On 13 February 2007 19:33, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 February 2007, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > I'd like to apologize for the attitude in this posting.  I've
> > been using Gentoo for over a year and I've always been
> > extremely frustrated with the Gentoo bug search facility. I
> > never realized that the search on the main bugs.gentoo.org page
> > only searched for open bugs.  I guess everybody else was just
> > born knowing that and I missed out on the Gentoo bug search
> > gene somehow.
>
> So thaaaaaaaaat's why I also keep getting such sparse search results
> when I go looking for stuff on bgo. Hmmmmmm........
>
> We have two explanations:
>
> 1. Grant and Alan are both as thick as two short planks

The meme (*not* gene) of having to select something different than the default 
for getting a complete report has been around for quite some time. 
Unfortunately, there hadn't been any evolutionary selection for it until very 
recently. Thus it hadn't time to spread to southern Africa despite modern 
communication technology. Actually, it hasn't even penetrated the US fully as 
Grant stands as an example.

> 2. bgo's ui is non-intuitive

An intuitive UI is an oxymoron. There are good UIs and bad ones. UIs that 
default to reasonable options and ones that don't. Consistent ones and 
others. UIs that take user experiences into account and those that don't. UIs 
that try to take the user's POV seriously and those that insist that the 
programmers POV is all there is. That said, I have never ever seen any 
intuitive UI. ;-)

Uwe
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[gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-02-13, Alan McKinnon <alan@linuxholdings.co.za> wrote:
> On Tuesday 13 February 2007, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> I'd like to apologize for the attitude in this posting.  I've
>> been using Gentoo for over a year and I've always been
>> extremely frustrated with the Gentoo bug search facility. I
>> never realized that the search on the main bugs.gentoo.org page
>> only searched for open bugs.  I guess everybody else was just
>> born knowing that and I missed out on the Gentoo bug search
>> gene somehow.
>
> So thaaaaaaaaat's why I also keep getting such sparse search results 
> when I go looking for stuff on bgo. Hmmmmmm........
>
> We have two explanations:
>
> 1. Grant and Alan are both as thick as two short planks
> 2. bgo's ui is non-intuitive
>
> Until 2 minutes ago I would have sworn #1 was the answer

Me too -- and nothing makes one more irritable than feeling
thick as a plank.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:22:46 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> For those of us thusly disabled, I think it would be a very
> good idea to actually state that default search is only for
> open bugs on the search page at ttp://bugs.gentoo.org/ _and_
> display on the results page what the search criteria were.

File a bug ;-)


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[gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-02-13, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

>> For those of us thusly disabled, I think it would be a very
>> good idea to actually state that default search is only for
>> open bugs on the search page at ttp://bugs.gentoo.org/ _and_
>> display on the results page what the search criteria were.
>
>File a bug ;-)

Actually I gave up on filing bugs about 6 months ago.
Everytime I've filed a bug in the past, I've gotten flamed
because it's a duplicate of something that's already closed.

Seriously.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:59:50 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:

> Actually I gave up on filing bugs about 6 months ago.
> Everytime I've filed a bug in the past, I've gotten flamed
> because it's a duplicate of something that's already closed.

That won't happen so much now that you know about the ALL option.

Duplicate bugs are inevitable, as are bugs being marked as duplicates
when they are not. Argue your corner if you are sure your bug is
different.


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[gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-02-13, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

>> Actually I gave up on filing bugs about 6 months ago.
>> Everytime I've filed a bug in the past, I've gotten flamed
>> because it's a duplicate of something that's already closed.
>
>That won't happen so much now that you know about the ALL option.

I hope so.  In the past I was always baffled when my searches
didn't find anything relevent but all the bugs I reported were
duplicates.  [Actually, I think there was one what wasn't, but
the experience was enough to make me swear off reporting bugs.]

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[b.n.]

> I hope so.  In the past I was always baffled when my searches
> didn't find anything relevent but all the bugs I reported were
> duplicates.  [Actually, I think there was one what wasn't, but
> the experience was enough to make me swear off reporting bugs.]

I think there is nothing bad in this. At least you know:
- the bug you are reporting is already known
- some dev has seen it repeteadly, and repetitia iuvant*

*"Repeating helps", for the non-Latin speakers :)

Please don't give up reporting bugs. It is always important. The open
bug reporting and solving process is one of the main goodies that makes
OSS so marvellously different from proprietary software.

m.

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[gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-02-15, b.n. <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I hope so.  In the past I was always baffled when my searches
>> didn't find anything relevent but all the bugs I reported were
>> duplicates.  [Actually, I think there was one what wasn't, but
>> the experience was enough to make me swear off reporting bugs.]
>
> I think there is nothing bad in this. At least you know:
> - the bug you are reporting is already known
> - some dev has seen it repeteadly, and repetitia iuvant*
>
> *"Repeating helps", for the non-Latin speakers :)

Except that it generates extra work for maintainers who have to
mark the reported bug as a duplicate.  If you've tripped over a
bug that's already been reported, perhaps adding a comment
(including how you triggered the bug) to an existing bug is
probably more productive.

