* [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
@ 2007-02-02 14:21 Adrian
2007-02-02 14:31 ` Mikko Husari
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From: Adrian @ 2007-02-02 14:21 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Greetings all --
Here is a question I'd like opinions on. We have a new director at my
job and she uses a Mac. Naturally, we are all PC based using Windows
and *barf* Outlook.
When she sends emails from her Mac:
Sometimes attachments don't arrive.
Sometimes the emails never arrive (or so people claim, never happens to
me)
Sometimes her emails end up in the junk mail folder (again, never
happens to me)
Our "IT" people are telling here this is because Mac email is not
"compatible" with PCs. My intuition & years of computer use is
telling me this is bullshit.
I've been wrong before . . . Just not often. *haha*
Any commentary?
Thank you -- Adrian
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 14:21 [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win Adrian
@ 2007-02-02 14:31 ` Mikko Husari
2007-02-02 15:24 ` Adrian
2007-02-02 15:31 ` Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D)
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From: Mikko Husari @ 2007-02-02 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Adrian wrote:
> Greetings all --
>
> Here is a question I'd like opinions on. We have a new director at my
> job and she uses a Mac. Naturally, we are all PC based using Windows
> and *barf* Outlook.
>
> When she sends emails from her Mac:
> Sometimes attachments don't arrive.
> Sometimes the emails never arrive (or so people claim, never happens to
> me)
> Sometimes her emails end up in the junk mail folder (again, never
> happens to me)
>
> Our "IT" people are telling here this is because Mac email is not
> "compatible" with PCs. My intuition & years of computer use is
> telling me this is bullshit.
>
> I've been wrong before . . . Just not often. *haha*
>
> Any commentary?
>
> Thank you -- Adrian
>
>
>
Does she use some sort of digital signature or that sort of stuff?
sometimes outlooks does not handle that kind of attachments...
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 14:31 ` Mikko Husari
@ 2007-02-02 15:24 ` Adrian
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From: Adrian @ 2007-02-02 15:24 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:31:26 +0200
Mikko Husari <husku@seclan.com> wrote the words:
> Adrian wrote:
> > Greetings all --
> >
> > Here is a question I'd like opinions on. We have a new director at
> > my job and she uses a Mac. Naturally, we are all PC based using
> > Windows and *barf* Outlook.
> >
> > When she sends emails from her Mac:
> > Sometimes attachments don't arrive.
> > Sometimes the emails never arrive (or so people claim, never
> > happens to me)
> > Sometimes her emails end up in the junk mail folder (again, never
> > happens to me)
> >
> > Our "IT" people are telling here this is because Mac email is not
> > "compatible" with PCs. My intuition & years of computer use is
> > telling me this is bullshit.
> >
> > I've been wrong before . . . Just not often. *haha*
> >
> > Any commentary?
> >
> > Thank you -- Adrian
> >
> >
> >
> Does she use some sort of digital signature or that sort of stuff?
> sometimes outlooks does not handle that kind of attachments...
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
interesting point. I will ask her.
Thank you
Adrian
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* RE: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 14:21 [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win Adrian
2007-02-02 14:31 ` Mikko Husari
@ 2007-02-02 15:31 ` Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D)
2007-02-02 15:41 ` Michal 'vorner' Vaner
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From: Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D) @ 2007-02-02 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian [mailto:linuxgn2@204eastsouth.com]
> Sent: 02 February 2007 14:22
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
... foo ...
>
> When she sends emails from her Mac:
> Sometimes attachments don't arrive.
> Sometimes the emails never arrive (or so people claim, never
> happens to
> me)
> Sometimes her emails end up in the junk mail folder (again, never
> happens to me)
>
> Our "IT" people are telling here this is because Mac email is not
> "compatible" with PCs. My intuition & years of computer use is
> telling me this is bullshit.
>
I would try the following:
Have her send a plain text email to an outlook inbox as well as a gmail or something address. See if it arrives at both. If it only arrives at one, Outlook is to blame. If neither, her Mac is.
