* [gentoo-user] Error starting Konq after update world
@ 2006-11-07 15:26 reader
2006-11-07 16:53 ` Neil Bothwick
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From: reader @ 2006-11-07 15:26 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
I think this may be a symlink problem but before I start tinkering and
incur more problems maybe someone here knows what problem if behind
this:
Attempting to start konqueror following an `update world' brings up a
dialog box with this error:
There was an error loading the module KHTML. The diagnostics is:
/usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol:
_ZN14KURIFilterData6reinitERK7QString
It was a `Deep' update if that matters.
Does that error ring a bell with anyone?
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 15:26 [gentoo-user] Error starting Konq after update world reader
@ 2006-11-07 16:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2006-11-07 17:55 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
2006-11-07 17:36 ` [gentoo-user] " Hemmann, Volker Armin
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From: Neil Bothwick @ 2006-11-07 16:53 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:26:07 -0600, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Attempting to start konqueror following an `update world'
This is a meaning less statement, all you're saying is "I upgraded some
packages, but I'm not telling you what they were". We'd need to know
which packages were updated for this to be of any use.
> brings up a dialog box with this error:
>
> There was an error loading the module KHTML. The diagnostics is:
> /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol:
> _ZN14KURIFilterData6reinitERK7QString
This is part of kdelibs, so you've probably either updated konqueror or
kdelibs, re-emerge the other one.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 15:26 [gentoo-user] Error starting Konq after update world reader
2006-11-07 16:53 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2006-11-07 17:36 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2006-11-07 18:54 ` Andrey
2006-11-07 18:56 ` Richard Fish
3 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2006-11-07 17:36 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 16:26, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> I think this may be a symlink problem but before I start tinkering and
> incur more problems maybe someone here knows what problem if behind
> this:
>
> Attempting to start konqueror following an `update world' brings up a
> dialog box with this error:
>
> There was an error loading the module KHTML. The diagnostics is:
> /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol:
> _ZN14KURIFilterData6reinitERK7QString
>
> It was a `Deep' update if that matters.
>
> Does that error ring a bell with anyone?
yes, this is a nice example, why deep updates are a bad idea.
re-emerge kdebase or do a revdep-rebuild.
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* [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 16:53 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2006-11-07 17:55 ` reader
2006-11-07 19:23 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
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From: reader @ 2006-11-07 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
For Andrey:
CFLAGS="-O2 -march=i686 -pipe"
Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> writes:
> On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:26:07 -0600, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>> Attempting to start konqueror following an `update world'
>
> This is a meaning less statement, all you're saying is "I upgraded some
> packages, but I'm not telling you what they were". We'd need to know
> which packages were updated for this to be of any use.
I'd hoped someone would have had the same or similar situation and
error before posted piles of data... so no not meaningless.
>> brings up a dialog box with this error:
>>
>> There was an error loading the module KHTML. The diagnostics is:
>> /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol:
>> _ZN14KURIFilterData6reinitERK7QString
>
> This is part of kdelibs, so you've probably either updated konqueror or
> kdelibs, re-emerge the other one.
OK, checking on that. Kdelibs was updated
Checking it out with emerge -vp konqueror I see the basic problem but
not really understanding what it means:
[blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.5* (is blocking
kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.5, kde-base/libkonq-3.5.5,
kde-base/kdialog-3.5.5, kde-base/kfind-3.5.5, kde-base/kdesu-3.5.5,
kde-base/konqueror-3.5.5, kde-base/khelpcenter-3.5.5,
kde-base/kicker-3.5.5, kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.5-r1,
kde-base/kdebase-data-3.5.5, kde-base/kcminit-3.5.3,
kde-base/khotkeys-3.5.5)
Followed by a long string of stuff needing a New install:
[ebuild N ] kde-base/libkonq-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/kfind-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/kdialog-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.5-r1 USE="arts hal samba -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -ldap -openexr -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/kdebase-data-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/kicker-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xcomposite -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/khotkeys-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/kdesu-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 5 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/khelpcenter-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/kcminit-3.5.3 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 23,080 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.5 USE="arts opengl ssl -debug -ieee1394 -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -logitech-mouse -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild N ] kde-base/konqueror-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -java -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -xinerama" 0 kB
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 15:26 [gentoo-user] Error starting Konq after update world reader
2006-11-07 16:53 ` Neil Bothwick
2006-11-07 17:36 ` [gentoo-user] " Hemmann, Volker Armin
@ 2006-11-07 18:54 ` Andrey
2006-11-07 18:56 ` Richard Fish
3 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Andrey @ 2006-11-07 18:54 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 15:26, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> I think this may be a symlink problem but before I start tinkering and
> incur more problems maybe someone here knows what problem if behind
> this:
>
> Attempting to start konqueror following an `update world' brings up a
> dialog box with this error:
>
> There was an error loading the module KHTML. The diagnostics is:
> /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol:
> _ZN14KURIFilterData6reinitERK7QString
>
> It was a `Deep' update if that matters.