> Please don't give up reporting bugs. It is always important.
> The open bug reporting and solving process is one of the main
> goodies that makes OSS so marvellously different from
> proprietary software.

OK, I'll start again.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[b.n.]

Grant Edwards ha scritto:
> On 2007-02-15, b.n. <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>> I hope so.  In the past I was always baffled when my searches
>>> didn't find anything relevent but all the bugs I reported were
>>> duplicates.  [Actually, I think there was one what wasn't, but
>>> the experience was enough to make me swear off reporting bugs.]
>> I think there is nothing bad in this. At least you know:
>> - the bug you are reporting is already known
>> - some dev has seen it repeteadly, and repetitia iuvant*
>>
>> *"Repeating helps", for the non-Latin speakers :)
> 
> Except that it generates extra work for maintainers who have to
> mark the reported bug as a duplicate.  If you've tripped over a
> bug that's already been reported, perhaps adding a comment
> (including how you triggered the bug) to an existing bug is
> probably more productive.

Sure, but if you weren't aware of the previous bug, a duplicate is
better than nothing, perhaps.

> OK, I'll start again.

Sincere thanks.

m.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 15 February 2007, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > I think there is nothing bad in this. At least you know:
> > - the bug you are reporting is already known
> > - some dev has seen it repeteadly, and repetitia iuvant*
> >
> > *"Repeating helps", for the non-Latin speakers :)
>
> Except that it generates extra work for maintainers who have to
> mark the reported bug as a duplicate.  If you've tripped over a
> bug that's already been reported, perhaps adding a comment
> (including how you triggered the bug) to an existing bug is
> probably more productive.

There's an upside as well though. If many people keep reporting the same 
bug in different ways, it tells themaintainer that the bug is higher 
priority. If a bug is reported only once, and everyone else that runs 
into it sees this bug report, and doesn't report their experience, then 
the maintainer doesn't know about these users. So he/she might consider 
the bug to be less important, and that would be wrong.

Good maintainers consider users to be like customers and sometimes they 
do get annoyed with many dup bugs. But usually they want reports and 
it's no big deal or effort actually to mark a bug as a dup.

alan



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Friday 16 February 2007 09:37:00 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> There's an upside as well though. If many people keep reporting the same
> bug in different ways, it tells themaintainer that the bug is higher
> priority. If a bug is reported only once, and everyone else that runs
> into it sees this bug report, and doesn't report their experience, then
> the maintainer doesn't know about these users. So he/she might consider
> the bug to be less important, and that would be wrong.

I strongly disagree with this (or at least how this sounds to me). Dupes are a 
necessary evil because we can't all be perfect at searching bugzilla but 
considering them to be good just doesn't make sense in my head.

Everytime the subject of making it possible to vote on bugs has come up the 
counter argument has been that the list of CC'ed people already serves that 
role just as well but without giving the false impression that enough votes 
will get it fixed.

If you want to make it known that you care about any given bug just CC 
yourself on the bug. I want to make it very clear that purposefully filing 
dupes to draw attention to an annoying bug is *only* wasting bug wranglers 
(yep, not the maintainers (and yep, that means jakubs) ;) time just like 
producing "I confirm this is a bug" comments as the 10th user after it's been 
acknowledged is only useless bugspam... (I'm sure you didn't mean to do that 
either but still..).

What will get any given bug fixed is for someone (who doesn't have to be dev) 
to sit down and figure out a solution (and attach it on the bug)... An 
unlimited number of users saying it's a problem doesn't help at all if 
there's still noone able to fix it..

> Good maintainers consider users to be like customers and sometimes they
> do get annoyed with many dup bugs.

Can't really agree with this. They aren't paid so most of the best devs do it 
solely for their own sake (and because they find it interesting). Also good 
maintainers fix bugs even if only one user experience it if it's a bug and 
they are able to fix it. Quality > quantity.

> But usually they want reports and it's no big deal or effort actually to
> mark a bug as a dup. 

With the above in mind I guess I can agree on this. If you are unable to find 
a bug you're experiencing then you'll have to file one to get it fixed (even 
at the risk of missing it and hence filing a dupe). We all want bugs fixed...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 16 February 2007, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Friday 16 February 2007 09:37:00 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > There's an upside as well though. If many people keep reporting the
> > same bug in different ways, it tells themaintainer that the bug is
> > higher priority. If a bug is reported only once, and everyone else
> > that runs into it sees this bug report, and doesn't report their
> > experience, then the maintainer doesn't know about these users. So
> > he/she might consider the bug to be less important, and that would
> > be wrong.
>
> I strongly disagree with this (or at least how this sounds to me).
> Dupes are a necessary evil because we can't all be perfect at
> searching bugzilla but considering them to be good just doesn't make
> sense in my head.

Perhaps I should elaborate a little, my first post didn't make the 
entire thing clear.

