* [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
@ 2006-12-31 11:38 Chuanwen Wu
2006-12-31 14:03 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
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From: Chuanwen Wu @ 2006-12-31 11:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Hi,everyone!
I want to install gentoo in my Hewlett-Packard server.It's my first
time to install linux in a server.I want to know that which *.iso I
should download and burn into the CD? Is it the
" install-hppa-2006.1-universal.iso" all right?
And do you have any other advice?
Thanks in advanced!
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2006-12-31 11:38 [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server Chuanwen Wu
@ 2006-12-31 14:03 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2007-01-01 5:14 ` Chuanwen Wu
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From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. @ 2006-12-31 14:03 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:38, "Chuanwen Wu" <wcw8410@gmail.com> wrote
about '[gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server':
> I want to install gentoo in my Hewlett-Packard server.It's my first
> time to install linux in a server.I want to know that which *.iso I
> should download and burn into the CD?
HP has sold (at least) 2 different architectures in their server lines.
What CPU does the system have, or if you don't know, what's the model
number?
--
"If there's one thing we've established over the years,
it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
-- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2006-12-31 14:03 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
@ 2007-01-01 5:14 ` Chuanwen Wu
2007-01-01 5:35 ` Rod
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Chuanwen Wu @ 2007-01-01 5:14 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
2006/12/31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <bss03@volumehost.net>:
> On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:38, "Chuanwen Wu" <wcw8410@gmail.com> wrote
> about '[gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server':
> > I want to install gentoo in my Hewlett-Packard server.It's my first
> > time to install linux in a server.I want to know that which *.iso I
> > should download and burn into the CD?
>
> HP has sold (at least) 2 different architectures in their server lines.
> What CPU does the system have, or if you don't know, what's the model
> number?
The cpu is Intel 3.0G,Dual core.
>
> --
> "If there's one thing we've established over the years,
> it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
> clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
> -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh
>
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-01 5:14 ` Chuanwen Wu
@ 2007-01-01 5:35 ` Rod
2007-01-02 7:46 ` Chuanwen Wu
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Rod @ 2007-01-01 5:35 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Chuanwen Wu wrote:
> 2006/12/31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <bss03@volumehost.net>:
>
>> On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:38, "Chuanwen Wu" <wcw8410@gmail.com>
>> wrote
>> about '[gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server':
>> > I want to install gentoo in my Hewlett-Packard server.It's my first
>> > time to install linux in a server.I want to know that which *.iso I
>> > should download and burn into the CD?
>>
>> HP has sold (at least) 2 different architectures in their server lines.
>> What CPU does the system have, or if you don't know, what's the model
>> number?
>
> The cpu is Intel 3.0G,Dual core.
You will want the Live ISO image for a x86 install.
The HPPA won't run on x86, but it will run on he PA8000 cpu arch,
the same CPU as the HP Visualize C180 I have sitting here.
The Intel 3.0G Dual Core? Hmmm, that would be the 3.0G -D
processor, as I don't know of any "Duo Core" hitting or exceeding 3GHz,
I have a E6600 Duo core, and it will run the x86-32 and x86-64 arch's
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-01 5:35 ` Rod
@ 2007-01-02 7:46 ` Chuanwen Wu
2007-01-02 15:56 ` Dan
2007-01-02 16:13 ` Dan
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Chuanwen Wu @ 2007-01-02 7:46 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Here is the hardware of my machine which I got it from Windows:
CPU:
Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz
Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz(双核)
Disk driver:
HP LOGICAL VOLUME SCSI DISK DEVICE
Ethernet:
HP NC7782 Gigabit server Adapter
Video card:
RAGE XL PCI Family
2007/1/1, Rod <snaketails@optusnet.com.au>:
> Chuanwen Wu wrote:
>
> > 2006/12/31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <bss03@volumehost.net>:
> >
> >> On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:38, "Chuanwen Wu" <wcw8410@gmail.com>
> >> wrote
> >> about '[gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server':
> >> > I want to install gentoo in my Hewlett-Packard server.It's my first
> >> > time to install linux in a server.I want to know that which *.iso I
> >> > should download and burn into the CD?
> >>
> >> HP has sold (at least) 2 different architectures in their server lines.
> >> What CPU does the system have, or if you don't know, what's the model
> >> number?
> >
> > The cpu is Intel 3.0G,Dual core.
>
>
> You will want the Live ISO image for a x86 install.