>
> Does that error ring a bell with anyone?
Show please your $CFLAGS ?
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 15:26 [gentoo-user] Error starting Konq after update world reader
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2006-11-07 18:54 ` Andrey
@ 2006-11-07 18:56 ` Richard Fish
2006-11-08 4:04 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
3 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Richard Fish @ 2006-11-07 18:56 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 11/7/06, reader@newsguy.com <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
> There was an error loading the module KHTML. The diagnostics is:
> /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol:
> _ZN14KURIFilterData6reinitERK7QString
This looks suspiciously like the kind of thing that can occur if you
build qt with one version of gcc, and libkhtml with a different
version.
What do the following report:
ldd /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4
strings /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml* | grep CXXABI
strings /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.* | grep CXXABI
-Richard
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 17:55 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
@ 2006-11-07 19:23 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2006-11-07 20:15 ` Neil Bothwick
2006-11-07 22:05 ` Andrey
2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2006-11-07 19:23 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
So you used the monolithic ebuilds.
Just re-emerge kdebase.
Don't do anything else.
After that: revdep-rebuilt.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 17:55 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
2006-11-07 19:23 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
@ 2006-11-07 20:15 ` Neil Bothwick
2006-11-08 3:55 ` reader
2006-11-07 22:05 ` Andrey
2 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2006-11-07 20:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 11:55:12 -0600, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> >> Attempting to start konqueror following an `update world'
> >
> > This is a meaningless statement, all you're saying is "I upgraded
> > some packages, but I'm not telling you what they were". We'd need to
> > know which packages were updated for this to be of any use.
>
> I'd hoped someone would have had the same or similar situation and
> error before posted piles of data... so no not meaningless.
Yes, meaningless; update world means the packages on YOUR machine,
matching YOUR arch and dependencies requires by YOUR use flags have been
changed. No one can relate to that without knowing all those settings, or
a simple list of the packages updated with "genlop --list --date
yesterday"
> > This is part of kdelibs, so you've probably either updated konqueror
> > or kdelibs, re-emerge the other one.
>
> OK, checking on that. Kdelibs was updated
>
> Checking it out with emerge -vp konqueror I see the basic problem but
> not really understanding what it means:
>
> [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.5* (is blocking
> kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.5, kde-base/libkonq-3.5.5,
> kde-base/kdialog-3.5.5, kde-base/kfind-3.5.5, kde-base/kdesu-3.5.5,
> kde-base/konqueror-3.5.5, kde-base/khelpcenter-3.5.5,
> kde-base/kicker-3.5.5, kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.5-r1,
[snip]
You're running the monolithic KDE ebuilds, so re-emerge kdebase.
Incidentally, this is one of the situations where the split ebuilds
really pay off, as you'd only have to recompile Konqueror rather than all
the core KDE programs.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 17:55 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
2006-11-07 19:23 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin
2006-11-07 20:15 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2006-11-07 22:05 ` Andrey
2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Andrey @ 2006-11-07 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 17:55, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Checking it out with emerge -vp konqueror I see the basic problem but
> not really understanding what it means:
>
> [blocks B ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.5* (is blocking
> kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.5, kde-base/libkonq-3.5.5,
> kde-base/kdialog-3.5.5, kde-base/kfind-3.5.5, kde-base/kdesu-3.5.5,
> kde-base/konqueror-3.5.5, kde-base/khelpcenter-3.5.5,
> kde-base/kicker-3.5.5, kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.5-r1,
> kde-base/kdebase-data-3.5.5, kde-base/kcminit-3.5.3,
> kde-base/khotkeys-3.5.5)
>
> Followed by a long string of stuff needing a New install:
>
> [ebuild N ] kde-base/libkonq-3.5.5 USE="arts -debug -kdeenablefinal
<skipped>
It goes so because you emerged kdelibs.
It consist of kde-base/kcontrol, kde-base/kdialog, etc...
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* [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 20:15 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2006-11-08 3:55 ` reader
2006-11-08 9:33 ` Neil Bothwick
2006-11-08 11:51 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
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From: reader @ 2006-11-08 3:55 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> writes:
[...]