I'm not saying dupes are good, I'm saying that dupes are a fact of life 
and users enter them. They are annoying to be sure, but we can make a 
choice:

a. discard them out of hand and get all upset, or
b. note them, be aware that more than one user ran into the bug, see if 
there's useful info in the dupe report, mark it as a dupe and get back 
to work.

These take up about the same amount of time and a) is completely 
negative while b) first extracts any information that is to be had. 
Personally, I prefer b) as it's a nicer attitude.

> Everytime the subject of making it possible to vote on bugs has come
> up the counter argument has been that the list of CC'ed people
> already serves that role just as well but without giving the false
> impression that enough votes will get it fixed.
>
> If you want to make it known that you care about any given bug just
> CC yourself on the bug. I want to make it very clear that
> purposefully filing dupes to draw attention to an annoying bug is
> *only* wasting bug wranglers (yep, not the maintainers (and yep, that
> means jakubs) ;) time just like producing "I confirm this is a bug"
> comments as the 10th user after it's been acknowledged is only
> useless bugspam... (I'm sure you didn't mean to do that either but
> still..).

The first "Me too!" probably happened when the second user switched on 
the first computer and spoke to the first user. They happen, and when 
users out there in the wild go to bgo and find a bug report relevant to 
them, they are gonna find a way to enter a Me Too!

Why? Because they went to bgo to find information, found it, and now 
they want to communicate. The user doesn't have a clue what's going on 
around the dev or any other user, he only sees his own bug and sees 
that there are nice people at gentoo.org who will help him out, and 
that there are other people just like him. And he will communicate 
that. It's all perfectly natural and quite unstoppable.

If this causes the devs to be buried alive under sheer quantities of  
data, then it's time to change the process, without making it 
impossible for users to communicate that they too ran into a certain 
bug

> What will get any given bug fixed is for someone (who doesn't have to
> be dev) to sit down and figure out a solution (and attach it on the
> bug)... An unlimited number of users saying it's a problem doesn't
> help at all if there's still noone able to fix it..

Very true

> > Good maintainers consider users to be like customers and sometimes
> > they do get annoyed with many dup bugs.
>
> Can't really agree with this. They aren't paid so most of the best
> devs do it solely for their own sake (and because they find it
> interesting). Also good maintainers fix bugs even if only one user
> experience it if it's a bug and they are able to fix it. Quality >
> quantity.

The comparison is that customers are important and worth listening to.

One amazing thing about www.gentoo.org is that over and over again I see 
statements like "we should do X because the users want it" or "Y is 
causing problems for users". I can't ever remember seeing a dev say 
things like "We should do Z because I want Z".

That's really cool, I take it to mean that the dude maintaining an arb 
ebuild does it partly to help make *my* life easier, and he thinks I am 
important to him - just like paying customers are important to 
businesses

alan


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: thunar won't build?

[Benno Schulenberg]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 17:22:46 +0000 (UTC), Grant Edwards wrote:
> > For those of us thusly disabled, I think it would be a very
> > good idea to actually state that default search is only for
> > open bugs on the search page at ttp://bugs.gentoo.org/ _and_
> > display on the results page what the search criteria were.
>
> File a bug ;-)

Done:  https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=166725

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Re: [gentoo-user] thunar won't build?

[Rumen Yotov]

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:35:27 +0000 (UTC)
Grant Edwards <grante@visi.com> wrote:

> What am I doing wrong?
> 
>    # emerge thunar
>    Calculating dependencies... done!
>    
>    >>> Emerging (1 of 1) xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r2 to /
>     * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2
> MD5 ;-) ...
> [ ok ]
>     * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2
> RMD160 ;-) ...
> [ ok ]
>     * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2
> SHA1 ;-) ...
> [ ok ]
>     * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2
> SHA256 ;-) ...
> [ ok ]
>     * Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2
> size ;-) ...
> [ ok ]
>     * checking ebuild
> checksums ;-) ...
> [ ok ]
>     * checking auxfile
> checksums ;-) ...
> [ ok ]
>     * checking miscfile
> checksums ;-) ...
> [ ok ]
>     * checking
> Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2 ;-) ...
> [ ok ]
>    >>> Unpacking source...
>    >>> Unpacking Thunar-0.8.0.tar.bz2
>    >>> to /home/tmp/portage/xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r2/work
>     * Applying thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch ...
>    
>     * Failed Patch: thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch !
>     *  ( /usr/portage/xfce-base/thunar/files/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch )
>     * 
>     * Include in your bugreport the contents of:
>     * 
>     *   /home/tmp/portage/xfce-base/thunar-0.8.0-r2/temp/thunar-0.8.0-jpeg.patch-30744.out
...SKIP...
Hi,
Probably after an 'sync' your portage-tree is broken (ongoing
mirror rsync).
Try "emerge --sync" again after some time end remerge thunar.
Could also check/search Bugzilla.
HTH. Rumen
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