I have tried to install with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".First
time,my machine can enter gnome,but in the way of the installing the
error occure(when installing grub):
BootloadError:FATAL:__map_device_to_grub_device:ERROR,
could not map /dev/cciss/c0d0 to anything in the device map
Then I couldn't enter the livecd anymore.Everytime I boot from the
livecd,my machine would stop at :
coldpluging pci devices
even after I switched another CD-ROM.
Now ,what should I do? Burn another liveCD?Or.................
>
> The HPPA won't run on x86, but it will run on he PA8000 cpu arch,
> the same CPU as the HP Visualize C180 I have sitting here.
>
> The Intel 3.0G Dual Core? Hmmm, that would be the 3.0G -D
> processor, as I don't know of any "Duo Core" hitting or exceeding 3GHz,
> I have a E6600 Duo core, and it will run the x86-32 and x86-64 arch's
>
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
Expert your advices!
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-02 7:46 ` Chuanwen Wu
@ 2007-01-02 15:56 ` Dan
2007-01-02 16:13 ` Dan
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Dan @ 2007-01-02 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:46:59 +0800
"Chuanwen Wu" <wcw8410@gmail.com> wrote:
The command line installer is highly recommended, as it is more likely
to boot on a given (especially uncommon) computer and is a more
trustworthy install method.
> Here is the hardware of my machine which I got it from Windows:
> CPU:
> Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz
> Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz(双核)
> Disk driver:
> HP LOGICAL VOLUME SCSI DISK DEVICE
> Ethernet:
> HP NC7782 Gigabit server Adapter
> Video card:
> RAGE XL PCI Family
>
> 2007/1/1, Rod <snaketails@optusnet.com.au>:
> > Chuanwen Wu wrote:
> >
> > > 2006/12/31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <bss03@volumehost.net>:
> > >
> > >> On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:38, "Chuanwen Wu"
> > >> <wcw8410@gmail.com> wrote
> > >> about '[gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server':
> > >> > I want to install gentoo in my Hewlett-Packard server.It's my
> > >> > first time to install linux in a server.I want to know that
> > >> > which *.iso I should download and burn into the CD?
> > >>
> > >> HP has sold (at least) 2 different architectures in their server
> > >> lines. What CPU does the system have, or if you don't know,
> > >> what's the model number?
> > >
> > > The cpu is Intel 3.0G,Dual core.
> >
> >
> > You will want the Live ISO image for a x86 install.
> I have tried to install with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".First
> time,my machine can enter gnome,but in the way of the installing the
> error occure(when installing grub):
>
> BootloadError:FATAL:__map_device_to_grub_device:ERROR,
> could not map /dev/cciss/c0d0 to anything in the device map
>
> Then I couldn't enter the livecd anymore.Everytime I boot from the
> livecd,my machine would stop at :
> coldpluging pci devices
>
> even after I switched another CD-ROM.
>
> Now ,what should I do? Burn another liveCD?Or.................
>
> >
> > The HPPA won't run on x86, but it will run on he PA8000 cpu
> > arch, the same CPU as the HP Visualize C180 I have sitting here.
> >
> > The Intel 3.0G Dual Core? Hmmm, that would be the 3.0G -D
> > processor, as I don't know of any "Duo Core" hitting or exceeding
> > 3GHz, I have a E6600 Duo core, and it will run the x86-32 and
> > x86-64 arch's
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
> Expert your advices!
>
--
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-02 7:46 ` Chuanwen Wu
2007-01-02 15:56 ` Dan
@ 2007-01-02 16:13 ` Dan
2007-01-03 7:55 ` Chuanwen Wu
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Dan @ 2007-01-02 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:46:59 +0800
"Chuanwen Wu" <wcw8410@gmail.com> wrote:
The command line installer is highly recommended, as it is more likely
to boot on a given (especially uncommon) computer and is a more
trustworthy install method.
> Here is the hardware of my machine which I got it from Windows:
> CPU:
> Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz
> Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz(双核)
> Disk driver:
> HP LOGICAL VOLUME SCSI DISK DEVICE
> Ethernet:
> HP NC7782 Gigabit server Adapter
> Video card:
> RAGE XL PCI Family
>
> 2007/1/1, Rod <snaketails@optusnet.com.au>:
> > Chuanwen Wu wrote:
> >
> > > 2006/12/31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <bss03@volumehost.net>:
> > >
> > >> On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:38, "Chuanwen Wu"
> > >> <wcw8410@gmail.com> wrote
> > >> about '[gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server':
> > >> > I want to install gentoo in my Hewlett-Packard server.It's my
> > >> > first time to install linux in a server.I want to know that
> > >> > which *.iso I should download and burn into the CD?
