From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1H3gtB-0001iQ-E5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:53:17 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id l07MpnNc006575; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:51:49 GMT Received: from gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de (gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de [134.76.163.126]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l07MkA6L022678 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:46:11 GMT Received: by gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix, from userid 8) id 887A6108AB0; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 23:46:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dslc-082-082-188-121.pools.arcor-ip.net [82.82.188.121]) by gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB5041089ED for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2007 23:46:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 23:51:59 +0100 From: Hans-Werner Hilse To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Through the looking glass: Reflections on Gentoo Message-Id: <20070107235159.cbf19bdd.hilse@web.de> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 2.3.0 (GTK+ 2.10.6; i586-pc-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Details: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL autolearn=no version=2.64 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on gabriel.sub.uni-goettingen.de X-Archives-Salt: 0c6df929-e8c8-481c-9345-4b32afc5933b X-Archives-Hash: 6a9ae7fb775b67165c821ea3267a92c9 Hi, On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 22:14:26 +0100 "Ivan Sakhalin" wrote: > [...] > Now, you that have read this far may wonder, what is my point? Quite simple, > comrades. It is a warning I bring you, and I ask you to stop for a moment and > reflect upon the situation we have right now. It seems that a small group of > developers have ursurped power, leaving any checks and balances behind them > to shape Gentoo in the image they see, not caring for any losses they cause. > It can not be in the interest of a community to be ruled by such a group - > even among devs equality is hard to find as som just have to be better than > others. _I_ am not ruled by that group and you're possibly neither. What might be ruled by those "ursurpators", which might or might not exist (names, dude, more facts...), is just Gentoo. > [...] Cooperate you must, my friends. [...] Fear is the path to the dark side! Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate - and hate leads to - suffering. (SCNR... That's Yoda, of course) > Only when you leave the infighting and bureaucracy behind can you aspire > to true greatness. But *I*, as a user (this is -user, after all!) don't feel bothered by any kind of bureaucracy. Please explain first why I should take action at all at the moment. And why I shouldn't just go and take the next distro that fits my needs best (brrrr, Slackware :-)? I don't want to say your points aren't valid. But they are not very substantiated (don't expect me to read back the last few months of gentoo-dev, bring examples!) and not focused on my context as a _user_... -hwh -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list