* [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message @ 2006-10-24 5:51 Meino Christian Cramer 2006-10-24 6:36 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-24 5:51 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Hi, while doing a revdep-rebuild I got A LOT of messages of the pattern lib<xyz>.la seems to be moved I recorded that messages and finally after some modifying these libraries are affected: libICE.la libgnome-2.la libORBit-2.la libgnome-keyring.la libSM.la libgnomecanvas-2.la libart_lgpl_2.la libgnomeprint-2-2.la libatk-1.0.la libgnomeprintui-2-2.la libbonobo-2.la libgnomeui-2.la libbonobo-activation.la libgnomevfs-2.la libbonoboui-2.la libgnutls.la libcairo.la libgobject-2.0.la libcamel-1.2.la libgpg-error.la libcamel-provider-1.2.la libgthread-2.0.la libdbus-1.la libgtk-x11-2.0.la libebook-1.2.la libgtkhtml-3.8.la libecal-1.2.la libhal.la libedataserver-1.2.la libjpeg.la libedataserverui-1.2.la liblber.la libexpat.la libldap.la libfontconfig.la libltdl.la libfreetype.la libogg.la libgconf-2.la libpango-1.0.la libgcrypt.la libpangocairo-1.0.la libgdk-x11-2.0.la libpangoft2-1.0.la libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.la libpng.la libglade-2.0.la libpopt.la libglib-2.0.la libsoup-2.2.la libgmodule-2.0.la libtasn1.la ilibxml2.la As an example I looked into /usr/lib/libICE.la and found: # libICE.la - a libtool library file # Generated by ltmain.sh - GNU libtool 1.5.22 (1.1220.2.365 2005/12/18 22:14:06) # # Please DO NOT delete this file! # It is necessary for linking the library. # The name that we can dlopen(3). dlname='libICE.so.6' # Names of this library. library_names='libICE.so.6.3.0 libICE.so.6 libICE.so' # The name of the static archive. old_library='libICE.a' # Libraries that this one depends upon. dependency_libs='' # Version information for libICE. current=9 age=3 revision=0 # Is this an already installed library? installed=yes # Should we warn about portability when linking against -modules? shouldnotlink=no # Files to dlopen/dlpreopen dlopen='' dlpreopen='' # Directory that this library needs to be installed in: libdir='/usr/lib' I checked the paths inside that file and found that they are correct. But what is the reason for these mass of "seems to ne moved" messages? Where are the according (wrong) informations stored? Thank you very much for any help in advance! mcc -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 5:51 [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-24 6:36 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin 2006-10-24 8:40 ` Meino Christian Cramer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2006-10-24 6:36 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Tuesday 24 October 2006 07:51, Meino Christian Cramer wrote: > Hi, > > while doing a revdep-rebuild I got A LOT of messages of the pattern > > lib<xyz>.la seems to be moved > which are harmless. > I checked the paths inside that file and found that they are correct. > > > But what is the reason for these mass of "seems to ne moved" > messages? Where are the according (wrong) informations stored? AFAIR this happens because the files are 'installed' in a temp dir and then copied over into the life system when you emerge something. That question came up some month ago. You might find a better answer in the archives. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 6:36 ` Hemmann, Volker Armin @ 2006-10-24 8:40 ` Meino Christian Cramer 2006-10-24 8:58 ` Andrew Gaydenko 2006-10-24 14:07 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-24 8:40 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user, volker.armin.hemmann From: "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 08:36:28 +0200 Hi, > On Tuesday 24 October 2006 07:51, Meino Christian Cramer wrote: > > Hi, > > > > while doing a revdep-rebuild I got A LOT of messages of the pattern > > > > lib<xyz>.la seems to be moved > > > > which are harmless. Unfortunately it slows down compiling, when compiling each C-file spits a long list of "seems to be moved" messages onto my screen. That's the reason I want to find the "wrong path information" which causes this behaviour. > > > I checked the paths inside that file and found that they are correct. > > > > > > But what is the reason for these mass of "seems to ne moved" > > messages? Where are the according (wrong) informations stored? > > AFAIR this happens because the files are 'installed' in a temp dir and then > copied over into the life system when you emerge something. > > That question came up some month ago. You might find a better answer in the > archives. Thanks! Will see.... > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 8:40 ` Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-24 8:58 ` Andrew Gaydenko 2006-10-24 14:07 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Andrew Gaydenko @ 2006-10-24 8:58 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Meino, Please, tell us about your research result :-) Andrew ======= On Tuesday 24 October 2006 12:40, Meino Christian Cramer wrote: ======= Thanks! Will see.... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 8:40 ` Meino Christian Cramer 2006-10-24 8:58 ` Andrew Gaydenko @ 2006-10-24 14:07 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen 2006-10-24 14:33 ` Meino Christian Cramer 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Bo Ørsted Andresen @ 2006-10-24 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1289 bytes --] On Tuesday 24 October 2006 10:40, Meino Christian Cramer wrote: > > > lib<xyz>.la seems to be moved > > > > which are harmless. During compilation of x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.6 gdk-pixbuf/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.la gets created in ${S} (/var/tmp/paludis/x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.6/work/gtk+-2.10.6). It contains this: # grep ^dep gdk-pixbuf/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.la dependency_libs=' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..//libgmodule-2.0.la -ldl /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..//libgobject-2.0.la /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..//libglib-2.0.la -lrt -lm ' So looking at the first .la file in it's dependency_list: # grep ^libdir /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..//libgmodule-2.0.la libdir='/usr/lib' I believe in this case the message simply means that '/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..' != '/usr/lib': # grep -C 1 "seems to be moved" /usr/share/libtool/ltmain.sh if test "$absdir" != "$libdir"; then $echo "$modename: warning: \`$deplib' seems to be moved" 1>&2 fi > Unfortunately it slows down compiling, when compiling each C-file > spits a long list of "seems to be moved" messages onto my > screen. Why do you think it's significant? -- Bo Andresen [-- Attachment #2: Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 189 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 14:07 ` Bo Ørsted Andresen @ 2006-10-24 14:33 ` Meino Christian Cramer 2006-10-24 15:31 ` Fabrice Delliaux 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-24 14:33 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user, bo.andresen From: Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 16:07:46 +0200 > On Tuesday 24 October 2006 10:40, Meino Christian Cramer wrote: > > > > lib<xyz>.la seems to be moved > > > > > > which are harmless. > > During compilation of x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.6 gdk-pixbuf/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.la > gets created in ${S} (/var/tmp/paludis/x11-libs/gtk+-2.10.6/work/gtk+-2.10.6). > It contains this: > > # grep ^dep gdk-pixbuf/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.la > dependency_libs=' /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..//libgmodule-2.0.la -ldl /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..//libgobject-2.0.la /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.la /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..//libglib-2.0.la -lrt -lm ' > > So looking at the first .la file in it's dependency_list: > > # grep ^libdir /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..//libgmodule-2.0.la > libdir='/usr/lib' > > I believe in this case the message simply means that > '/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/../../..' != '/usr/lib': > > # grep -C 1 "seems to be moved" /usr/share/libtool/ltmain.sh > if test "$absdir" != "$libdir"; then > $echo "$modename: warning: \`$deplib' seems to be moved" 1>&2 > fi > > > Unfortunately it slows down compiling, when compiling each C-file > > spits a long list of "seems to be moved" messages onto my > > screen. > > Why do you think it's significant? Because I see, how long it takes to oputput the whole list each time a C-file gets compiled... mcc > -- > Bo Andresen -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 14:33 ` Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-24 15:31 ` Fabrice Delliaux 2006-10-24 16:24 ` Michael Sullivan 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Fabrice Delliaux @ 2006-10-24 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user Hi, Explanation && patch here : http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-libtool@gnu.org/msg00838.html -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 15:31 ` Fabrice Delliaux @ 2006-10-24 16:24 ` Michael Sullivan 2006-10-24 16:34 ` Meino Christian Cramer 2006-10-24 20:21 ` Vladimir G. Ivanovic 0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Michael Sullivan @ 2006-10-24 16:24 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:31 +0200, Fabrice Delliaux wrote: > Hi, > > Explanation && patch here : > > http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-libtool@gnu.org/msg00838.html I saved the patch at the above link to /root/libtool.patch, but I can't figure out how to use it. I assume that I would need to navigate to a directory and say "patch < /root/libtool.patch", but what directory do I do it from? If I do it from /usr/share/libtool, I get this: camille libtool # patch </root/libtool.patch patching file ltmain.sh Hunk #1 FAILED at 2795. 