> > >>
> > >> HP has sold (at least) 2 different architectures in their server
> > >> lines. What CPU does the system have, or if you don't know,
> > >> what's the model number?
> > >
> > > The cpu is Intel 3.0G,Dual core.
> >
> >
> > You will want the Live ISO image for a x86 install.
> I have tried to install with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".First
> time,my machine can enter gnome,but in the way of the installing the
> error occure(when installing grub):
>
> BootloadError:FATAL:__map_device_to_grub_device:ERROR,
> could not map /dev/cciss/c0d0 to anything in the device map
>
> Then I couldn't enter the livecd anymore.Everytime I boot from the
> livecd,my machine would stop at :
> coldpluging pci devices
>
> even after I switched another CD-ROM.
>
> Now ,what should I do? Burn another liveCD?Or.................
>
> >
> > The HPPA won't run on x86, but it will run on he PA8000 cpu
> > arch, the same CPU as the HP Visualize C180 I have sitting here.
> >
> > The Intel 3.0G Dual Core? Hmmm, that would be the 3.0G -D
> > processor, as I don't know of any "Duo Core" hitting or exceeding
> > 3GHz, I have a E6600 Duo core, and it will run the x86-32 and
> > x86-64 arch's
> >
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> >
> Expert your advices!
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-02 16:13 ` Dan
@ 2007-01-03 7:55 ` Chuanwen Wu
2007-01-03 9:32 ` Andrey Gerasimenko
` (2 more replies)
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From: Chuanwen Wu @ 2007-01-03 7:55 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Oh,God!
I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned
another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".
The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which
appears at 68%'s progress.
Now my machine has a Windows2003,so is there any way that I can
install gentoo in Windows?
2007/1/3, Dan <dan@spore.ath.cx>:
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:46:59 +0800
> "Chuanwen Wu" <wcw8410@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The command line installer is highly recommended, as it is more likely
> to boot on a given (especially uncommon) computer and is a more
> trustworthy install method.
>
>
> > Here is the hardware of my machine which I got it from Windows:
> > CPU:
> > Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz
> > Intel(R) Xeon (TM)CPU 3.0GHz(双核)
> > Disk driver:
> > HP LOGICAL VOLUME SCSI DISK DEVICE
> > Ethernet:
> > HP NC7782 Gigabit server Adapter
> > Video card:
> > RAGE XL PCI Family
> >
> > 2007/1/1, Rod <snaketails@optusnet.com.au>:
> > > Chuanwen Wu wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2006/12/31, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. <bss03@volumehost.net>:
> > > >
> > > >> On Sunday 31 December 2006 05:38, "Chuanwen Wu"
> > > >> <wcw8410@gmail.com> wrote
> > > >> about '[gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server':
> > > >> > I want to install gentoo in my Hewlett-Packard server.It's my
> > > >> > first time to install linux in a server.I want to know that
> > > >> > which *.iso I should download and burn into the CD?
> > > >>
> > > >> HP has sold (at least) 2 different architectures in their server
> > > >> lines. What CPU does the system have, or if you don't know,
> > > >> what's the model number?
> > > >
> > > > The cpu is Intel 3.0G,Dual core.
> > >
> > >
> > > You will want the Live ISO image for a x86 install.
> > I have tried to install with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".First
> > time,my machine can enter gnome,but in the way of the installing the
> > error occure(when installing grub):
> >
> > BootloadError:FATAL:__map_device_to_grub_device:ERROR,
> > could not map /dev/cciss/c0d0 to anything in the device map
> >
> > Then I couldn't enter the livecd anymore.Everytime I boot from the
> > livecd,my machine would stop at :
> > coldpluging pci devices
> >
> > even after I switched another CD-ROM.
> >
> > Now ,what should I do? Burn another liveCD?Or.................
> >
> > >
> > > The HPPA won't run on x86, but it will run on he PA8000 cpu
> > > arch, the same CPU as the HP Visualize C180 I have sitting here.