>> I'd hoped someone would have had the same or similar situation and
>> error before posted piles of data... so no not meaningless.
>
> Yes, meaningless; update world means the packages on YOUR machine,
> matching YOUR arch and dependencies requires by YOUR use flags have been
> changed. No one can relate to that without knowing all those settings, or
> a simple list of the packages updated with "genlop --list --date
> yesterday"
>
Your repeating it ever louder does not make it so. update world
conveys a major update of the entire OS, then follows a very specific
error that I hoped someone would be able to identify.
So no not meaningless,
Were it actually meaningless no one would have been able to help.
I was glad to supply any needed details. Your continued insistance on
this appears to be more about opinion than fact.
> You're running the monolithic KDE ebuilds, so re-emerge kdebase.
> Incidentally, this is one of the situations where the split ebuilds
> really pay off, as you'd only have to recompile Konqueror rather than all
> the core KDE programs.
Thanks, I'll be doing that.
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* [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-07 18:56 ` Richard Fish
@ 2006-11-08 4:04 ` reader
2006-11-08 17:28 ` Richard Fish
0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: reader @ 2006-11-08 4:04 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
"Richard Fish" <bigfish@asmallpond.org> writes:
> On 11/7/06, reader@newsguy.com <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> There was an error loading the module KHTML. The diagnostics is:
>> /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol:
>> _ZN14KURIFilterData6reinitERK7QString
>
> This looks suspiciously like the kind of thing that can occur if you
> build qt with one version of gcc, and libkhtml with a different
> version.
>
> What do the following report:
>
> ldd /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4
> strings /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml* | grep CXXABI
> strings /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.* | grep CXXABI
ldd /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4
linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000)
libkjs.so.1 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkjs.so.1 (0xb7be0000)
libpcreposix.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpcreposix.so.0 (0xb7bde000)
libpcre.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpcre.so.0 (0xb7bc1000)
libkparts.so.2 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkparts.so.2 (0xb7b7c000)
libkdeprint.so.4 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkdeprint.so.4 (0xb7aae000)
libkutils.so.1 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkutils.so.1 (0xb7a4d000)
libkio.so.4 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkio.so.4 (0xb771f000)
libkdeui.so.4 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkdeui.so.4 (0xb7446000)
libkdesu.so.4 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkdesu.so.4 (0xb7430000)
libkwalletclient.so.1 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkwalletclient.so.1 (0xb741f000)
libkdecore.so.4 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkdecore.so.4 (0xb71e6000)
libDCOP.so.4 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libDCOP.so.4 (0xb71b4000)
libresolv.so.2 => /lib/libresolv.so.2 (0xb7190000)
libutil.so.1 => /lib/libutil.so.1 (0xb718c000)
libart_lgpl_2.so.2 => /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 (0xb7176000)
libidn.so.11 => /usr/lib/libidn.so.11 (0xb7146000)
libkdefx.so.4 => /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkdefx.so.4 (0xb711b000)
libqt-mt.so.3 => /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 (0xb6a3e000)
libmng.so.1 => /usr/lib/libmng.so.1 (0xb69e0000)
libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0xb69c1000)
libXi.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 (0xb69b9000)
libXrandr.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0xb69b6000)
libXcursor.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1 (0xb69ac000)
libXfixes.so.3 => /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3 (0xb69a7000)
libXft.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXft.so.2 (0xb6995000)
libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0xb696b000)
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0xb68ff000)
libxml2.so.2 => /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 (0xb67e7000)
libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0xb67c4000)
libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0xb67b2000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0xb67a4000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/lib/libSM.so.6 (0xb679b000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/lib/libICE.so.6 (0xb6784000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0xb676d000)
libXrender.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0xb6764000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0xb667a000)
libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0xb6677000)
libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0xb6672000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0xb666e000)
libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/libstdc++.so.6 (0xb658d000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0xb6567000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb643f000)
libgcc_s.so.1 => /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xb6434000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x80000000)
==========================================================
strings /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml* | grep CXXABI
CXXABI_1.3.1
CXXABI_1.3
CXXABI_1.3.1
CXXABI_1.3
CXXABI_1.3.1
CXXABI_1.3
=======================================================
strings /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.* | grep CXXABI
CXXABI_1.3
CXXABI_1.3
CXXABI_1.3
CXXABI_1.3
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-08 3:55 ` reader
@ 2006-11-08 9:33 ` Neil Bothwick
2006-11-08 12:01 ` reader
2006-11-08 11:51 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2006-11-08 9:33 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Tue, 07 Nov 2006 21:55:55 -0600, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> > Yes, meaningless; update world means the packages on YOUR machine,
> > matching YOUR arch and dependencies requires by YOUR use flags have
> > been changed. No one can relate to that without knowing all those
> > settings, or a simple list of the packages updated with "genlop
> > --list --date yesterday"
> >
>
> Your repeating it ever louder does not make it so.