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file ltmain.sh.rej If I do it from /, I get this: camille / # patch </root/libtool.patch can't find file to patch at input line 3 Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option? The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |--- /usr/share/libtool/ltmain.sh 2005-11-22 08:18:02.000000000 -0500 |+++ ltmain.sh 2006-05-13 18:15:15.000000000 -0400 -------------------------- File to patch: -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 16:24 ` Michael Sullivan @ 2006-10-24 16:34 ` Meino Christian Cramer 2006-10-24 19:43 ` Michael Sullivan 2006-10-24 20:21 ` Vladimir G. Ivanovic 1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-24 16:34 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user, michael From: Michael Sullivan <michael@espersunited.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:24:31 -0500 > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:31 +0200, Fabrice Delliaux wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Explanation && patch here : > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-libtool@gnu.org/msg00838.html > > I saved the patch at the above link to /root/libtool.patch, but I can't > figure out how to use it. I assume that I would need to navigate to a > directory and say "patch < /root/libtool.patch", but what directory do I > do it from? If I do it from /usr/share/libtool, I get this: > > camille libtool # patch </root/libtool.patch > patching file ltmain.sh > Hunk #1 FAILED at 2795. > 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file ltmain.sh.rej > > If I do it from /, I get this: > > camille / # patch </root/libtool.patch > can't find file to patch at input line 3 > Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option? > The text leading up to this was: > -------------------------- > |--- /usr/share/libtool/ltmain.sh 2005-11-22 08:18:02.000000000 -0500 > |+++ ltmain.sh 2006-05-13 18:15:15.000000000 -0400 > -------------------------- > File to patch: > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > Hi Michael, I applied the patch by hand, my be it will work with the patch-command too. If you want to try it: cd /usr/share/libtool/. and apply the patch there with patch -p0 -i <your file of the patch here> If it does not work for you, please email me, I will send you the laready patched ltmain.sh attached to a private mail. Keep hacking! mcc -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 16:34 ` Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-24 19:43 ` Michael Sullivan 2006-10-25 1:16 ` Meino Christian Cramer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Michael Sullivan @ 2006-10-24 19:43 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 18:34 +0200, Meino Christian Cramer wrote: > From: Michael Sullivan <michael@espersunited.com> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:24:31 -0500 > > > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:31 +0200, Fabrice Delliaux wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Explanation && patch here : > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-libtool@gnu.org/msg00838.html > > > > I saved the patch at the above link to /root/libtool.patch, but I can't > > figure out how to use it. I assume that I would need to navigate to a > > directory and say "patch < /root/libtool.patch", but what directory do I > > do it from? If I do it from /usr/share/libtool, I get this: > > > > camille libtool # patch </root/libtool.patch > > patching file ltmain.sh > > Hunk #1 FAILED at 2795. > > 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file ltmain.sh.rej > > > > If I do it from /, I get this: > > > > camille / # patch </root/libtool.patch > > can't find file to patch at input line 3 > > Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option? > > The text leading up to this was: > > -------------------------- > > |--- /usr/share/libtool/ltmain.sh 2005-11-22 08:18:02.000000000 -0500 > > |+++ ltmain.sh 2006-05-13 18:15:15.000000000 -0400 > > -------------------------- > > File to patch: > > > > > > -- > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > Hi Michael, > > I applied the patch by hand, my be it will work with the > patch-command too. > > If you want to try it: > cd /usr/share/libtool/. and apply the patch there with > > patch -p0 -i <your file of the patch here> > > If it does not work for you, please email me, I will send you the > laready patched ltmain.sh attached to a private mail. > > Keep hacking! > mcc > I think I'm doing it wrong: camille libtool # patch -p0 -i /root/libtool.patch patching file ltmain.sh Hunk #1 FAILED at 2795. 