Then try with an attachment. Also check all your junk filters.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 14:21 [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win Adrian
2007-02-02 14:31 ` Mikko Husari
2007-02-02 15:31 ` Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D)
@ 2007-02-02 15:41 ` Michal 'vorner' Vaner
2007-02-02 15:48 ` Ed Santiago
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From: Michal 'vorner' Vaner @ 2007-02-02 15:41 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Hello,
On Fri, Feb 02, 2007 at 07:21:57AM -0700, Adrian wrote:
> Our "IT" people are telling here this is because Mac email is not
> "compatible" with PCs. My intuition & years of computer use is
> telling me this is bullshit.
There's RFC for emails. It has nothing to do with platform, it has to do
with being standard compatible.
It may happen one side does not obey the standard and it can be decided
which one. But there is no "PC Email" or "Mac email".
(Besides, it is _known_ that outlook does not obey it in some places, or
didn't so in the past. I would bet on the "PC Email" side)
After a short googling: http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2822.html. I hope
this one is up-to-date version. This may be of some use if there is
argument with "The IT experts" of your company…
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Michal 'vorner' Vaner
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 14:21 [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win Adrian
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2007-02-02 15:41 ` Michal 'vorner' Vaner
@ 2007-02-02 15:48 ` Ed Santiago
[not found] ` <200702021755.52105.alan@linuxholdings.co.za>
2007-02-03 0:03 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
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From: Ed Santiago @ 2007-02-02 15:48 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
>When she sends emails from her Mac:
>Sometimes attachments don't arrive.
Have the Mac person try this:
Go in to Mail, Preferences -> Composing. The top preference is:
Composing: Message Format:
"Rich Text" is probably selected. Pick "Plain Text" instead.
This is a good idea in general, but it also affects one
specific and obscure corner case: Mac user forwarding
a received email which includes an attachment. When
Mac Mail forwards with Rich Text, the generated MIME has
a tree structure that some MUAs don't handle. The
attachment is there but the MUA won't see it.
>Sometimes the emails never arrive (or so people claim, never happens to
>me)
>Sometimes her emails end up in the junk mail folder (again, never
>happens to me)
Can't help you there, at least not without much more info.
The first thing I'd check, though, are the account settings
on the Mac. Maybe there's a mismatch between the claimed
account name (foo@bar.com) and the SMTP server (nonfoo@server.bar.com)
that's triggering antispam rules?
G'luck,
^E
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
[not found] ` <200702021755.52105.alan@linuxholdings.co.za>
@ 2007-02-02 16:15 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2007-02-02 17:03 ` Sigfrido V. Ortiz C.
2007-02-02 17:28 ` Neil Bothwick
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From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. @ 2007-02-02 16:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Friday 02 February 2007 09:55, Alan McKinnon <alan@linuxholdings.co.za>
wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win':
> While we're at it, my 2007 Hyundai Getz 1400 is running rough for the
> first few minutes in the morning. Any of you gentooites know how to fix
> this?
Cold where you are? Double check your fluid levels. If they are all fine,
what weight oil are you using?
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 16:15 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
@ 2007-02-02 17:03 ` Sigfrido V. Ortiz C.
2007-02-02 17:28 ` Neil Bothwick
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From: Sigfrido V. Ortiz C. @ 2007-02-02 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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Nice answer, nice distribution list!!!!
bss03@volumehost.net wrote:
>On Friday 02 February 2007 09:55, Alan McKinnon <alan@linuxholdings.co.za>
>wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win':
>
>
>>While we're at it, my 2007 Hyundai Getz 1400 is running rough for the
>>first few minutes in the morning. Any of you gentooites know how to fix
>>this?
>>
>>
>
>Cold where you are? Double check your fluid levels. If they are all fine,
>what weight oil are you using?
>
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 16:15 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2007-02-02 17:03 ` Sigfrido V. Ortiz C.
@ 2007-02-02 17:28 ` Neil Bothwick
2007-02-02 20:48 ` Dan Farrell
2007-02-02 21:33 ` Mick
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From: Neil Bothwick @ 2007-02-02 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:15:25 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > While we're at it, my 2007 Hyundai Getz 1400 is running rough for the
> > first few minutes in the morning. Any of you gentooites know how to
> > fix this?
>
> Cold where you are? Double check your fluid levels. If they are all
> fine, what weight oil are you using?
