[gentoo-user] gcc slots

[gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Mick]

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Hi All,

I just upgraded to gcc-4.1.1.  gcc-config -l shows that gcc-3.4.5 is still 
there:

# gcc-config -l
 [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5
 [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened
 [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie
 [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp
 [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp
 [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1 *

When I try to remove gcc-3.4.5, it doesn't exist:

# emerge -C -p -v gcc-3.4.5

>>> These are the packages that would be unmerged:

--- Couldn't find 'gcc-3.4.5' to unmerge.

>>> No packages selected for removal by unmerge.

If it doesn't exist, why is it listed?  There's most likely a good explanation 
for this, but it's getting late and I must be too tired to understand it.  
Could you please care to explain?
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Dan]

On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 23:29:15 +0000
Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:

first of all, let me mention there's a short defense of top posting ...
at the bottom ;)

have you tried emerge --unmerge =gcc-3.4.5 ?  note that equal sign,
it's usually necessary to include that when specifying a version.

I also wanted to make sure you're following the gcc 3.x -> 4.x  upgrade
guide online, because you'll need to, if you don't want a borked
system.  

best of luck, 

   --dan.

> Hi All,
> 
> I just upgraded to gcc-4.1.1.  gcc-config -l shows that gcc-3.4.5 is
> still there:
> 
> # gcc-config -l
>  [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5
>  [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened
>  [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie
>  [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp
>  [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp
>  [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1 *
> 
> When I try to remove gcc-3.4.5, it doesn't exist:
> 
> # emerge -C -p -v gcc-3.4.5
> 
> >>> These are the packages that would be unmerged:
> 
> --- Couldn't find 'gcc-3.4.5' to unmerge.
> 
> >>> No packages selected for removal by unmerge.
> 
> If it doesn't exist, why is it listed?  There's most likely a good
> explanation for this, but it's getting late and I must be too tired
> to understand it. Could you please care to explain?

A defense of 'top posting' -- Caution, off topic!!!

Whether the reply text goes before or after the message to which it
replies depends entirely on personal preferance.  Some people choose to
run their email clients at full screen and/or on a large display, and
perhaps can see the top of the email and the bottom at the same time;
thus they can look over the original post and then read the response.
However, if one hasn't a big display or a fullscreen mail client (hey,
I have lots of windows up that I want to see/switch between!) having
responses at the end means you need to scroll way down to the bottom of
each message to see the responses.  Usually, if you're following a
thread closely, you'll already know the train of conversation, so all
the response-to quotations are just in the way.  Even if you don't have
to scroll the text at all, you still have to wade through the question
to get to the answer.  In time, as the response-to quotations get
longer and longer, much space is wasted by this section, and much
scrolltime is also wasted.  Therefore, I conclude that although I
respect the opinions of those who choose to bottom-post, and agree with
the reasons it is nice, I also insist that there are also good reasons
to top-post, and that I think the only real solution is for us all to
live with each others preferences when we can't honor our own.  

Friendily, 
	Dan.
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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Bruno Espinoza]

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Acording to Gentoo Documentation, Portage and Emerge never delete an
existing version of gcc. If you want to do so, simply unemerge it. But be
care. You have to modifiy certain files to make emerge compile with the new
version. See http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gcc-upgrading.xml (GCC Updating
Guide) for details.

