From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1H1gX8-00086b-Sc for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 02 Jan 2007 10:06:15 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id l02A0YD8018603; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:00:34 GMT Received: from cranium.sybase.co.za (sqlprd.sybase.co.za [192.96.139.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l029vRcG024877 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:57:28 GMT Received: from localhost (cranium.sybase.co.za [127.0.0.1]) by cranium.sybase.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABBA83432 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:03:10 +0200 (SAST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at sybase.co.za Received: from cranium.sybase.co.za ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (cranium.sybase.co.za [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b6sY5pcn5LAh for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:03:02 +0200 (SAST) Received: from bard.sybase.co.za (bard.sybase.co.za [192.168.2.6]) by cranium.sybase.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A33A83433 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:03:02 +0200 (SAST) Received: from [192.168.2.73] ([192.168.2.73]) by bard.sybase.co.za with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:59:17 +0200 From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: anti-portage wreckage? Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:58:52 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <89646b4a0612241752i127b3c29iec9f88687085c6c@mail.gmail.com> <4598668C.6000800@ep.mine.nu> <89646b4a0612311834o6a5928bcsaf0c6e57921a038c@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <89646b4a0612311834o6a5928bcsaf0c6e57921a038c@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200701021158.52638.alan@linuxholdings.co.za> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2007 09:59:17.0236 (UTC) FILETIME=[AA488B40:01C72E54] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id l029vRcG024877 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id l02A0YDb018603 X-Archives-Salt: 5735637c-8102-46de-a5ce-f06c3278a442 X-Archives-Hash: 19bf5fec9cb3ad78d54c26e363261377 On Monday 01 January 2007 04:34, Mike Myers wrote: > The update system is the -only- nice thing about it over Gentoo. > =A0Debian is nowhere near Gentoo when it comes to everything else > (especially docs). =A0I don't think suggesting a single feature that > another distro has and putting into Gentoo is trying to make it a > clone. =A0I'm just asking for a relief from having to constantly worry > if updating something out of the 300 packages that need updated is > going to break something, and not having to make sure etc-update > isn't going to destroy my custom configs afterwards. =A0If it wasn't > for that, Gentoo would be perfect. =A0I'm sure there's got to be others > that would agree. At this point it might be helpful to revisit what gentoo really *is* in=20 engineering terms Gentoo is not an off-the-shelf, commodity, we-do-everything-for-you and=20 you don't have to think (much) distro, it's in a completely different=20 class. The devs have given up the ability to configure things a certain=20 way and handed that control over to you. You get increased=20 customizability but have to pay the price of increased knowledge and=20 responsibility, including that you get to keep both pieces when you=20 break it. Red Hat and Ubuntu can do all these tests for you, the gentoo devs can't=20 (except in some very broad cases like package-1.0 is config-file=20 incompatible with package-2.x), so we gentoo-users have to do these=20 tests ourselves. Remember the old joke: "We can make it cheaply, quickly, correctly. Pick=20 any two." You have a case like this, maybe it's time to just get over=20 it :-) alan --=20 gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list