[gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Dave V]

Hello,

I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed, but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted to maintain the packages.

Dave

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Kristian Poul Herkild]

Dave V skrev:
> Hello,
>
> I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed, but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted to maintain the packages.
>
> Dave
>
>   
Well, you can always use VLC. Or perhaps Rhythmbox.
I prefer VLC.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Uwe Thiem]

On 23 October 2006 14:39, Kristian Poul Herkild wrote:
> Dave V skrev:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed, but
> > it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone
> > recommend a good alternative.

If you are using KDE anyway, try amaroK and/or noatun.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Mick]

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On Monday 23 October 2006 16:27, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> On 23 October 2006 14:39, Kristian Poul Herkild wrote:
> > Dave V skrev:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed,
> > > but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone
> > > recommend a good alternative.
>
> If you are using KDE anyway, try amaroK and/or noatun.

I found noatun heavy on resources compared to xmms and amarok requires more 
than a 17M sources download.  Meanwhile, I noticed that xmms is now a 
blocker!?  Why's that?
=================================================
# emerge -upDv world

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating world dependencies -
!!! Ebuilds for the following packages are either all
!!! masked or don't exist:
media-plugins/xmms-status-plugin media-plugins/xmms-stereo media-sound/xmms 
media-plugins/xmms-mpg123 media-plugins/xmms-cdaudio 
media-plugins/xmms-disk-writer media-plugins/xmms-wav 
media-plugins/xmms-mikmod
                                                                              ... 
done!
[ebuild  N    ] x11-apps/xwininfo-1.0.2  USE="-debug" 89 kB 
[ebuild  N    ] x11-apps/appres-1.0.0  USE="-debug" 72 kB 

Total size of downloads: 162 kB
=================================================

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Monday 23 October 2006 18:06, Mick wrote:
> Meanwhile, I noticed that xmms is now a
> blocker!?  Why's that?

Firstly it isn't a blocker! It's masked. In a month it will be removed (or 
rather it will probably be moved to an overlay. Secondly:

http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.dev/browse_frm/thread/d55c71aff656df3f/48bd9159e1e7a430
http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.dev/browse_frm/thread/30b7723061b26455/4619b1237b697cea
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152472

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Mick]

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On Monday 23 October 2006 17:26, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Monday 23 October 2006 18:06, Mick wrote:
> > Meanwhile, I noticed that xmms is now a
> > blocker!?  Why's that?
>
> Firstly it isn't a blocker! It's masked. In a month it will be removed (or
> rather it will probably be moved to an overlay. Secondly:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.dev/browse_frm/thread/d55c71aff
>656df3f/48bd9159e1e7a430
> http://groups.google.com/group/linux.gentoo.dev/browse_frm/thread/30b772306
>1b26455/4619b1237b697cea http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=152472

Thanks Bo,  I remember reading the first thread some time ago.  I guess it's 
time to move on.  Just emerge amarok and it looks great!  Tried to play a 
stream and it fell apart:
===================================================
Error Loading Media
No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not 
supported. Network failures are other possible causes.
http://live.str3am.com:2010/
===================================================

What now?  Is there a list of amarok plugins that I need to emerge?
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Richard Fish]

On 10/23/06, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Bo,  I remember reading the first thread some time ago.  I guess it's
> time to move on.  Just emerge amarok and it looks great!  Tried to play a
> stream and it fell apart:
> ===================================================
> Error Loading Media
> No suitable input plugin. This often means that the url's protocol is not
> supported. Network failures are other possible causes.
> http://live.str3am.com:2010/
> ===================================================
>
> What now?  Is there a list of amarok plugins that I need to emerge?

Plays OK for me.  Bring up the play list, click "Add->Radio Stream",
enter the URL.  The right click on the new radio stream, and do
"Load".  That should give you a "from live.str3am.com/"  in the play
list, click on it and hit play.

I recommend the use of the xine engine in amarok.  There are no real
plugins to speak of that you need, although I do have the following
use flags:

[ebuild   R   ] media-sound/amarok-1.4.3-r1  USE="kde visualization
xinerama -aac -arts -debug -ifp -ipod -mysql -njb -noamazon -opengl
-postgres -real (-xmms)" LINGUAS="-az -bg -br -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el
-en_GB -es -et -fi -fr -ga -gl -he -hi -hu -is -it -ja -ka -km -ko -lt
-ms -nb -nl -nn -pa -pl -pt -pt_BR -ro -ru -rw -sl -sr -sr@Latn -sv
-ta -tg -th -tr -uk -uz -zh_CN -zh_TW" 0 kB
[ebuild   R   ] media-libs/xine-lib-1.1.2-r2  USE="X a52 aac alsa asf
dts dvd flac gnome mng mp3 opengl samba sdl theora v4l vidix vorbis
win32codecs xinerama xv xvmc -aalib (-altivec) -arts -debug -directfb
-dxr3 -esd -fbcon -imagemagick -ipv6 -libcaca -modplug -nls -oss
-speex -vcd" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia -i810 -via" 22 kB

HTH,
-Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Mick]

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On Monday 23 October 2006 21:59, Richard Fish wrote:

> Plays OK for me.  Bring up the play list, click "Add->Radio Stream",
> enter the URL.  The right click on the new radio stream, and do
> "Load".  That should give you a "from live.str3am.com/"  in the play
> list, click on it and hit play.