2007/1/9, Dan <dan@spore.ath.cx>:
>
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 23:29:15 +0000
> Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> first of all, let me mention there's a short defense of top posting ...
> at the bottom ;)
>
> have you tried emerge --unmerge =gcc-3.4.5 ?  note that equal sign,
> it's usually necessary to include that when specifying a version.
>
> I also wanted to make sure you're following the gcc 3.x -> 4.x  upgrade
> guide online, because you'll need to, if you don't want a borked
> system.
>
> best of luck,
>
>   --dan.
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I just upgraded to gcc-4.1.1.  gcc-config -l shows that gcc-3.4.5 is
> > still there:
> >
> > # gcc-config -l
> >  [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5
> >  [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened
> >  [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie
> >  [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp
> >  [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp
> >  [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1 *
> >
> > When I try to remove gcc-3.4.5, it doesn't exist:
> >
> > # emerge -C -p -v gcc-3.4.5
> >
> > >>> These are the packages that would be unmerged:
> >
> > --- Couldn't find 'gcc-3.4.5' to unmerge.
> >
> > >>> No packages selected for removal by unmerge.
> >
> > If it doesn't exist, why is it listed?  There's most likely a good
> > explanation for this, but it's getting late and I must be too tired
> > to understand it. Could you please care to explain?
>
> A defense of 'top posting' -- Caution, off topic!!!
>
> Whether the reply text goes before or after the message to which it
> replies depends entirely on personal preferance.  Some people choose to
> run their email clients at full screen and/or on a large display, and
> perhaps can see the top of the email and the bottom at the same time;
> thus they can look over the original post and then read the response.
> However, if one hasn't a big display or a fullscreen mail client (hey,
> I have lots of windows up that I want to see/switch between!) having
> responses at the end means you need to scroll way down to the bottom of
> each message to see the responses.  Usually, if you're following a
> thread closely, you'll already know the train of conversation, so all
> the response-to quotations are just in the way.  Even if you don't have
> to scroll the text at all, you still have to wade through the question
> to get to the answer.  In time, as the response-to quotations get
> longer and longer, much space is wasted by this section, and much
> scrolltime is also wasted.  Therefore, I conclude that although I
> respect the opinions of those who choose to bottom-post, and agree with
> the reasons it is nice, I also insist that there are also good reasons
> to top-post, and that I think the only real solution is for us all to
> live with each others preferences when we can't honor our own.
>
> Friendily,
>        Dan.
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>


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[gentoo-user] Re: gcc slots

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-01-10, Bruno Espinoza <bruno32@gmail.com> wrote:

> Acording to Gentoo Documentation, Portage and Emerge never delete an
> existing version of gcc.

Is that true even for minor upgrades?  

It sure looks like it isn't (at least on my system).  I'm
pretty sure that 3.4 has been updated at lest 4-5 times in the
past year, and 4.1 has been updated at least a couple times.

Yet I still only have two versions installed: 3.4.6 and 4.1.1

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:46:21 -0600, Dan wrote:

> Whether the reply text goes before or after the message to which it
> replies depends entirely on personal preferance.

writer!
the
not
reader,
the
of
preference
personal
the
on
depends
it
but
Yes,

Top-post even Yoda wouldn't.


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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 10 January 2007 00:29, Mick wrote:
> # gcc-config -l
>  [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5
[SNIP]
> --- Couldn't find 'gcc-3.4.5' to unmerge.
[SNIP]
> If it doesn't exist, why is it listed?  There's most likely a good
> explanation for this, but it's getting late and I must be too tired to
> understand it. Could you please care to explain?

Maybe you have gcc-3.4.5-r1 ? `equery list -e gcc` will tell you.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Mark Kirkwood]

Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:46:21 -0600, Dan wrote:
> 
>> Whether the reply text goes before or after the message to which it
>> replies depends entirely on personal preferance.
> 
> writer!
> the
> not
> reader,
> the
> of
> preference
> personal
> the
> on
> depends
> it
> but
> Yes,
> 
> Top-post even Yoda wouldn't.
> 
> 

What is really evil is when some folks have top posted and other's 
bottom posted in the same message...

Hard
read
to
it
makes
it

That's why most mailing lists encourage folks to follow one *or* the 
other exclusively.

Cheers

Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 10 January 2007 00:46, Dan wrote:
> have you tried emerge --unmerge =gcc-3.4.5 ?  note that equal sign,
> it's usually necessary to include that when specifying a version.

The equal sign isn't necessary for unmerges.

> Usually, if you're following a thread closely, you'll already know the train
> of conversation, so all the response-to quotations are just in the way.

That's why you're supposed to snip everything that isn't relevant to your 
reply.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Luis Ortiz]

Mick wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I just upgraded to gcc-4.1.1.  gcc-config -l shows that gcc-3.4.5 is still 
> there:
> 
> # gcc-config -l
>  [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5
>  [2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened
>  [3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie
>  [4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp
>  [5] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp
>  [6] i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1 *
> 
> When I try to remove gcc-3.4.5, it doesn't exist:
> 
> # emerge -C -p -v gcc-3.4.5
> 
>>>> These are the packages that would be unmerged:
> 
> --- Couldn't find 'gcc-3.4.5' to unmerge.
> 
>>>> No packages selected for removal by unmerge.
> 
> If it doesn't exist, why is it listed?  There's most likely a good explanation 
> for this, but it's getting late and I must be too tired to understand it.  
> Could you please care to explain?

As to why they weren't removed when you unmerged gcc-3.4.5, I've
no idea, but gcc-config -l will list whatever is in this directory:

	/etc/env.d/gcc

Except the file 'config', which holds the default value.

