From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GpiP3-0005wd-7L for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:40:25 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id kAU9Xuhu016509; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:33:56 GMT Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.171]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kAU9SY7w024378 for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:28:34 GMT Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id z38so2046405ugc for ; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:28:34 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:reply-to:to:subject:date:user-agent:references:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:message-id; b=LMZQ/9aZwz67vR6YLvzpc+Z0hQdTOHZEFUzD3F+oRen4QrVvKY6DeZA01TJ50YcPPvQESC/6sCGMFUf1qSerhNGQfxidYfX4MrffRzNBbytzbAnyUAjPT9mnrO68F6MWLz6l+LW4VEXGuQaWm4E9VO1KjF5k4Wa7Tod4yMRIkfM= Received: by 10.66.232.9 with SMTP id e9mr5047230ugh.1164878913672; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:28:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from lappy ( [86.140.42.138]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x37sm2179440ugc.2006.11.30.01.28.32; Thu, 30 Nov 2006 01:28:33 -0800 (PST) From: Mick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: browser advice Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 08:43:04 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <20061129232426.456dea47.david@blamire-brown.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2020891.Y0ShAxR4ml"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <200611300843.17036.michaelkintzios@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 632a2916-535d-42e7-8423-9df2181e1534 X-Archives-Hash: 2507de1fa6703f9329ae1ee7e6879915 --nextPart2020891.Y0ShAxR4ml Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 30 November 2006 00:46, 7v5w7go9ub0o wrote: > > 1) This version of Opera really seems to struggle with "heavy" pages. Opera takes a bit longer to load fonts other than the default fonts for you= r=20 set up. This happens to me when I come across pages with Chinese type of=20 characters. Once the fonts have been loaded the delay does not occur again= =20 on the same session. > > The whole app slows down, no response to clicks etc, until the page has > > fully rendered. Example of affected page: > > http://funds.ft.com/funds/searchFund.do?symb=3DAQSTG&type=3DF1 > > > > 2) Opera infrequently causes my system to hang completely. I can't ctrl > > +alt+F1 to a terminal screen, I can ctrl+alt+backspace to kill X, I > > can't do anything. It's a hard reboot of the box. Admittedly I'm > > slightly impatient, but I give it 10 secs before hitting reset, > > sometimes longer. I can't categorically state that it's Opera, but I've > > a very strong suspicion. Especially given that I basically use an > > xterm, sylpheed and opera 95% of the time. Opera is usually quite light footed and performs well in resource constrain= ed=20 systems - I've been using it on a 600Hz Pentium III with 125M RAM for years= =20 and have even used it on a Pentium I, with 75M of RAM!!! The only time I h= ad=20 Opera causing *system* crashes was when I had a faulty memory module on my= =20 MoBo. > > 3) Javascript seems fairly broken in Opera - but that could be my fault > > for not setting something up properly. > > JS works great here - perhaps reemerge everything? Ditto. Opera does not handle the JavaScript code that renders dhtml toolba= rs,=20 like certain online field editors use (e.g. the formatting toolbar that com= es=20 up in the gmail composing page for html messages). There might be a couple= =20 more, but not many. > > 4) Some pages just don't render properly in Opera and I have occasion > > to fall back to firefox. As another poster said, it's often badly > > designed banking sites. You need to try: a) setting Referrer on; b) changing the browser identification to M$IE6, or Mozilla to fool the=20 server - Opera will render fine most of M$IE 'optimised' non-standard=20 compliant code; c) accept all cookies - banking sites in particular use a different to thei= r=20 main page verifying server to store cookies from; d) on Opera 9.02 you can set preferences with regards to browser=20 identification, Java & JavaScript, cookies, history, etc. preferences on a= =20 website basis. Banks feed you a couple of web pages with cookies to test=20 your browser and settings before you arrive at the login page. You need to= =20 hit stop in a timely fashion (before the cookie test errors out) and then=20 right click to change the particular page preferences as per a-c above. If after all of the above the page still fails to render properly then the= =20 problem is most likely Opera specific. The Opera forums and newsgroups can= =20 offer a lot of help in resolving particular page rendering issues, either i= n=20 terms of browser settings or in terms of debugging html code. > > 5) Overall though, IMO Opera is a nicer browser to use than firefox. > > Tabbed browsing is implemented in a more effective fashion. Keyboard > > shortcuts are lovely, eg F2 to bring a dialog for typing a URL, which > > can be configured to fire up a new tab is very nice. Shift+F2 allows > > you to have a one key shortcut for favourite bookmarks (again firing > > up a new tab). Sidebar is far more effective in Opera. Obviously > > personal preference, but I much prefer it. I particularly like/use the save session feature (takes a snapshot of all y= our=20 open tabs/pages and settings for future use), page tiling, the FastForward= =20 button to scroll through subsequent pages without having to return back to= =20 the Home page of a website, the launch menu which allows you to continue fr= om=20 your last session, etc. In mail client terms I like the self-learning spam= =20 filter, powerful search, custom views (sort of folders/filters in other=20 clients) and in particular I like view mail messages in threaded view. I=20 wish I could find a way to make Kmail show mail messages in threaded view=20 like it does in Knode - any hints? > IMHO, Opera loads MUCH faster, and surfs much faster as well. ALSO, it is > easy to put Opera in a Chroot Jail; FF is a PITA to put into a jail. chroot jail!?? Can you please share a link for this? Sounds interesting. = :) =2D-=20 Regards, Mick --nextPart2020891.Y0ShAxR4ml Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFbpmk5Fp0QerLYPcRAgIqAJ9xYuNgNT1QFYMMi4ofZlarfhxYXgCgnpXP gWbvA/rVAElgYN+qRDQBICc= =GP2n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart2020891.Y0ShAxR4ml-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list