> > >
> > > The Intel 3.0G Dual Core? Hmmm, that would be the 3.0G -D
> > > processor, as I don't know of any "Duo Core" hitting or exceeding
> > > 3GHz, I have a E6600 Duo core, and it will run the x86-32 and
> > > x86-64 arch's
> > >
> > > --
> > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> > >
> > >
> > Expert your advices!
> >
>
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-03 7:55 ` Chuanwen Wu
@ 2007-01-03 9:32 ` Andrey Gerasimenko
2007-01-03 17:50 ` Dan
2007-01-03 9:56 ` Alan McKinnon
2007-01-03 14:58 ` Michal 'vorner' Vaner
2 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Andrey Gerasimenko @ 2007-01-03 9:32 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:55:50 +0300, Chuanwen Wu <wcw8410@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh,God!
> I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned
> another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".
> The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which
> appears at 68%'s progress.
>
> Now my machine has a Windows2003,so is there any way that I can
> install gentoo in Windows?
You may install Gentoo from any live CD. I installed mine from Knoppix,
but it looks like any live CD will do.
I also do not see how Windows 2003 or whatever being installed can prevent
your system from booting a CD. Much more likely, it is a hardware or BIOS
(not likely, but still a better guess than Windows). You may try to remove
all PCI devices except the video card and try to boot the CD again.
--
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-03 7:55 ` Chuanwen Wu
2007-01-03 9:32 ` Andrey Gerasimenko
@ 2007-01-03 9:56 ` Alan McKinnon
2007-01-03 14:58 ` Michal 'vorner' Vaner
2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2007-01-03 9:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 09:55, Chuanwen Wu wrote:
> Oh,God!
> I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned
> another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".
> The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which
> appears at 68%'s progress.
You have some kind of pci device that is not playing nicely with the
LiveCD. Perhaps a kernel module is starting with the wrong parameters,
or there is a bug, or whatever.
Remove all pci devices except ones you need and try various sensible
combinations in a sensible order to narrow down the device that is
problematic.
When the CD first boots, there is a splash screen where you can select
which kernel to use and various options. If I remember correctly it's
on the F2 key. Have a look there at stuff that can be disabled - acpi
is a common culprit so try that first
> Now my machine has a Windows2003,so is there any way that I can
> install gentoo in Windows?
No.
alan
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-03 7:55 ` Chuanwen Wu
2007-01-03 9:32 ` Andrey Gerasimenko
2007-01-03 9:56 ` Alan McKinnon
@ 2007-01-03 14:58 ` Michal 'vorner' Vaner
2 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michal 'vorner' Vaner @ 2007-01-03 14:58 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 03:55:50PM +0800, Chuanwen Wu wrote:
> Oh,God!
> I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned
> another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".
> The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which
> appears at 68%'s progress.
Try disabling autodetection (one of parameters, see help before it
boots).
> Now my machine has a Windows2003,so is there any way that I can
> install gentoo in Windows?
Yes, you can get an amulator and run virtual machine, even under
Windows. However, I guess you do not really want to compile it all in
emulated machine…
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-03 9:32 ` Andrey Gerasimenko
@ 2007-01-03 17:50 ` Dan
2007-01-04 8:22 ` Chuanwen Wu
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Dan @ 2007-01-03 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:32:08 +0300
"Andrey Gerasimenko" <gak@kaluga.ru> wrote:
use: nodetect nosmp and noapci noapic
set on using the livecd? Perhaps you'd have better luck with a
minimal.
> On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:55:50 +0300, Chuanwen Wu <wcw8410@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Oh,God!
> > I can't start my machine with the livecd anymore even I have burned
> > another livecd with "livecd-i686-installer-2006.1.iso".
> > The error is still all the same:"coldpluging pci devices",which
> > appears at 68%'s progress.
>
> You may install Gentoo from any live CD. I installed mine from
> Knoppix, but it looks like any live CD will do.
> I also do not see how Windows 2003 or whatever being installed can
> prevent your system from booting a CD. Much more likely, it is a
> hardware or BIOS (not likely, but still a better guess than Windows).
> You may try to remove all PCI devices except the video card and try
> to boot the CD again.
>
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* Re: [gentoo-user] install CD of Hewlett-Packard server
2007-01-03 17:50 ` Dan
@ 2007-01-04 8:22 ` Chuanwen Wu
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Chuanwen Wu @ 2007-01-04 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Thank you all guys!
I can enter my gentoo with livecd with the parameter "gentoo noapic",now.
The livecd of Gentoo is so powerful!
Thank all of you!
--
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