[gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[Gabriel Rossetti]

Hello,

I recently switched to ~x86 and with it to xorg 7.x. I saw that the xkb 
syntax changed, so I updated it accordingly,
but now I can't switch to VT's anymore. I searched google but all the 
solutions didn't apply to me, since they hadn't
updated their xorg.conf. I use diff. keyboard mappings, us-basic, 
us-international and swiss-french. I checked the
xorg logs and it has no xkb problems. Here are my xorg keyboard settings :

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier      "Keyboard0"
        Driver          "kbd"
        Option          "AutoRepeat"    "500 30"
        Option          "XkbLayout"     "us,us,ch"
        Option          "XkbVariant"    "basic,intl,fr"
        Option          "XkbModel"      "pc105"
        Option          "XkbOptions"    
"grp:lwin_toggle,grp_led:num,eurosign:e"
EndSection

does anyone have an idea as of why this is happening? If use only 
us-basic it
works fine (I haven't tried only swiss-french, but a colleague uses it 
and has no problems).

Thank you,
Gabriel Rossetti

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Re: [gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[Benno Schulenberg]

Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
> I recently switched to ~x86 and with it to xorg 7.x.

Are you sure it's due to upgrading Xorg and not Gnome?
See  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/175870

> I saw that 
> the xkb syntax changed, so I updated it accordingly,
> but now I can't switch to VT's anymore.

When using almost exactly your arrangement it works fine here.

$ setxkbmap -print
xkb_keymap {
        xkb_keycodes  { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)"       };
        xkb_types     { include "complete"      };
        xkb_compat    { include "complete+lednum(group_lock)"   };
        xkb_symbols   { include 
"pc(pc104)+us(basic)+us(intl):2+ch(fr):3+group(ctrls_toggle)+level3
(win_switch)+ctrl(nocaps)+compose(menu)+eurosign(e)"  };
        xkb_geometry  { include "pc(pc104)"     };
};

If it's not the failing Gnome daemon, maybe it is Gnome interfering 
in some other way with the keyboard?  Here I had to switch off all 
things in KDE's Control Center > Regional > Keyboard Layout to make 
the settings in xorg.conf work.

Benno
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Re: [gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[Gabriel Rossetti]

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Hello, sorry for the long wait to reply, I switched to E17 and I have 
the same problem
as with Gnome, still can switch to a VT...

Ifr I open a term and try the usual Ctrl + Alt + F1 to F7 key combination
I get :

PQRS;7~;7~;7~

Which I don't ever remember getting in the past. I tried killing
gnome-settings-manager but that doesn't change anything either.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Gabriel

Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
>   
>> I recently switched to ~x86 and with it to xorg 7.x.
>>     
>
> Are you sure it's due to upgrading Xorg and not Gnome?
> See  http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/175870
>
>   
>> I saw that 
>> the xkb syntax changed, so I updated it accordingly,
>> but now I can't switch to VT's anymore.
>>     
>
> When using almost exactly your arrangement it works fine here.
>
> $ setxkbmap -print
> xkb_keymap {
>         xkb_keycodes  { include "xfree86+aliases(qwerty)"       };
>         xkb_types     { include "complete"      };
>         xkb_compat    { include "complete+lednum(group_lock)"   };
>         xkb_symbols   { include 
> "pc(pc104)+us(basic)+us(intl):2+ch(fr):3+group(ctrls_toggle)+level3
> (win_switch)+ctrl(nocaps)+compose(menu)+eurosign(e)"  };
>         xkb_geometry  { include "pc(pc104)"     };
> };
>
> If it's not the failing Gnome daemon, maybe it is Gnome interfering 
> in some other way with the keyboard?  Here I had to switch off all 
> things in KDE's Control Center > Regional > Keyboard Layout to make 
> the settings in xorg.conf work.
>
> Benno
>   

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Re: [gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2007-01-08 at 09:01 +0100, Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
> Hello, sorry for the long wait to reply, I switched to E17 and I have
> the same problem
> as with Gnome, still can switch to a VT...
> 
> Ifr I open a term and try the usual Ctrl + Alt + F1 to F7 key
> combination
> I get : 
> 
> PQRS;7~;7~;7~
> 
> Which I don't ever remember getting in the past. I tried killing 
> gnome-settings-manager but that doesn't change anything either.
> 
> Any ideas?


are you using a keyboard where the Fx keys double up?  Look for an Flock
key somewhere, and see if that helps...

just a wild idea...
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Re: [gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[Benno Schulenberg]

Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
> have the same problem
> as with Gnome, still can[not] switch to a VT...
>
> If I open a term and try the usual Ctrl + Alt + F1 to F7 key
> combination I get :
>
> PQRS;7~;7~;7~

First: stop top-posting.