Now, if you _really_ don't want to see them, remove them manually
_at your own risk_.

I doubt anything will break, but if I'm wrong someone will correct
me and you may get a better answer.

I hope I'm wrong :D

-Luis
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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Richard Fish]

On 1/9/07, Dan <dan@spore.ath.cx> wrote:
> scrolltime is also wasted.  Therefore, I conclude that although I
> respect the opinions of those who choose to bottom-post, and agree with
> the reasons it is nice, I also insist that there are also good reasons
> to top-post, and that I think the only real solution is for us all to
> live with each others preferences when we can't honor our own.

The established community standard on this list is bottom posting.  I
can't recall anybody complaining about bottom-posting....on any mail
list....*ever*.  This is reason enough to adhere to the standard.

-Richard
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RE: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D)]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: richard.j.fish@gmail.com [mailto:richard.j.fish@gmail.com]On
> Behalf Of Richard Fish
> Sent: 10 January 2007 03:08
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots
> 
> 
> The established community standard on this list is bottom posting.  I
> can't recall anybody complaining about bottom-posting....on any mail
> list....*ever*.  This is reason enough to adhere to the standard.
> 
> -Richard

Either suits me - my email client (Outlook, I don't have the choice at work. I asked for a *nix workstation rather than a Windows 2000 one and was greeted with laughter) automagically wants to top post but it's no work to click down a bit.

I would say that most replies only reply to maybe a few lines of the preceeding message and so should usually fit on a reasonably sized window. I do have to admit to having a rather nice 17in 1280x1024 monitor though so .... :>

Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first line not preceeded with a > if it makes it easier for some people? Or perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :)

David

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 10 January 2007 01:40, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 January 2007 00:29, Mick wrote:
> > # gcc-config -l
> >  [1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5
> [SNIP]
>
> > --- Couldn't find 'gcc-3.4.5' to unmerge.
> [SNIP]
>
> > If it doesn't exist, why is it listed?  There's most likely a good
> > explanation for this, but it's getting late and I must be too tired to
> > understand it. Could you please care to explain?
>
> Maybe you have gcc-3.4.5-r1 ? `equery list -e gcc` will tell you.

Thank you.  equery only lists the latest gcc:
========================================
# equery list -e gcc
[ Searching for package 'gcc' in all categories among: ]
 * installed packages
[I--] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3 (4.1)
========================================

Under /etc/env.d/gcc I see the same that gcc-config -l shows:
========================================
# ls -la /etc/env.d/gcc
total 29
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 368 Jan  9 20:17 .
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 888 Jan  9 20:19 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  32 Jan  9 20:17 config
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292 Mar 30  2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 356 Mar 30  2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 361 Mar 30  2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 364 Mar 30  2006 
i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 361 Mar 30  2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292 Jan  9 20:17 i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1
========================================

I think I'm sure it's not installed:
========================================
# equery list -i --full-regex 'gcc-3.4.*'
[ Searching for package 'gcc-3.4.*' in all categories among: ]
 * installed packages
#
========================================

I haven't remerged system or world, because this was a minor update from:

  Wed Nov 15 19:22:39 2006 >>> sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r1

to:

  Tue Jan  9 20:18:55 2007 >>> sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3

I notice that there are no hardened 3.4.1 packages, but don't know if it is 
relevant.  Any more ideas?
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 08:55 schrieb ext Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D):

> I would say that most replies only reply to maybe a few lines of the
> preceeding message and so should usually fit on a reasonably sized
> window.

Then one should delete the irrelevant parts anyway.

> Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first
> line not preceeded with a > if it makes it easier for some people? Or
> perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :)

Why? Instead of putting the whole answer above the whole original text, 
people would put it below, then. This would be somehow better, but still 
far from good.

Bye...

	Dirk
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Kent Fredric]

On 1/10/07, Dirk Heinrichs <ext-dirk.heinrichs@nokia.com> wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 08:55 schrieb ext Nelson, David (ED, PAR&D):
>
> > I would say that most replies only reply to maybe a few lines of the
> > preceeding message and so should usually fit on a reasonably sized
> > window.
>
> Then one should delete the irrelevant parts anyway.

> > Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first
> > line not preceeded with a > if it makes it easier for some people? Or
> > perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :)
>
> Why? Instead of putting the whole answer above the whole original text,
> people would put it below, then. This would be somehow better, but still
> far from good.
>
> Bye...
>
>         Dirk
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>
>
>

Or use GMail for emaill, its great, it does 'diff' like working and
masks the nasties of both posting styles.  I find gmail great for
thread tracking, it auto groups converstations.

