From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HFb9C-0001SQ-94 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2007 19:11:02 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l19J9dMZ007132; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:09:39 GMT Received: from gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de (gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de [134.76.163.126]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l19J5ShC002385 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:05:29 GMT Received: by gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix, from userid 8) id B2982D6879; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:05:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dslb-082-083-059-202.pools.arcor-ip.net [82.83.59.202]) by gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEAC5D61E3 for ; Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:05:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:05:23 +0100 From: Hans-Werner Hilse To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Putting gentoo to work :) Message-Id: <20070209200523.32e66e98.hilse@web.de> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.3.1 (GTK+ 2.10.7; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Details: No, hits=1.7 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de X-Archives-Salt: f06cd41b-20a7-4536-bd84-6ec64c5be063 X-Archives-Hash: 4ddcb3b8f61cd022c42c6b8a4cd8f803 Hi, On Fri, 9 Feb 2007 19:43:16 +0200 "Alexandru Mincu" wrote: > My setup will look like this: > big server with 2 or 3 gigabit ethernet cards and lots of sata drives in a > big raid array. > disk less workstations with 512mb or 1gb of ram, nvidia or integrated video > and a gigabit ethernet card. > and of course a gigabit ethernet switch. Hm. Are those "diskless" workstations supposed to be thin clients (i.e. just displays for applications running on the big iron)? Probably not, I guess. So your "big iron" will probably be a file server. For serious productive work either virtualize the web-, mail- and calender servers or even better make them separate machines. It's easier to maintain the pieces when each of them has its own environment. You'll also need a lot of CPU power on the main rig just for getting the needed throughput. If you're going to go that road, I would suggest to offer your client terminals access to a common, NFS read-only shared root and individual shares for home directories. Make a testing environment and regularly make it the new root if it has proven to be stable. Always remember that the common root file system is now a single point of failure for the whole company's productivity. > First of all let's start with the clients... > I am a Gnome fan and I think it is better and simpler to use, but them if > you have windows users that you want to put to use linux, kde might be a > better option... although this is a matter of taste I would accept some > suggestions(without killing each other here), bu please take in > consideration all the things i want to add. I don't think it's a big issue. Maybe others have more experience in maintaining a common desktop environment in larger environments. > Things required: > Email, > Calendar sharing, > IM, > Office suite, > other bullshit managers use to put you to work(suggestions accepted here) :) > Web browsing, > A content management system Should be possible in one way or another. > I also think that some eye candy would be gr8 to have ... I tried both > compiz and beryl, but none were stable for me... it's true i was using > nvidia's beta driers but anyway. have any of you tried compiz or beryl? > which one is really stable and ready to use for a company? Is the > Xgl+(compiz|beryl) variant stable? I for one really liked beryl's features > but it seems to be more unstable than compiz. Hm, I don't know what kind of company we're talking about, but is this really a mission critical issue? I think my boss would be scared and thinking "heck, this guy has to much time for playing, let's give him more work" -- but hey, I'm german and probably not supposed to have fun at work :-) > Now for updates .. which profile do you think would better suit a company .. > should I use hardend gentoo? Is there a version of gentoo that keeps things > down with the upgrades to stable packages or I should keep my own tree and > sync only the stuff I want and test into it? > Now the nice part, > What about the disk less clients? is there a way to keep a stable file > system for all the workstations without requiring to copy all the base files > for each workstation? It would be nice to be able to dynamical add > workstations to the network without requiring admin intervention... > From what I have seen in the gentoo diskless faq it suggested doing an > separate dir for each client in the network.... I would suggest to share the full root file system read-only by NFS (i.e., probably just a chroot environment in which you maintain a client-specific environment). It will be a bit of a PITA to get the configuration for each specific client done in a sane way (writable, client-specific NFS unionfs mount onto /etc and /var?) but easier than maintaining N copies of the same stuff on the same RAID (after all, you said "diskless clients", right?). > What are the good points in using the system instead of using MS Windows > (besides the money)? They can't ever fire you. Really. They would lose productivity _and_ data. > PS: Excuse my English. Not that this means anything, but since I think I understood every single word, I'd say it's excellent :-) -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list