Thanks Richard.  I think I have found a bug - or double-click doesn't always 
work as expected.  It seems that this is coming up as an intermittent error.  
Anyway, assuming that I have now played this stream and I would like to add 
it to one of my Playlists, how do I do that?

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Richard Fish]

On 10/23/06, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Richard.  I think I have found a bug - or double-click doesn't always
> work as expected.  It seems that this is coming up as an intermittent error.
> Anyway, assuming that I have now played this stream and I would like to add
> it to one of my Playlists, how do I do that?

I just add them under "Radio Streams" in the playlist window.

-Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Graham Murray]

"Richard Fish" <bigfish@asmallpond.org> writes:

> I recommend the use of the xine engine in amarok.  There are no real
> plugins to speak of that you need, although I do have the following
> use flags:

But it would be nice if Musicbrainz support was put back in. This was
removed because of security problems with tunepimp-4, but Amarok now
supports tunepimp-5 which addresses that.
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[gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Alexander Skwar]

· Richard Fish <bigfish@asmallpond.org>:

> I recommend the use of the xine engine in amarok.  There are no real
> plugins to speak of that you need, although I do have the following
> use flags:
> 
> [ebuild   R   ] media-sound/amarok-1.4.3-r1  USE="kde visualization
> xinerama -aac -arts -debug -ifp -ipod -mysql -njb -noamazon -opengl
> -postgres -real (-xmms)"

Hm. How do you make amarok use the xine engine? As far as I can
tell, there's at least no USE flag for this, is there?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Richard Fish]

On 10/23/06, Alexander Skwar <listen@alexander.skwar.name> wrote:
> · Richard Fish <bigfish@asmallpond.org>:
>
> > I recommend the use of the xine engine in amarok.  There are no real
> > plugins to speak of that you need, although I do have the following
> > use flags:
> >
> > [ebuild   R   ] media-sound/amarok-1.4.3-r1  USE="kde visualization
> > xinerama -aac -arts -debug -ifp -ipod -mysql -njb -noamazon -opengl
> > -postgres -real (-xmms)"
>
> Hm. How do you make amarok use the xine engine? As far as I can
> tell, there's at least no USE flag for this, is there?

Nope, no use flag.

Configure Amarok... -> Engine -> Sound System

-Richard

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: xmms alternative

[Alexander Skwar]

· Richard Fish <bigfish@asmallpond.org>:

> Nope, no use flag.
> 
> Configure Amarok... -> Engine -> Sound System

Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Ilya Hegai]

2006/10/23, Dave V <dave@mindkeep.org>:
> Hello,
>
> I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed, but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone recommend a good alternative.

audacious is a bmpx fork which is a xmms fork
you can try both

>I'm rather surprised that no one wanted to maintain the packages.

what's the reason to maintain package for unmaintained software

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Arnau Bria]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:08:08 -0400
Dave V wrote:

> Hello,
Hi,
 
> I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed,
> but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone
> recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted
> to maintain the packages.

you should, not should, you MUST use Amarok :-)

Cheers!
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[david]

Arnau Bria wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:08:08 -0400
> Dave V wrote:
>
>   
>> Hello,
>>     
> Hi,
>  
>   
>> I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed,
>> but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone
>> recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted
>> to maintain the packages.
>>     
>
> you should, not should, you MUST use Amarok :-)
>
> Cheers!
>   
I started using audacious, about the same.
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Mark Knecht]

On 10/23/06, david <abbottdavid@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Arnau Bria wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:08:08 -0400
> > Dave V wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >> I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed,
> >> but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone
> >> recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted
> >> to maintain the packages.
> >>
> >
> > you should, not should, you MUST use Amarok :-)
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> I started using audacious, about the same.

Mostly Aqualung for me.

- Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Korthrun]

On 10/23/06, Arnau Bria <arnau@emergetux.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:08:08 -0400
> Dave V wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> Hi,
>
> > I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed,
> > but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone
> > recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted
> > to maintain the packages.
>
> you should, not should, you MUST use Amarok :-)
>
> Cheers!
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>
>
I've never been an xmms fan, the GUI has just never felt right,
something about the app didn't suit my tastes. I've been use mpg123,
mplayer and mpd depending on what I want. Though apparently we should
be using amarok so I'll have to give that a whirl.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Arnau Bria]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:10:42 -0700
Korthrun Korthrun wrote:

> I've never been an xmms fan, the GUI has just never felt right,
> something about the app didn't suit my tastes. I've been use mpg123,
> mplayer and mpd depending on what I want. 

Maybe Amarok will not fit you... If u don't like GUI, Amarok is not
your program...

> Though apparently we should be using amarok so I'll have to give that
> a whirl.

Well, I suppose you noticed my joking tone in message...

Anyway, I don't know if you know last.fm (you could take a look), but
Amarok's integration with that site is wonderful. You could (now could,
not should neither must) try dynamic reproduction list, rating,
taggin', etc...

Cheers!
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[b.n.]

> Maybe Amarok will not fit you... If u don't like GUI, Amarok is not
> your program...
> 
>> Though apparently we should be using amarok so I'll have to give that
>> a whirl.
> 
> Well, I suppose you noticed my joking tone in message...

I was a diehard XMMS fan. Then I noticed news about its imminent death, 
and I sadly looked for alternatives. I once did *hate* players like 
amaroK, but in its latest version is a killer app.

It just works, and works well. And simple features like instant search, 
wikipedia search and shuffling become rapidly interesting.

The only downside is a small memory leak that becomes noticeable after a 
few days.

I'd love an XMMS with amaroK features, or better an amaroK with a deep 
XMMS look-n-feel.

> Anyway, I don't know if you know last.fm (you could take a look), but
> Amarok's integration with that site is wonderful. You could (now could,
> not should neither must) try dynamic reproduction list, rating,
> taggin', etc...

Never tried it. Thanks for the tip.

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Richard Fish]

On 10/23/06, Arnau Bria <arnau@emergetux.net> wrote:
> you should, not should, you MUST use Amarok :-)

amarok++

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Dotan Cohen]

On 23/10/06, Arnau Bria <arnau@emergetux.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:08:08 -0400
> Dave V wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> Hi,
>
> > I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed,
> > but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone
> > recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted
> > to maintain the packages.
>
> you should, not should, you MUST use Amarok :-)
>
> Cheers!

I second that. My search for the ultimate music player has stopped
with Amarok. Absolutely brilliant. Name a feature- lyrics? wikipedia
integration? It's got it.

Dotan Cohen

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Sarah]

Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 23/10/06, Arnau Bria <arnau@emergetux.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:08:08 -0400
>> Dave V wrote:
>>
>> > Hello,
>> Hi,
>>
>> > I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed,
>> > but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone
>> > recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted
>> > to maintain the packages.
>>
>> you should, not should, you MUST use Amarok :-)
>>
>> Cheers!
>
> I second that. My search for the ultimate music player has stopped
> with Amarok. Absolutely brilliant. Name a feature- lyrics? wikipedia
> integration? It's got it.
>
> Dotan Cohen
>
> http://rorot.com
> http://what-is-what.com/what_is/linux.html
Hi, I'm new to the list but have been lurking for a while... so forgive 
the slightly long post (bits of 'background' included to put things in 
context)

I tried to get on with Amarok - I tried on my Ubuntu install before I 
discovered Gentoo... thought I'd be bound to get it working with Gentoo 
but couldn't... and tried Rhythmbox in desperation to have something 
play music.

 From what I've seen of Amarok, I'd love it, but I every time I've 
installed it I've run into the same problems:

All our music (about 80 Gb, I think, mainly (but not all) OGG files) is 
stored on a server, accessed on a mounted Samba share.  The share would 
mount correctly - and I tried mounting it with a variety of permissions 
set - but I couldn't get Amarok to 'read' the music collection 
successfully.  I read various man/wiki/help pages which were supposed to 
get it working but I couldn't - and when Amarok bombed out it would take 
the system with it - things would lock up and I ended up have to reboot 
(!) and/or have major problems getting sound to work at all (it seemed 
to come and go, almost without reason).

I'm a relative newbie with linux and have only had my gentoo install up 
and running for about a month now... but I have managed to get most 
other things sorted by *lots* of reading/Googling.  I started off with 
kde, removed that (despite really giving KDE a really good go, I still 
wanted to go back to my Gnome comfort zone!) and installed gnome-light,  
unmasked the ~x86 packages that gnome-light pulled in and upgraded 
them... and sound works at last.  And Rhythmbox works - but I don't like 
it (never have).  I had xmms on my Ubuntu install... and had emerged it 
(now unmerged) to use with Gentoo... and would love to have a simple, 
working Amarok... but I haven't got my bravery together to embark on 
trying again!