Correct, it was already so.
> update world
> conveys a major update of the entire OS,
No it doesn't. It updates whatever has been updated since you last ran
it. This depends on the arch and USE flags you have, which packages
you have installed and when you last did it. it could update two packages
or two hundred. The point is, the statement gives no indication of which
packages you have upgraded, so it is of no real help in diagnosing your
problem.
> then follows a very specific
> error that I hoped someone would be able to identify.
Which I did, and proposed a solution. It didn't work because I assumed
you were using the split KDE ebuilds, a list of the packages you had
updated would have shown otherwise and enabled me to give the answer I
gave later in my first reply.
When asking for help, it is difficult to give too much information but
all to easy to give too little.
> Your continued insistance on
> this appears to be more about opinion than fact.
No, it's about asking for the information needed to make a diagnosis.
> > You're running the monolithic KDE ebuilds, so re-emerge kdebase.
> > Incidentally, this is one of the situations where the split ebuilds
> > really pay off, as you'd only have to recompile Konqueror rather than
> > all the core KDE programs.
>
> Thanks, I'll be doing that.
See, once you gave details about specific packages involved, it
was easier to provide advice. Remote diagnosis usually involves some
guessing as to the correct answer, don't make us guess the question too.
You seem to have taken this as a personal attack, it was not. If you want
people to be able to help you, give them what they need. My first
response was simply some advice on one way doing this that "update world"
does not achieve. You were not the first to fall into this trap; you will
not be the last, but my discussing it I hope it may happen less often.
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I'd prefer the non-smoking lifeboat, please.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-08 3:55 ` reader
2006-11-08 9:33 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2006-11-08 11:51 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Bo Ørsted Andresen @ 2006-11-08 11:51 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Wednesday 08 November 2006 04:55, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> writes:
> [...]
>
> >> I'd hoped someone would have had the same or similar situation and
> >> error before posted piles of data... so no not meaningless.
> >
> > Yes, meaningless; update world means the packages on YOUR machine,
> > matching YOUR arch and dependencies requires by YOUR use flags have been
> > changed. No one can relate to that without knowing all those settings, or
> > a simple list of the packages updated with "genlop --list --date
> > yesterday"
>
> Your repeating it ever louder does not make it so. update world
> conveys a major update of the entire OS, then follows a very specific
> error that I hoped someone would be able to identify.
>
> So no not meaningless,
>
> Were it actually meaningless no one would have been able to help.
> I was glad to supply any needed details. Your continued insistance on
> this appears to be more about opinion than fact.
The fact that we may sometimes be able to guess based on the error message
doesn't change the fact that saying you upgraded some packages without
stating which packages is entirely meaningless. If you would refuse to tell
us which then you might as well leave out the fact that you upgraded
anything. But it definitely is a lot easier if you just provided the output
of e.g. "genlop --list --date yesterday" as mentioned by Neil. Also the
purpose of Neil and I stating this isn't to make you or anyone else look bad
but rather to make it easier for everyone in the future...
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Bo Andresen
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* [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-08 9:33 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2006-11-08 12:01 ` reader
2006-11-08 13:17 ` Neil Bothwick
2006-11-08 14:59 ` Alan McKinnon
0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: reader @ 2006-11-08 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> writes:
> No it doesn't. It updates whatever has been updated since you last ran
> it. This depends on the arch and USE flags you have, which packages
> you have installed and when you last did it. it could update two packages
> or two hundred. The point is, the statement gives no indication of which
> packages you have upgraded, so it is of no real help in diagnosing your
> problem.
Here is meaningless:
Konqueror errored out with this message "bla bla".
What does it mean?
What I gave was considerably more.
OS update
Konqueror errors out "bla bla". Any one know what it means.
Lets see, OS update, the guy's running kde... we have specific
library error.
Maybe not so hard for someone who knows enough to make a connection
there.
Feigning surprise that your `meaningless' phrase was taken as some
kind of (light) attack is also pretty phony.
One does not liken something that was enough to point out a specific
problem as `meaningless' without somekind of ill intent or at least a
certain high handedness of language.
So drop the surprise charade and just let this fade away.