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file ltmain.sh.rej -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 19:43 ` Michael Sullivan @ 2006-10-25 1:16 ` Meino Christian Cramer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-25 1:16 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user From: Michael Sullivan <michael@espersunited.com> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 14:43:37 -0500 > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 18:34 +0200, Meino Christian Cramer wrote: > > From: Michael Sullivan <michael@espersunited.com> > > Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message > > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:24:31 -0500 > > > > > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:31 +0200, Fabrice Delliaux wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Explanation && patch here : > > > > > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-libtool@gnu.org/msg00838.html > > > > > > I saved the patch at the above link to /root/libtool.patch, but I can't > > > figure out how to use it. I assume that I would need to navigate to a > > > directory and say "patch < /root/libtool.patch", but what directory do I > > > do it from? If I do it from /usr/share/libtool, I get this: > > > > > > camille libtool # patch </root/libtool.patch > > > patching file ltmain.sh > > > Hunk #1 FAILED at 2795. > > > 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file ltmain.sh.rej > > > > > > If I do it from /, I get this: > > > > > > camille / # patch </root/libtool.patch > > > can't find file to patch at input line 3 > > > Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option? > > > The text leading up to this was: > > > -------------------------- > > > |--- /usr/share/libtool/ltmain.sh 2005-11-22 08:18:02.000000000 -0500 > > > |+++ ltmain.sh 2006-05-13 18:15:15.000000000 -0400 > > > -------------------------- > > > File to patch: > > > > > > > > > -- > > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > > > Hi Michael, > > > > I applied the patch by hand, my be it will work with the > > patch-command too. > > > > If you want to try it: > > cd /usr/share/libtool/. and apply the patch there with > > > > patch -p0 -i <your file of the patch here> > > > > If it does not work for you, please email me, I will send you the > > laready patched ltmain.sh attached to a private mail. > > > > Keep hacking! > > mcc > > > > I think I'm doing it wrong: > > camille libtool # patch -p0 -i /root/libtool.patch > patching file ltmain.sh > Hunk #1 FAILED at 2795. > 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file ltmain.sh.rej > > > -- > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list > Hi Michael, ...no, you did nothing wrong... "...hunk FAILED..." means: The file to be patched is to different from that one, from which the original patch was made. There is another way: As root edit /usr/share/libtool/ltmain.sh by hand (I did the same): In the file search for the string "seems to be moved" and then compare the context of that line with the text of the patch: There is one line to be removed and I think four or so to be added. Notging too complicate. Make a backup copy of ltmain.sh before. Make a diff afterwards and compare the output with the patch. If all fails: Mail me privately and we will find a solution. Keep hacking! mcc -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [gentoo-user] "xyz.la seems to be moved" message 2006-10-24 16:24 ` Michael Sullivan 2006-10-24 16:34 ` Meino Christian Cramer @ 2006-10-24 20:21 ` Vladimir G. Ivanovic 1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Vladimir G. Ivanovic @ 2006-10-24 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw To: gentoo-user On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 11:24 -0500, Michael Sullivan wrote: > On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 17:31 +0200, Fabrice Delliaux wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Explanation && patch here : > > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-libtool@gnu.org/msg00838.html > > I saved the patch at the above link to /root/libtool.patch, but I can't > figure out how to use it. Here's what I did: 1. cd /usr/portage/sys-devel/libtool/files/ 2. mkdir 1.5.22 3. cd 1.5.22 4. Create "libtool-1.5.22-ltmain.sh-seems-to-be-moved.patch" with contents: --- libtool-1.5.22/ltmain.in.~1~ 2006-10-24 12:54:00.000000000 -0700 +++ libtool-1.5.22/ltmain.in 2006-10-24 12:55:16.000000000 -0700 @@ -2920,7 +2920,11 @@ exit $EXIT_FAILURE fi if test "$absdir" != "$libdir"; then - $echo "$modename: warning: \`$deplib' seems to be moved" 1>&2 + absdir2=`cd "$absdir" && pwd || echo "$absdir"` + libdir2=`cd "$libdir" && pwd || echo "$libdir"` + if test "$absdir2" != "$libdir2"; then + $echo "$modename: warning: \`$deplib' seems to be moved from \`$libdir' to \`$absdir'" 1>&2 + fi fi path="$absdir" fi 5. cd .. 6. Apply the following patch: --- libtool-1.5.22.ebuild.~1~ 2006-10-17 03:06:30.000000000 -0700 +++ libtool-1.5.22.ebuild 2006-10-24 11:57:18.000000000 -0700 @@ -83,6 +83,10 @@ # <azarah@gentoo.org> - (11 Feb 2004) epatch "${FILESDIR}"/1.5.20/${PN}-1.5.20-ltmain_sh-max_cmd_len.patch + # Get rid of false positive "seems to be moved" messages. + # http://www.mail-archive.com/bug-libtool@gnu.org/msg00838.html + epatch "${FILESDIR}"/1.5.22/libtool-1.5.22-ltmain.sh-seems-to-be-moved.patch + # Libtool's autoguessing at tag's sucks ... it get's confused # if the tag's CC says '<CHOST>-gcc' and the env CC says 'gcc' # or vice versa ... newer automakes specify the tag so no 7. ebuild libtool-1.5.22.ebuild digest 8. emerge -av --with-bdeps y =libtool-1.5.22 --- Vladimir -- Vladimir G. Ivanovic <vgivanovic@comcast.net> -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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