I can't help thinking the problem lies with my (lack of) understanding 
of samba - our Squeezebox serves up the music from the samba share 
beautifully - so I'm not sure what I'm getting wrong in how I mount the 
share (mounting exactly the same way is fine for Rhythmbox) for Amarok 
to read.  Maybe I'll have another go one day soon!  If anyone has any 
hot tips or pointers that might help, I'd be grateful - I think I'll 
tear all my hair out if I try to emerge it again and end up with big 
problems with my system (I so want to avoid a problem that I'll be doing 
a full system backup before I have a go).

I wouldn't vote for rhythmbox.  I might try audacious instead.  But I'd 
really like a working amarok!

Sarah


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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Myk Taylor]

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I had my music collection mounted over nfs and I ran into a similar
problem: amarok wouldn't be able to read the entire thing and the nfs
shares would stop working.

The problem turned out to be that amarok keeps all these files /open/
and the remote share runs out of resources.  I'm using audacious now
without problems.

- --Myk

Sarah wrote:
> All our music (about 80 Gb, I think, mainly (but not all) OGG files) is
> stored on a server, accessed on a mounted Samba share.  The share would
> mount correctly - and I tried mounting it with a variety of permissions
> set - but I couldn't get Amarok to 'read' the music collection
> successfully.
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Graham Murray]

Myk Taylor <myk@ucla.edu> writes:

> The problem turned out to be that amarok keeps all these files /open/
> and the remote share runs out of resources.  I'm using audacious now
> without problems.

Are you sure that Amarok keeps the files open? This would break even
on a local filesystem. I am currently listening to music via Amarok
and lsof shows only 1 audio file open - the one it is playing.
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[gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Harm Geerts]

On Saturday 28 October 2006 08:30, Sarah wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > On 23/10/06, Arnau Bria <arnau@emergetux.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 08:08:08 -0400
> >>
> >> Dave V wrote:
> >> > Hello,
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> > I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed,
> >> > but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone
> >> > recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted
> >> > to maintain the packages.
> >>
> >> you should, not should, you MUST use Amarok :-)
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >
> > I second that. My search for the ultimate music player has stopped
> > with Amarok. Absolutely brilliant. Name a feature- lyrics? wikipedia
> > integration? It's got it.
> >
> > Dotan Cohen
> >
> > http://rorot.com
> > http://what-is-what.com/what_is/linux.html
>
> Hi, I'm new to the list but have been lurking for a while... so forgive
> the slightly long post (bits of 'background' included to put things in
> context)
>
> I tried to get on with Amarok - I tried on my Ubuntu install before I
> discovered Gentoo... thought I'd be bound to get it working with Gentoo
> but couldn't... and tried Rhythmbox in desperation to have something
> play music.
>
>  From what I've seen of Amarok, I'd love it, but I every time I've
> installed it I've run into the same problems:
>
> All our music (about 80 Gb, I think, mainly (but not all) OGG files) is
> stored on a server, accessed on a mounted Samba share.  The share would
> mount correctly - and I tried mounting it with a variety of permissions
> set - but I couldn't get Amarok to 'read' the music collection
> successfully.  I read various man/wiki/help pages which were supposed to
> get it working but I couldn't - and when Amarok bombed out it would take
> the system with it - things would lock up and I ended up have to reboot
> (!) and/or have major problems getting sound to work at all (it seemed
> to come and go, almost without reason).
>
> I'm a relative newbie with linux and have only had my gentoo install up
> and running for about a month now... but I have managed to get most
> other things sorted by *lots* of reading/Googling.  I started off with
> kde, removed that (despite really giving KDE a really good go, I still
> wanted to go back to my Gnome comfort zone!) and installed gnome-light,
> unmasked the ~x86 packages that gnome-light pulled in and upgraded
> them... and sound works at last.  And Rhythmbox works - but I don't like
> it (never have).  I had xmms on my Ubuntu install... and had emerged it
> (now unmerged) to use with Gentoo... and would love to have a simple,
> working Amarok... but I haven't got my bravery together to embark on
> trying again!
>
> I can't help thinking the problem lies with my (lack of) understanding
> of samba - our Squeezebox serves up the music from the samba share
> beautifully - so I'm not sure what I'm getting wrong in how I mount the
> share (mounting exactly the same way is fine for Rhythmbox) for Amarok
> to read.  Maybe I'll have another go one day soon!  If anyone has any
> hot tips or pointers that might help, I'd be grateful - I think I'll
> tear all my hair out if I try to emerge it again and end up with big
> problems with my system (I so want to avoid a problem that I'll be doing
> a full system backup before I have a go).
>
> I wouldn't vote for rhythmbox.  I might try audacious instead.  But I'd
> really like a working amarok!