Surely the correct advice for this list is to strip the engine down to its
smallest component parts and rebuild it
emerge -e engine :)
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Stupidity is NOT a handicap. You'll have to park elsewhere.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 17:28 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2007-02-02 20:48 ` Dan Farrell
2007-02-02 22:45 ` Adrian
2007-02-02 21:33 ` Mick
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From: Dan Farrell @ 2007-02-02 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:28:11 +0000
Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:15:25 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> foo
your IT guys are idiots. As if there was a 'MAC' mail and a 'PC'
mail. they should be fired for their fundamental misunderstanding of a
core internet service ; )
> > > While we're at it, my 2007 Hyundai Getz 1400 is running rough for
> > > the first few minutes in the morning. Any of you gentooites know
> > > how to fix this?
i live in minnesota and expect any car (especially older, but any) to
require a few minutes warmup before it runs particularly well. Also
use thin oil. 5w-30 is better than 10w-30 in cold (all) weather. But
almost every car has 5w-30 in it anyway.
> > Cold where you are?
it's supposed to be -30 degrees F. with wind chill here in the Twin
Cities this weekend. And I guess the country & canada changed the way
we measure wind chill too - used to be 30 feet off the ground, but now
it's at ground level (???) and so evidently it's like, -70 below this
weekend with the old wind chill index or something. Don't quote me on
that ; )
how is a car like a computer? -> neither work quite like they're
supposed to unless you prove your worth to them ; )
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 17:28 ` Neil Bothwick
2007-02-02 20:48 ` Dan Farrell
@ 2007-02-02 21:33 ` Mick
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From: Mick @ 2007-02-02 21:33 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Friday 02 February 2007 17:28, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:15:25 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > > While we're at it, my 2007 Hyundai Getz 1400 is running rough for the
> > > first few minutes in the morning. Any of you gentooites know how to
> > > fix this?
> >
> > Cold where you are? Double check your fluid levels. If they are all
> > fine, what weight oil are you using?
>
> Surely the correct advice for this list is to strip the engine down to its
> smallest component parts and rebuild it
>
> emerge -e engine :)
Nope, you forget he comes from another distro. First he needs to set up the
CHOST and USE flags; ergo the engine clearly needs blueprinting before it's
converted from a hair-drier to a supercharged NO2-injected V8. ;-)
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Regards,
Mick
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 20:48 ` Dan Farrell
@ 2007-02-02 22:45 ` Adrian
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From: Adrian @ 2007-02-02 22:45 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:48:32 -0600
Dan Farrell <dan@spore.ath.cx> wrote the words:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 17:28:11 +0000
> Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 10:15:25 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>
> > foo
>
> your IT guys are idiots. As if there was a 'MAC' mail and a 'PC'
> mail. they should be fired for their fundamental misunderstanding of
> a core internet service ; )
This was my opinion as well. I explained it this way:
Email "protocols" (maybe the wrong word, but I know what I mean and no
one else around there knows anything other than the "send" button) are
standard around the world, on all computers, otherwise you couldn't
sent an email from America to China.
Yes, they are idiots. And they are paid well for it.
Adrian
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* Re: [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win
2007-02-02 14:21 [gentoo-user] OT: Email from Mac to PC/Win Adrian
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@ 2007-02-03 0:03 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
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From: Michael Schreckenbauer @ 2007-02-03 0:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Hi,
Am Freitag, 2. Februar 2007 schrieb Adrian:
> Greetings all --
> When she sends emails from her Mac:
> Sometimes attachments don't arrive.
is this the case? Or are the attachments not visible in the client? I'm quite
shure there's a button to look at the mail source even in a client like
outlook. This way you can see, if the attachment is there, but not shown.
Another possibility is, that the mailserver disallows some types of attachment
and removes them if considered bad. Maybe your experts configured it this
way :)
> Sometimes the emails never arrive (or so people claim, never happens to
> me)
If so, it's not because she is using a mac.
> Sometimes her emails end up in the junk mail folder (again, never
> happens to me)
That's a question of how the filter is configured. Maybe somebody has her in
his blacklist :)
> Our "IT" people are telling here this is because Mac email is not
> "compatible" with PCs. My intuition & years of computer use is
> telling me this is bullshit.
Regarding MIME, some clients are somewhat special. So it is not necessarily
bullshit when attachments are not shown. It certainly is bullshit regarding
lost email or junkmail filtering.
> Thank you -- Adrian
Hth,
Michael
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