[gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Jan Stępień]

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Hi everyone,

Despite being a Gnome fan, I've been using few KDE apps, such as Amarok
and Kile. I've emerged them on my Gentoo desktop with a Gnome
environment. Unfortunately I'm not able to force a KDE apps to display
Polish diacritical characters (e.g. ć, ł, ę). All I can see instead of
them are small rectangles. I've tried to use qtconfig to change fonts
but it hasn't solve the problem. In my USE flag "unicode" is disabled.
I'm using ISO-8859-2 encoding.

Taking into account that this is an international group, I hope that
I'll be able to find someone who experienced similar problems and
managed to find a solution. Help would be highly appreciated.

Best regards,
Jan Stępień

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Albert Hopkins]

On Sat, 2007-01-27 at 15:48 +0100, Jan Stępień wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Despite being a Gnome fan, I've been using few KDE apps, such as Amarok
> and Kile. I've emerged them on my Gentoo desktop with a Gnome
> environment. Unfortunately I'm not able to force a KDE apps to display
> Polish diacritical characters (e.g. ć, ł, ę). All I can see instead of
> them are small rectangles. I've tried to use qtconfig to change fonts
> but it hasn't solve the problem. In my USE flag "unicode" is disabled.
> I'm using ISO-8859-2 encoding.
> 
> Taking into account that this is an international group, I hope that
> I'll be able to find someone who experienced similar problems and
> managed to find a solution. Help would be highly appreciated.

Disclaimer: I don't (often) use KDE...

But there is a Settings://Accessibility/Regional & Languages option (or
similiar).  Have you using that and setting it to Polish?

... also might want to check your $LANG and $LC_ALL environment
variables...


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Jan Stępień]

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Albert Hopkins napisał(a):
> 
> Disclaimer: I don't (often) use KDE...
> 
> But there is a Settings://Accessibility/Regional & Languages option (or
> similiar).  Have you using that and setting it to Polish?

Can't find it in Gnome. Isn't it a KDE option?

> ... also might want to check your $LANG and $LC_ALL environment
> variables...

Both set to pl_PL.

Thanks for your feedback.

Regards,
Jan Stępień

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Saturday 27 January 2007 15:48:20 Jan Stępień wrote:
> Despite being a Gnome fan, I've been using few KDE apps, such as Amarok
> and Kile. I've emerged them on my Gentoo desktop with a Gnome
> environment. Unfortunately I'm not able to force a KDE apps to display
> Polish diacritical characters (e.g. ć, ł, ę). All I can see instead of
> them are small rectangles. I've tried to use qtconfig to change fonts
> but it hasn't solve the problem. In my USE flag "unicode" is disabled.
> I'm using ISO-8859-2 encoding.
>
> Taking into account that this is an international group, I hope that
> I'll be able to find someone who experienced similar problems and
> managed to find a solution. Help would be highly appreciated.

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml#doc_chap3

Soo.. if you still have problems the output of:

# locale -a

# locale

?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Jan Stępień]

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Bo Ørsted Andresen napisał(a):
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml#doc_chap3

Thanks, but I've followed these instructions already when was installing
my Gentoo.

> # locale -a

C
pl_PL
POSIX

> # locale

LANG=pl_PL
LC_CTYPE="pl_PL"
LC_NUMERIC="pl_PL"
LC_TIME="pl_PL"
LC_COLLATE="pl_PL"
LC_MONETARY="pl_PL"
LC_MESSAGES="pl_PL"
LC_PAPER="pl_PL"
LC_NAME="pl_PL"
LC_ADDRESS="pl_PL"
LC_TELEPHONE="pl_PL"
LC_MEASUREMENT="pl_PL"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="pl_PL"
LC_ALL=pl_PL

Seems to be as Polish as a Linux can be. And it really is, in fact,
despite those KDE apps.

Regards,
Jan Stępień

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Sunday 28 January 2007 15:10:15 Jan Stępień wrote:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/guide-localization.xml#doc_chap3
>
> Thanks, but I've followed these instructions already when was installing
> my Gentoo.
[SNIP]

I guess I can assume that `locale-gen` doesn't report any errors then. So 
maybe you need to install kde-base/kde-i18n ? I assume your LINGUAS variable 
does include "pl"? Otherwise adjust it and run `emerge -vDp --newuse world`.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Jan Stępień]

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Bo Ørsted Andresen napisał(a):
> I guess I can assume that `locale-gen` doesn't report any errors then. So 
> maybe you need to install kde-base/kde-i18n ? I assume your LINGUAS variable 
> does include "pl"? Otherwise adjust it and run `emerge -vDp --newuse world`.

Yes, locale-gen outputs no errors. Installing kde-base/kde-i18n with
"pl" among my LINGUAS wasn't helpful, however I've noticed something
interesting.