It seems amarok is a little picky about this.
http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Samba

You should be aware that amarok opens all files to read the metadata (tags) 
when you add them to the collection. This is done just once, after that all 
the metadata is stored in amaroks database.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Chris Atkinson]

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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:39:43 +0200
Harm Geerts <harmgeerts@home.nl> wrote:

> On Saturday 28 October 2006 08:30, Sarah wrote:
> > Dotan Cohen wrote:
> > > On 23/10/06, Arnau Bria <arnau@emergetux.net> wrote:

> > I can't help thinking the problem lies with my (lack of)
> > understanding of samba - our Squeezebox serves up the music from
> > the samba share beautifully - so I'm not sure what I'm getting
> > wrong in how I mount the share (mounting exactly the same way is
> > fine for Rhythmbox) for Amarok to read.  Maybe I'll have another go
> > one day soon!  If anyone has any hot tips or pointers that might
> > help, I'd be grateful - I think I'll tear all my hair out if I try
> > to emerge it again and end up with big problems with my system (I
> > so want to avoid a problem that I'll be doing a full system backup
> > before I have a go).

I have a setup similar to yours, down to the use of Squeezebox. The
only difference is that my collection is smaller and of mp3's rather
than oggs. Amarok seems to have no real problems with the share.

> 
> It seems amarok is a little picky about this.
> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Samba


FWIW, here's the relevant entry from my /etc/fstab (all one line in
the original):

//sanguinaria/music	/mnt/sanguinaria	smbfs
credentials=/etc/.samba_credentials,noauto,rw,user,umask=000	0 0

> 
> You should be aware that amarok opens all files to read the metadata
> (tags) when you add them to the collection. This is done just once,
> after that all the metadata is stored in amaroks database.

There's another possible solution, which is to set up an iTunes server
on your filserver machine. I have mt-daapd, the opensource iTunes
server, running on my fileserver, so that my wife can easily administer
her iPod using WinXP and iTunes.

Your music on the iTunes server is then also accessible in recent
versions of amarok in the "Media Devices" tab.

It appears that mt-daapd supports ogg (although iTunes qua iTunes
doesn't).

Additional information:

http://wiki.mt-daapd.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Music_Sharing

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Monday 23 October 2006 14:08, Dave V wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed, but
> it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone recommend
> a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted to maintain the
> packages.
>

a) it is dead. For years

b) it depends on a dead toolkit with godknowswhat security problems

c) it becomes harder and harder to keep it alive

d) the devs have better things to do than playing ICU for (almost) dead 
software.
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Robert Cernansky]

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:02:27 +0200 "Hemmann, Volker Armin" <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:

> a) it is dead. For years
> 
> b) it depends on a dead toolkit with godknowswhat security problems
> 
> c) it becomes harder and harder to keep it alive
> 
> d) the devs have better things to do than playing ICU for (almost) dead 
> software.

e) it works fine

f) it has no good alternative :-(


Robert


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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Monday 23 October 2006 19:33, Robert Cernansky wrote:
> e) it works fine
>
> f) it has no good alternative :-(

g) noone prevents you from using it as long as it still works

h) if you really want it in the tree feel free to maintain it (you'll find
   it's no longer maintainable...)

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Daniel D Jones]

On Monday 23 October 2006 14:03, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Monday 23 October 2006 19:33, Robert Cernansky wrote:
> > e) it works fine
> >
> > f) it has no good alternative :-(
>
> g) noone prevents you from using it as long as it still works
>
> h) if you really want it in the tree feel free to maintain it (you'll find
>    it's no longer maintainable...)

i) It appears that it's still a dependency for a lot of other programs:

root@Merlin:/# emerge -uDvat world

These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:

Calculating world dependencies |
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "media-sound/xmms" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r16 (masked by: package.mask, ~x86 keyword)
# Diego Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org> (23 Oct 2006)
# Pending removal 23 November for multiple bugs
# Use media-sound/audacious

- media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r14 (masked by: package.mask)
- media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r15 (masked by: package.mask)

For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or
refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
(dependency required by "kde-base/kicker-applets-3.5.2" [ebuild])



!!! Problem resolving dependencies for kde-base/kde-meta
!!! Depgraph creation failed.


