[gentoo-user] gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[gentoo-user] gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Enrico Weigelt]

Hi folks,


I'm currently updating an system which hasn't been updated for 
several weeks. For building gtk+ it now wants to install 
the X-server !

Is this problem already known ?


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Re: [gentoo-user] gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Uwe Thiem]

On 30 December 2006 08:01, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
>
> I'm currently updating an system which hasn't been updated for
> several weeks. For building gtk+ it now wants to install
> the X-server !
>
> Is this problem already known ?

How is that a problem?

Since gtk+ is a GUI labrary, it needs X.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Леонид Моргун]

> Hi folks,
>
>
> I'm currently updating an system which hasn't been updated for
> several weeks. For building gtk+ it now wants to install
> the X-server !
>
> Is this problem already known ?
>
>
> cu
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Just check your use flags end compile gtk+ with USE="-X"
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Re: [gentoo-user] gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Enrico Weigelt]

* ???????????? ???????????? <morgunl@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Just check your use flags end compile gtk+ with USE="-X"

perhaps you misunderstood me:
It pulls in the X-*SERVER*. 
Of course it requires the client libraries, but that's not 
the point .


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[gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Grant Edwards]

On 2006-12-30, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
> * ???????????? ???????????? <morgunl@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Just check your use flags end compile gtk+ with USE="-X"
>
> perhaps you misunderstood me:
> It pulls in the X-*SERVER*. 
> Of course it requires the client libraries, but that's not 
> the point .

Sure seems wrong to me...

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Re: [gentoo-user] gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Saturday 30 December 2006 16:15, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > Just check your use flags end compile gtk+ with USE="-X"
>
> perhaps you misunderstood me:
> It pulls in the X-*SERVER*.
> Of course it requires the client libraries, but that's not
> the point .

No, there is no misunderstanding here. Just disable the X flag for gtk+ and it 
won't pull in xorg-server. If you have more problems with the usage of 
portage be sure to include the output of emerge with the --tree switch.

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[gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Grant Edwards]

On 2006-12-30, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:

>>> Just check your use flags end compile gtk+ with USE=3D"-X"
>>
>> perhaps you misunderstood me:
>> It pulls in the X-*SERVER*.
>> Of course it requires the client libraries, but that's not
>> the point .
>
> No, there is no misunderstanding here. Just disable the X flag
> for gtk+ and it won't pull in xorg-server.

I thought the -X flag meant not to build features that depend
on X11 client support?  What's that got to do with whether a
server is installed or not?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Saturday 30 December 2006 17:35, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > No, there is no misunderstanding here. Just disable the X flag
> > for gtk+ and it won't pull in xorg-server.
>
> I thought the -X flag meant not to build features that depend
> on X11 client support?  What's that got to do with whether a
> server is installed or not?

The X use flag is quite overloaded. It's exact meaning varies with different 
types of packages. In the gtk+ case it just pulls the xorg-server.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:

> The X use flag is quite overloaded. It's exact meaning varies 
> with different types of packages. In the gtk+ case it just 
> pulls the xorg-server.

Where exactly is this defined ? The X useflag doesnt seem
to appear in the gtk ebuild.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Sunday 31 December 2006 03:44, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> > The X use flag is quite overloaded. It's exact meaning varies
> > with different types of packages. In the gtk+ case it just
> > pulls the xorg-server.
>
> Where exactly is this defined ? The X useflag doesnt seem
> to appear in the gtk ebuild.

In the virtualx eclass which the gtk+ ebuild inherits [1].

# grep virtualx `portageq portdir`/x11-libs/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.6.ebuild
inherit gnome.org flag-o-matic eutils debug autotools virtualx

# grep 'X?' `portageq portdir`/eclass/virtualx.eclass
DEPEND="X? ( || ( x11-base/xorg-server virtual/x11 ) )"

[1] http://devmanual.gentoo.org/ebuild-writing/using-eclasses/index.html

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:

> In the virtualx eclass which the gtk+ ebuild inherits [1].
> 
> # grep virtualx `portageq portdir`/x11-libs/gtk+/gtk+-2.10.6.ebuild
> inherit gnome.org flag-o-matic eutils debug autotools virtualx
> 
> # grep 'X?' `portageq portdir`/eclass/virtualx.eclass
> DEPEND="X? ( || ( x11-base/xorg-server virtual/x11 ) )"

By reading the virtualx.eclass file, I really wonder what this 
is necessary for. Why is an X server needed to build gtk ?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Richard Fish]

On 12/31/06, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de> wrote:
> By reading the virtualx.eclass file, I really wonder what this
> is necessary for. Why is an X server needed to build gtk ?