That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more
sence. answers after questions, not before. :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Dirk Heinrichs]

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Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 09:42 schrieb ext Kent Fredric:

> > Bye...
> >
> >         Dirk
> > --
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> > Configuration Manager   | Fax:  +49 (0)211 47068 111
> > Capgemini Deutschland   | Mail: dirk.heinrichs@capgemini.com
> > Hambornerstraße 55      | Web:  http://www.capgemini.com
> > D-40472 Düsseldorf      | ICQ#: 110037733
> > GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net
>
> Or use GMail for emaill, its great, it does 'diff' like working and
> masks the nasties of both posting styles.  I find gmail great for
> thread tracking, it auto groups converstations.
>
> That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more
> sence. answers after questions, not before. :)

But to what part of my mail did you answer to? To the sig? *SCNR*. Placing 
an answer below the whole original mail w/o thinking is as bad as top 
posting.

Bye...

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Uwe Thiem]

On 10 January 2007 10:42, Kent Fredric wrote:

> That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more
> sence. answers after questions, not before. :)

I am for pruning the original mail and posting in context. ;-)

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:28:00 +0100, Dirk Heinrichs wrote:

> > Is there perhaps a way to make an email client jump down to the first
> > line not preceeded with a > if it makes it easier for some people? Or
> > perhaps a project for the KMail/Thunderbird/Evolution devs? :)  

Claws Mail has this option.

> Why? Instead of putting the whole answer above the whole original text, 
> people would put it below, then. 

And this is why I don't use it.

Most decent mail clients have a far better option, highlight the part of
the message you wish to reply to before hitting Reply and only that text
will be quoted.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Wednesday 10 January 2007 03:40, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> 
wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting':
> Most decent mail clients have a far better option, highlight the part of
> the message you wish to reply to before hitting Reply and only that text
> will be quoted.

I generally don't use this feature either, because I try to put my reply 
text as close as possible to what I'm replying to, resulting in an 
interleaved message.  In the case there's a single piece of text I'm 
replying to, it is nice to have.

Sans this highlight relevant part(s) feature, the proper behavior for an 
email client to to start at the top with the entire body of the email 
being replied to quoted (the RFC that covers text/plain;format=flowed 
discusses HOW to quote) below the cursor, and any signature below the 
quoted text, separated from the rest of the email with the text "-- " on a 
line by itself (this specific "signature separator" is specified in some 
RFC).

As this point, a responsible users scan down the message removing the 
irrelevant part(s) and putting his/her reply below the relevant part(s).

In the future, it may be possible that emails are sent in a language that 
has a bottom-to-top page order (I don't know of any languages that do this 
currently).  In that case, the cursor should start at the "beginning of 
page" and replies should go "after" their relevant parts as the user 
scans "through" the email.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Kent Fredric]

On 1/10/07, Dirk Heinrichs <ext-dirk.heinrichs@nokia.com> wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 10. Januar 2007 09:42 schrieb ext Kent Fredric:
>
> > > Bye...
> > >
> > >         Dirk
> > > --
> > > Dirk Heinrichs          | Tel:  +49 (0)162 234 3408
> > > Configuration Manager   | Fax:  +49 (0)211 47068 111
> > > Capgemini Deutschland   | Mail: dirk.heinrichs@capgemini.com
> > > Hambornerstraße 55      | Web:  http://www.capgemini.com
> > > D-40472 Düsseldorf      | ICQ#: 110037733
> > > GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net
> >
> > Or use GMail for emaill, its great, it does 'diff' like working and
> > masks the nasties of both posting styles.  I find gmail great for
> > thread tracking, it auto groups converstations.
> >
> > That said, im in favour of bottom posting, logically it makes more
> > sence. answers after questions, not before. :)
>
> But to what part of my mail did you answer to? To the sig? *SCNR*. Placing
> an answer below the whole original mail w/o thinking is as bad as top
> posting.
>

I'll put it here to keep you happy, but IMO, if the body of the
message discusses a singular idea, then replying after the signature
should be somewhat imo acceptable. But admittedly, you do have quite a
sizable signature ;)  ( compensating for something? :P jk ) .