This is after I unmerged kopete because it was the requiring dependency and I 
don't use it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Dale]

Daniel D Jones wrote:
> On Monday 23 October 2006 14:03, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
>> On Monday 23 October 2006 19:33, Robert Cernansky wrote:
>>> e) it works fine
>>>
>>> f) it has no good alternative :-(
>> g) noone prevents you from using it as long as it still works
>>
>> h) if you really want it in the tree feel free to maintain it (you'll find
>>    it's no longer maintainable...)
> 
> i) It appears that it's still a dependency for a lot of other programs:
> 
> root@Merlin:/# emerge -uDvat world
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
> 
> Calculating world dependencies |
> !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "media-sound/xmms" have been masked.
> !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
> - media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r16 (masked by: package.mask, ~x86 keyword)
> # Diego Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org> (23 Oct 2006)
> # Pending removal 23 November for multiple bugs
> # Use media-sound/audacious
> 
> - media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r14 (masked by: package.mask)
> - media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r15 (masked by: package.mask)
> 
> For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or
> refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
> (dependency required by "kde-base/kicker-applets-3.5.2" [ebuild])
> 
> 
> 
> !!! Problem resolving dependencies for kde-base/kde-meta
> !!! Depgraph creation failed.
> 
> 
> This is after I unmerged kopete because it was the requiring dependency and I 
> don't use it.
> 


Do you still have xmms in your USE line in make.conf?  I had to remove
mine, and replace with -xmms, when the error you have came up.  Then I
had to do a emerge -Nuv world to recompile a few packages that the
change affected.

Hope that helps.

Dale

:-)  :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Meino Christian Cramer]

From: Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:41:29 -0500

> Daniel D Jones wrote:
> > On Monday 23 October 2006 14:03, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> >> On Monday 23 October 2006 19:33, Robert Cernansky wrote:
> >>> e) it works fine
> >>>
> >>> f) it has no good alternative :-(
> >> g) noone prevents you from using it as long as it still works
> >>
> >> h) if you really want it in the tree feel free to maintain it (you'll find
> >>    it's no longer maintainable...)
> > 
> > i) It appears that it's still a dependency for a lot of other programs:
> > 
> > root@Merlin:/# emerge -uDvat world
> > 
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
> > 
> > Calculating world dependencies |
> > !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "media-sound/xmms" have been masked.
> > !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
> > - media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r16 (masked by: package.mask, ~x86 keyword)
> > # Diego Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org> (23 Oct 2006)
> > # Pending removal 23 November for multiple bugs
> > # Use media-sound/audacious
> > 
> > - media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r14 (masked by: package.mask)
> > - media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r15 (masked by: package.mask)
> > 
> > For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or
> > refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
> > (dependency required by "kde-base/kicker-applets-3.5.2" [ebuild])
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > !!! Problem resolving dependencies for kde-base/kde-meta
> > !!! Depgraph creation failed.
> > 
> > 
> > This is after I unmerged kopete because it was the requiring dependency and I 
> > don't use it.
> > 
> 
> 
> Do you still have xmms in your USE line in make.conf?  I had to remove
> mine, and replace with -xmms, when the error you have came up.  Then I
> had to do a emerge -Nuv world to recompile a few packages that the
> change affected.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Dale
> 
> :-)  :-)
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> 

Hi,

 I got similiar (?) problems here:
 
 1) I had xmms installed, now it is removed (emerge -C).
 2) it is not listed in package.use
 3) It is not listed in world

 I get:

   solfire:/root>emerge --pretend --tree --verbose --update --deep world
   
   These are the packages that would be merged, in reverse order:
   
   Calculating world dependencies -
   !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy ">=media-sound/xmms-1.2.7-r6" have been masked.
   !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
   - media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r16 (masked by: package.mask)
   # Diego Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org> (23 Oct 2006)
   # Pending removal 23 November for multiple bugs
   # Use anything but this, like media-sound/audacious
   # media-sound/amarok media-sound/mpd media-sound/rythmbox
   # media-sound/muine media-sound/banshee
   
   - media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r14 (masked by: package.mask)
   - media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r15 (masked by: package.mask)
   
   For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or
   refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
   (dependency required by "media-sound/normalize-0.7.6-r2" [ebuild])
   
   
   
   !!! Problem resolving dependencies for app-cdr/k9copy
   !!! Depgraph creation failed.

 
For normalize and k9copy I get:

   solfire:/root>emerge -pv k9copy
   
   These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
   
   Calculating dependencies... done!
   [ebuild   R   ] app-cdr/k9copy-1.0.4  USE="arts -debug -xinerama" 0 kB
   
   Total size of downloads: 0 kB
   solfire:/root>emerge -pv normalize
   
   These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
   
   Calculating dependencies... done!
   [ebuild   R   ] media-sound/normalize-0.7.6-r2  USE="mad nls -audiofile* (-xmms*)" 0 kB
   
   Total size of downloads: 0 kB
   solfire:/root>



 Systemfailure:
 E_NOIDEA   :)


 What did I wrong here? k9copy seems to have no idea of xmms and
 normalize explicitely say NO XMMS (-xmms)...