I entered Amarok's setting window and in the Appearance tab I found an
option allowing me to change the default font. Moreover the font chooser
dialog allows me to check whether the font contains diacritical
characters. I've chosen a suitable font, which displayed all those chars
correctly and clicked "Apply". Most surprisingly, part of the fonts have
changed and begun to display everything correctly (e.g. the context
window and the playlist), but the main menu on the top still consists of
those rectangles and I am not able to change its font. Well, I have to
admit that I'm a little bit dizzy.

Regards,
Jan Stępień

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Michal 'vorner' Vaner]

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Hello,

On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 05:07:26PM +0100, Jan Stępień wrote:
> I entered Amarok's setting window and in the Appearance tab I found an
> option allowing me to change the default font. Moreover the font chooser
> dialog allows me to check whether the font contains diacritical
> characters. I've chosen a suitable font, which displayed all those chars
> correctly and clicked "Apply". Most surprisingly, part of the fonts have
> changed and begun to display everything correctly (e.g. the context
> window and the playlist), but the main menu on the top still consists of
> those rectangles and I am not able to change its font. Well, I have to
> admit that I'm a little bit dizzy.

Did you try choosing the same font in kcontrol?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Uwe Thiem]

On 28 January 2007 20:09, Michal 'vorner' Vaner wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 05:07:26PM +0100, Jan Stępień wrote:
> > I entered Amarok's setting window and in the Appearance tab I found an
> > option allowing me to change the default font. Moreover the font chooser
> > dialog allows me to check whether the font contains diacritical
> > characters. I've chosen a suitable font, which displayed all those chars
> > correctly and clicked "Apply". Most surprisingly, part of the fonts have
> > changed and begun to display everything correctly (e.g. the context
> > window and the playlist), but the main menu on the top still consists of
> > those rectangles and I am not able to change its font. Well, I have to
> > admit that I'm a little bit dizzy.
>
> Did you try choosing the same font in kcontrol?

He is using GNOME!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Michal 'vorner' Vaner]

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On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 08:27:02PM +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> > Did you try choosing the same font in kcontrol?
> 
> He is using GNOME!

Ups, sorry. Near hit. Then gnome-control-center? (mistaken by amarok,
which is KDE)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Benno Schulenberg]

Jan Stępień wrote:
> In my
> USE flag "unicode" is disabled. I'm using ISO-8859-2 encoding.

Why not use Unicode?  The mail you sent uses UTF-8, why not use that 
everywhere?

Benno

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Jan Stępień]

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Benno Schulenberg napisał(a):
> Jan Stępień wrote:
>> In my
>> USE flag "unicode" is disabled. I'm using ISO-8859-2 encoding.
> Why not use Unicode?  The mail you sent uses UTF-8, why not use that 
> everywhere?

When posting to international groups I try to use to use UTF-8 to make
it accessible for everyone. However, over here in Poland most of my
friends and colleagues use ISO-8859-2 and it's easier for us to use the
same encoding. And last but not the least, I don't believe that KDE
running in Polish has to use UTF-8.

Regards,
Jan Stępień

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Mick]

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On Sunday 28 January 2007 14:14, Jan Stępień wrote:
> Benno Schulenberg napisał(a):
> > Jan Stępień wrote:
> >> In my
> >> USE flag "unicode" is disabled. I'm using ISO-8859-2 encoding.
> >
> > Why not use Unicode?  The mail you sent uses UTF-8, why not use that
> > everywhere?
>
> When posting to international groups I try to use to use UTF-8 to make
> it accessible for everyone. However, over here in Poland most of my
> friends and colleagues use ISO-8859-2 and it's easier for us to use the
> same encoding. And last but not the least, I don't believe that KDE
> running in Polish has to use UTF-8.

Why don't you try this in your /etc/locale.gen file and then run again running 
# locale-gen:

=================
pl_PL ISO-8859-2
pl_PL UTF-8
...
en_US UTF-8
...
etc.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gnome, KDE applications and diacritical characters

[Jan Stępień]

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Mick napisał(a):
> On Sunday 28 January 2007 14:14, Jan Stępień wrote:
>> When posting to international groups I
>> try to use to use UTF-8 to make
>> it accessible for everyone. However, over here in Poland most of my
>> friends and colleagues use ISO-8859-2 and it's
>> easier for us to use the
>> same encoding. And last but not the least, I don't believe that KDE
>> running in Polish has to use UTF-8.
>
> Why don't you try this in your /etc/locale.gen file and then
> run again running
> # locale-gen:

Because there must be a possibility of using KDE apps under Gnome with
ISO-8859-2. Enabling UTF-8 may be a solution, but it doesn't satisfy me.

By the way, I gave it a try but it doesn't work. I still have got those
rectangles instead of diacriticals.

Regards,
Jan Stępień

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