If you need more information just say so. No gimmick required.
Once again, thanks for your input.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-08 12:01 ` reader
@ 2006-11-08 13:17 ` Neil Bothwick
2006-11-09 0:20 ` reader
2006-11-08 14:59 ` Alan McKinnon
1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Neil Bothwick @ 2006-11-08 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
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On Wed, 08 Nov 2006 06:01:52 -0600, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
This is getting silly, and all because I tried to help you. Maybe there's
a lesson to be learned.
> Here is meaningless:
>
> Konqueror errored out with this message "bla bla".
> What does it mean?
>
> What I gave was considerably more.
>
> OS update
> Konqueror errors out "bla bla". Any one know what it means.
>
> Lets see, OS update, the guy's running kde... we have specific
> library error.
But we don't know what changed on your system to cause that error,
because you didn't tell us which packages you upgraded. Note that I did
not call this statement meaningless but the comment about an update
world. Look at my original post again, I edited it so that that comment
only applied to a single statement, the error message was referenced
later.
> One does not liken something that was enough to point out a specific
> problem as `meaningless' without somekind of ill intent or at least a
> certain high handedness of language.
You really don't get it do you? Try reading the thread again, you gave
absolutely no indication of which packages were updated. Try looking up
meaningless in a dictionary - stating that you did a world update without
any context does indeed make that statement without meaning.
> So drop the surprise charade and just let this fade away.
Grow up!
> If you need more information just say so. No gimmick required.
I don't need anything from you. You are the one with the problem, I was
trying to help you find a solution.
> Once again, thanks for your input.
Why? You have ignored everything I said to try to diagnose and fix the
problem and focused entirely on a perceived insult from a comment that
one statement in your original question provided no useful information;
even though it also contained an explanation of why this was so and
guidance on how to provide that information. I wish I hadn't bothered and
had concentrated on the questions I am paid to answer.
--
Neil Bothwick
Always be sincere... whether you mean it or not!
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-08 12:01 ` reader
2006-11-08 13:17 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2006-11-08 14:59 ` Alan McKinnon
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Alan McKinnon @ 2006-11-08 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On Wednesday 08 November 2006 14:01, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> > No it doesn't. It updates whatever has been updated since you last
> > ran it. This depends on the arch and USE flags you have, which
> > packages you have installed and when you last did it. it could
> > update two packages or two hundred. The point is, the statement
> > gives no indication of which packages you have upgraded, so it is
> > of no real help in diagnosing your problem.
>
> Here is meaningless:
Reader, stop acting like a spoilt brat who needs to have the last say. I
really don't care how you define "meaningless", but your prattling on
about it, defending yourself, making yourself right and Neil wrong is
getting tiresome. Here's the real dope:
You gave what you thought was useful information.
As it turns out, it wasn't. It's just fluff.
Neil told you it was fluff and he told you why.
Neil is trying to help you, he hasn't sent you an invoice for his time
and he's within his rights to tell you what format he wants information
in so he can continue to give you this free advice.
Dude, it happens. Get over it.
alan
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* Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-08 4:04 ` [gentoo-user] " reader
@ 2006-11-08 17:28 ` Richard Fish
0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Richard Fish @ 2006-11-08 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
On 11/7/06, reader@newsguy.com <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
> "Richard Fish" <bigfish@asmallpond.org> writes:
> > What do the following report:
> >
> > ldd /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4
> > strings /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml* | grep CXXABI
> > strings /usr/qt/3/lib/libqt-mt.* | grep CXXABI
Ok, all looks fine to me.
I'd suggest remerging kdelibs and see if that fixes it, as Neil suggested.
-Richard
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* [gentoo-user] Re: Error starting Konq after update world
2006-11-08 13:17 ` Neil Bothwick
@ 2006-11-09 0:20 ` reader
0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: reader @ 2006-11-09 0:20 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-user
Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> writes:
[...]
OK OK folks .. moving on now...
> Grow up!
I'm a little old for that at nearing 70 but it can be embarrassing how
some minor or even imagined infraction can nettle way out of
proportion to any sensible take on the situation.
> Why? You have ignored everything I said to try to diagnose and fix the
Don't be discouraged from my nonesense
It only seemed like I ignored... I actuall fixed it from your and others
advice hence my thanks.
Alan McKinnon <alan@linuxholdings.co.za> writes:
[...]
> Dude, it happens. Get over it.
Point taken... moving on here
Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> writes:
> The fact that we may sometimes be able to guess based on the error message
Other point taken too.
Sorry about the line noise...
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