 Thanks a lot for helping to solve the knot in advance!
 Keep hacking!
 mcc


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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Richard Fish]

On 10/23/06, Meino Christian Cramer <Meino.Cramer@gmx.de> wrote:
>    solfire:/root>emerge --pretend --tree --verbose --update --deep world

Add --newuse, so that everything that used to have a xmms use flag can
be rebuilt.

>    [ebuild   R   ] media-sound/normalize-0.7.6-r2  USE="mad nls -audiofile* (-xmms*)" 0 kB

[snip]

>  What did I wrong here? k9copy seems to have no idea of xmms and
>  normalize explicitely say NO XMMS (-xmms)...

Not exactly.  It says no xmms, but the '*' also says the flag state
has changed since the last time you merged the package.

-Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:04:20 -0400, Daniel D Jones wrote:

> !!! Problem resolving dependencies for kde-base/kde-meta
> !!! Depgraph creation failed.
> 
> 
> This is after I unmerged kopete because it was the requiring dependency
> and I don't use it.

Kopete is a dependency of kde-meta, unmerge it and emerge world will
just try to pull it back in, along with its dependencies. You need to
re-emerge Kopete after removing xmms from your USE flags.


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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Tuesday 24 October 2006 11:59, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> You need to re-emerge Kopete after removing xmms from your USE flags.

He doesn't need to remove it manually since the xmms use flag has been masked 
in the base profile. Just use --newuse...

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 12:21:10 +0200, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:

> > You need to re-emerge Kopete after removing xmms from your USE
> > flags.  
> 
> He doesn't need to remove it manually since the xmms use flag has been
> masked in the base profile. Just use --newuse...

You need to re-emerge Kopete after xmms has been removed from your USE flags :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Willie Wong]

I have one question about xmms alternatives:

xmms has this remote control feature that I use a lot (I have keys
on my "multimedia" keyboard bound to remote controls and also certain 
voice commands bound to playing and stopping of music), can someone 
point me to an alternative of xmms that also supports remote controls?

Thanks in advance,

W
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Tuesday 24 October 2006 22:59, Willie Wong wrote:
> I have one question about xmms alternatives:
>
> xmms has this remote control feature that I use a lot (I have keys
> on my "multimedia" keyboard bound to remote controls and also certain
> voice commands bound to playing and stopping of music), can someone
> point me to an alternative of xmms that also supports remote controls?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>

amarok

I was able to control amarok with my mobile phone and bluetooth...
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 24 October 2006 22:29, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 October 2006 22:59, Willie Wong wrote:
> > I have one question about xmms alternatives:
> >
> > xmms has this remote control feature that I use a lot (I have keys
> > on my "multimedia" keyboard bound to remote controls and also certain
> > voice commands bound to playing and stopping of music), can someone
> > point me to an alternative of xmms that also supports remote controls?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
>
> amarok
>
> I was able to control amarok with my mobile phone and bluetooth...

Cool!  Have you a HOWTO?
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Robin Atwood]

On Wednesday 25 October 2006 13:49, Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 October 2006 22:29, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 October 2006 22:59, Willie Wong wrote:
> > > I have one question about xmms alternatives:
> > >
> > > xmms has this remote control feature that I use a lot (I have keys
> > > on my "multimedia" keyboard bound to remote controls and also certain
> > > voice commands bound to playing and stopping of music), can someone
> > > point me to an alternative of xmms that also supports remote controls?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > amarok
> >
> > I was able to control amarok with my mobile phone and bluetooth...
> 
> Cool!  Have you a HOWTO?

There are AFAIK two apps, Bluemote and BlueAmarok out there, I have used both. But I
think they have a fairly strong dependency on Sony Ericsson menu extensions.

HTH
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Wednesday 25 October 2006 08:49, Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday 24 October 2006 22:29, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > On Tuesday 24 October 2006 22:59, Willie Wong wrote:
> > > I have one question about xmms alternatives:
> > >
> > > xmms has this remote control feature that I use a lot (I have keys
> > > on my "multimedia" keyboard bound to remote controls and also certain
> > > voice commands bound to playing and stopping of music), can someone
> > > point me to an alternative of xmms that also supports remote controls?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > amarok
> >
> > I was able to control amarok with my mobile phone and bluetooth...
>
> Cool!  Have you a HOWTO?

not anymore - I have a razr v3i now - and its bluetooth implementation is 
pretty crippled compared to my old SE....
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Daniel Barkalow]

On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, Willie Wong wrote:

> I have one question about xmms alternatives:
> 
> xmms has this remote control feature that I use a lot (I have keys
> on my "multimedia" keyboard bound to remote controls and also certain 
> voice commands bound to playing and stopping of music), can someone 
> point me to an alternative of xmms that also supports remote controls?

It seems to me that audacious is functionally equivalent to xmms, down to 
having the same command-line controls. I'd try "ln -s /usr/bin/audacious 
/usr/bin/xmms" (after unmerging xmms and emerging audacious), and see if 
it all works.