You tell us:

echo "x11-base/xorg-server" >> /etc/portage/package.provided
emerge --oneshot x11-libs/gtk+

Then see what breaks.  Don't forget to fix your system by removing the
xorg-server from package.provided when you are done.

-Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:23:07 +0100, Enrico Weigelt wrote:

> By reading the virtualx.eclass file, I really wonder what this 
> is necessary for. Why is an X server needed to build gtk ?

Clearly it is not needed, otherwise it wouldn't be optional.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:23:07 +0100, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> 
> > By reading the virtualx.eclass file, I really wonder what this 
> > is necessary for. Why is an X server needed to build gtk ?
> 
> Clearly it is not needed, otherwise it wouldn't be optional.

But what exactly does it bring us ? (besides lots of confusion ?)
Does it make any bit of sense pulling in an X server for building
packages like GTK ?

Would it do any harm removing this stuff from the ebuild ?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Bruno Espinoza]

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GTK (www.gtk.org) is a graphic interface library. It was used to create The
GIMP and for writing GNOME. Obiously, this programs need a Windows System in
order to run. And thats why it need the X Window System (Xorg) in order to
compile succesfully. Have you ever see The GIMP in a terminal? I don't think
so.

2007/1/6, Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@metux.de>:
>
> * Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:
> > On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:23:07 +0100, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> >
> > > By reading the virtualx.eclass file, I really wonder what this
> > > is necessary for. Why is an X server needed to build gtk ?
> >
> > Clearly it is not needed, otherwise it wouldn't be optional.
>
> But what exactly does it bring us ? (besides lots of confusion ?)
> Does it make any bit of sense pulling in an X server for building
> packages like GTK ?
>
> Would it do any harm removing this stuff from the ebuild ?
>
>
> cu
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 10 January 2007 06:48, Bruno Espinoza wrote:
> Obiously, this programs need a Windows System in
> order to run.

Sure. On the client system. Which doesn't have to be on the same system as the 
gtk app is installed on.

> And thats why it need the X Window System (Xorg) in order to 
> compile succesfully.

Nope. It only needs it for the tests after successfull compilation.

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[gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-01-10, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:
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> On Wednesday 10 January 2007 06:48, Bruno Espinoza wrote:
>> Obiously, this programs need a Windows System in
>> order to run.
>
> Sure. On the client system.

Actually the gtk app _is_ the client system.  The system with
the Xorg server that's displaying windows reading the mouse
device is the server system.

> Which doesn't have to be on the same system as the gtk app is
> installed on.

Correct.  The X server (Xorg server) and X client (gtk app) may
be on different machines.

>> And thats why it need the X Window System (Xorg) in order to 
>> compile succesfully.
>
> Nope. It only needs it for the tests after successfull compilation.

Which seems rather bogus to me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 10 January 2007 15:39, Grant Edwards wrote:
> > Nope. It only needs it for the tests after successfull compilation.
>
> Which seems rather bogus to me.

I'd agree that it would be better to have it depend on "test" use flag. But 
bogus?

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[gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Grant Edwards]

On 2007-01-10, Bruno Espinoza <bruno32@gmail.com> wrote:

> GTK (www.gtk.org) is a graphic interface library. It was used
> to create The GIMP and for writing GNOME. Obiously, this
> programs need a Windows System in order to run.

Obviously wrong.  They need X _client_libraries_ to run.  There
is not requirement that an X server be installed on the machine
where the client is installed.

> And thats why it need the X Window System (Xorg) in order to
> compile succesfully.

That's bullshit.

> Have you ever see The GIMP in a terminal? I don't think so.

I have many times seen X apps running with the X server on a
different machine than the client.  X is net-work transparent.
X applications can be run with the X server and X client on
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: gtk+ wants to install xorg-server

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Saturday 06 January 2007 18:57, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
> But what exactly does it bring us ? (besides lots of confusion ?)
> Does it make any bit of sense pulling in an X server for building
> packages like GTK ?
>
> Would it do any harm removing this stuff from the ebuild ?

It's needed if you have FEATURES=test.

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=137468
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140227
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=157998

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