Admittedly, I think how you handle interleave/bottom posting should be
case dependent.
Im still debating with myself at what stage (if at all) you cull out
the old message when it gets deep in reply chains in order to
economize on message size for clients which don't automatically hide
that which is irrelevant  in context by automatic comparison to the
previous message :), or whether stripping out a signature from a
message is potentially damaging intellectual property :)


> Bye...
>
>         Dirk
> --
> Dirk Heinrichs          | Tel:  +49 (0)162 234 3408
> Configuration Manager   | Fax:  +49 (0)211 47068 111
> Capgemini Deutschland   | Mail: dirk.heinrichs@capgemini.com
> Hambornerstraße 55      | Web:  http://www.capgemini.com
> D-40472 Düsseldorf      | ICQ#: 110037733
> GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net
>
>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:15:58 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> > Most decent mail clients have a far better option, highlight the part
> > of the message you wish to reply to before hitting Reply and only
> > that text will be quoted.  
> 
> I generally don't use this feature either, because I try to put my
> reply text as close as possible to what I'm replying to, resulting in
> an interleaved message.  In the case there's a single piece of text I'm 
> replying to, it is nice to have.

So you highlight the block of mail containing the parts you wish to reply
to.

> Sans this highlight relevant part(s) feature, the proper behavior for
> an email client to to start at the top with the entire body of the
> email being replied to quoted 

Then type your replies in the appropriate places, removing any parts you
don't need. it's still easier than starting with the whole mail and
removing huge swathes, especially if the previous mail used excessive
quoting.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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Kent Fredric wrote:
> I'll put it here to keep you happy, but IMO, if the body of the
> message discusses a singular idea, then replying after the signature
> should be somewhat imo acceptable.

Many mail readers (e.g Thunderbird) put the signature (that means, the text after a \r\n--\r\n
token) in a different, lighter color. Thus, replying below the signature may put your reply in the
same color, potentially rendering it invisible to some eyes.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc slots

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 10 January 2007 09:12, Mick wrote:
> # equery list -e gcc
[SNIP]
> [I--] [ -] sys-devel/gcc-4.1.1-r3 (4.1)
> ========================================
>
> Under /etc/env.d/gcc I see the same that gcc-config -l shows:
[SNIP]
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292 Mar 30  2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 356 Mar 30  2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardened
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 361 Mar 30  2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopie
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 364 Mar 30  2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednopiessp
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 361 Mar 30  2006 i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.4.5-hardenednossp
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 292 Jan  9 20:17 i686-pc-linux-gnu-4.1.1
[SNIP]

/etc/env.d isn't under CONFIG_PROTECT by default (due to /etc/make.globals) so
those files really should have been removed when gcc-3.4.5 was unmerged. I
think the most likely cause would be if they were altered after they were
installed. Either way they are orphans so as others have suggested it should
be safe to just delete them.

> I notice that there are no hardened 3.4.1 packages, but don't know if it is
> relevant.

It's irrelevant.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Iain Buchanan]

On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 10:40 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote:
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> 
> Kent Fredric wrote:
> > I'll put it here to keep you happy, but IMO, if the body of the
> > message discusses a singular idea, then replying after the signature
> > should be somewhat imo acceptable.
> 
> Many mail readers (e.g Thunderbird) put the signature (that means, the
> text after a \r\n--\r\n
> token) in a different, lighter color.

actually, I think that's supposed to be dash-dash-space-newline.

>  Thus, replying below the signature may put your reply in the
> same color, potentially rendering it invisible to some eyes.

evolution automatically deletes everything including and below the
dash-dash-space-newline when you reply.

cya,
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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Iain Buchanan wrote:
> evolution automatically deletes everything including and below the
> dash-dash-space-newline when you reply.

There we go...

PS: newline-dash-dash-space-newline, - Without the first newline, any line that contains "-- " would
be a signature from there on. - I'll see what happens after I press "send" and re-read it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Top/Bottom Posting

[Mikko Ruuska]

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 10:40 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote:
> > Many mail readers (e.g Thunderbird) put the signature (that means, the
> > text after a \r\n--\r\n
> > token) in a different, lighter color.
> 
> actually, I think that's supposed to be dash-dash-space-newline.
> 
> >  Thus, replying below the signature may put your reply in the
> > same color, potentially rendering it invisible to some eyes.
> 
> evolution automatically deletes everything including and below the
> dash-dash-space-newline when you reply.
> 

Which is handy because signatures really should not be quoted in the
first place.  Quote only what is needed.  Text is attributed at the
beginning of the quote.

Mikko

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