  A: Because it messes up the order in which people read text.
  Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
  A: Top-posting.
  Q: What is the most annoying thing on mailing lists?

Second: re-emerge xf86-input-keyboard, xkeyboard-config, and 
xkbcomp.  Then restart X.

If then it still doesn't work, show the output of 
'setxkbmap -print' and 'emerge --info'.

Benno
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Re: [gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[Gabriel Rossetti]

Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
>   
>> have the same problem
>> as with Gnome, still can[not] switch to a VT...
>>
>> If I open a term and try the usual Ctrl + Alt + F1 to F7 key
>> combination I get :
>>
>> PQRS;7~;7~;7~
>>     
>
> First: stop top-posting.
>
>   A: Because it messes up the order in which people read text.
>   Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>   A: Top-posting.
>   Q: What is the most annoying thing on mailing lists?
>
> Second: re-emerge xf86-input-keyboard, xkeyboard-config, and 
> xkbcomp.  Then restart X.
>
> If then it still doesn't work, show the output of 
> 'setxkbmap -print' and 'emerge --info'.
>
> Benno
>   

Thank you for your replay Benno, I was not aware that "Top-posting"
was a bad thing, since you can read the last msg first, which is to me
better since I don't want to have to re-read/skip the whole history to read
the last post. But since you raised the subject, I will try to remember 
that.
I do assume that you prefer "Bottom-Posting",  from your reply's
position. Is "Inline-posting" acceptable too?

I am trying out your suggestion, to re-emerge those three packages,
and I'll keep keep you up to date with how that goes.

Thanks again,
Gabriel
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Re: [gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[Gabriel Rossetti]

Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
>   
>> have the same problem
>> as with Gnome, still can[not] switch to a VT...
>>
>> If I open a term and try the usual Ctrl + Alt + F1 to F7 key
>> combination I get :
>>
>> PQRS;7~;7~;7~
>>     
>
> First: stop top-posting.
>
>   A: Because it messes up the order in which people read text.
>   Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>   A: Top-posting.
>   Q: What is the most annoying thing on mailing lists?
>
> Second: re-emerge xf86-input-keyboard, xkeyboard-config, and 
> xkbcomp.  Then restart X.
>
> If then it still doesn't work, show the output of 
> 'setxkbmap -print' and 'emerge --info'.
>
> Benno
>   

Ok, it worked great! Thanks Benno and all the rest for your 
help/suggestions!

Gabriel
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Re: [gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[Allan Gottlieb]

At Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:42:32 +0100 Gabriel Rossetti <rossettigab@charter.net> wrote:

> Thank you for your replay Benno, I was not aware that "Top-posting"
> was a bad thing, since you can read the last msg first, which is to me
> better since I don't want to have to re-read/skip the whole history to read
> the last post.

This point has merit when it is a personal conversation between two
people.  Although I still bottom reply in those cases (or inline reply
as you would say), I can see why top replying is not so bad.
However, for mailing lists where there are many readers, a
number of whom have not been actively following the thread, bottom
posting is annoying.

Also I save some message from this group as reference to be read much
later if I encounter a similar problem.  Then bottom-posting is
considerably better.

thanks,
allan
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Re: [gentoo-user] can no longer switch to a VT - OT

[Benno Schulenberg]

Gabriel Rossetti wrote:
> Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> > First: stop top-posting.
>
> I was not aware that
> "Top-posting" was a bad thing, since you can read the last msg
> first,

Sure, but then you have to spaghetti first down, then up, then maybe 
down again to read closer, up again...  Do you want to make people 
crazy?  :)

> which is to me better since I don't want to have to 
> re-read/skip the whole history to read the last post.

There's no need to skip the whole history when the person whose post 
you're reading has snipped well: only the relevant stuff is there.

> I do assume that you prefer "Bottom-Posting",  from your reply's
> position. Is "Inline-posting" acceptable too?

Inline-posting is what's needed.  Just quoting the whole previous 
post and then adding your answer at the bottom is no good either: 
first snip everything that you're not reacting to.

Glad that the re-emerging worked, though.

Benno

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