	-Daniel
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Monday 23 October 2006 19:33, Robert Cernansky wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 19:02:27 +0200 "Hemmann, Volker Armin" 
<volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
> > a) it is dead. For years
> >
> > b) it depends on a dead toolkit with godknowswhat security problems
> >
> > c) it becomes harder and harder to keep it alive
> >
> > d) the devs have better things to do than playing ICU for (almost) dead
> > software.
>
> e) it works fine

1.2.10-r16

-r16 does not sound like 'works fine', but 'lots and lots of work to keep it 
from falling apart'.

>
> f) it has no good alternative :-(
>

it has. amarok, alsaplayer, xine....
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Walter Dnes]

> > f) it has no good alternative :-(
> >
> 
> it has. amarok, alsaplayer, xine....

[m3000][root][~] emerge --ask alsaplayer

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies
emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "alsaplayer".

  OK guys, where is alsaplayer hiding?

  xine ==> almost as bloated as Windows Media Player.  I want a simple
*AUDIO PLAYER* dammit, not some honking big "multi-media" package that
takes forever to build.  I've had problems building xine, and swear by
mplayer.  I'd sooner use mplayer than xine.

  amarok ==> Even worse than xine.  It's a Windows Media Player wannabee
bloated frontend that ends up launching xine.  In addition to building
xinelib, it also builds kde-base, ruby, and a bunch of other junk.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Friday 27 October 2006 06:00, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > f) it has no good alternative :-(
> >
> > it has. amarok, alsaplayer, xine....
>
> [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask alsaplayer
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies
> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "alsaplayer".
>
>   OK guys, where is alsaplayer hiding?

seems it is gone too. Too bad. It was nice - could play mp3 forward AND 
backward...
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Mark Knecht]

On 10/26/06, Hemmann, Volker Armin <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> wrote:
> On Friday 27 October 2006 06:00, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > > f) it has no good alternative :-(
> > >
> > > it has. amarok, alsaplayer, xine....
> >
> > [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask alsaplayer
> >
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> >
> > Calculating dependencies
> > emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "alsaplayer".
> >
> >   OK guys, where is alsaplayer hiding?
>
> seems it is gone too. Too bad. It was nice - could play mp3 forward AND
> backward...

It hasn't been supported for a long time. That said there is a new
maintainer who just took it over last week so don't give up totally on
alsaplayer. It was good for its day.

Again, I mentioned this before, but if your interest is file based
playback - no CDs - no streaming media - then there is hardly anything
better than Aqualung. It's in the proaudio overlay - both the release
versions and a CVS ebuild also.

- Mark
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Friday 27 October 2006 07:03, Mark Knecht wrote:

> It hasn't been supported for a long time. That said there is a new
> maintainer who just took it over last week so don't give up totally on
> alsaplayer. It was good for its day.

it was great for testing dmix and hardware mixing - having 8 instances of 
alsaplayer playing the same song with ca 10 seconds difference.. without 
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Daniel Barkalow]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Walter Dnes wrote:

> > > f) it has no good alternative :-(
> > >
> > 
> > it has. amarok, alsaplayer, xine....
> 
> [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask alsaplayer
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies
> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "alsaplayer".
> 
>   OK guys, where is alsaplayer hiding?
> 
>   xine ==> almost as bloated as Windows Media Player.  I want a simple
> *AUDIO PLAYER* dammit, not some honking big "multi-media" package that
> takes forever to build.  I've had problems building xine, and swear by
> mplayer.  I'd sooner use mplayer than xine.
> 
>   amarok ==> Even worse than xine.  It's a Windows Media Player wannabee
> bloated frontend that ends up launching xine.  In addition to building
> xinelib, it also builds kde-base, ruby, and a bunch of other junk.

I think you want audacious, which seems to be xmms painted white and 
actively maintained.

	-Daniel
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Mark Kirkwood]

Daniel Barkalow wrote:

>>
>>   xine ==> almost as bloated as Windows Media Player.  I want a simple
>> *AUDIO PLAYER* dammit, not some honking big "multi-media" package that
>> takes forever to build.  I've had problems building xine, and swear by
>> mplayer.  I'd sooner use mplayer than xine.
>>
>>   amarok ==> Even worse than xine.  It's a Windows Media Player wannabee
>> bloated frontend that ends up launching xine.  In addition to building
>> xinelib, it also builds kde-base, ruby, and a bunch of other junk.
> 
> I think you want audacious, which seems to be xmms painted white and 
> actively maintained.
> 

I would second that.

I have not tried xine, but dislike the "size" of amarok. Audacious 
builds quickly and plays mp3s - and thats all I need!

Incidentally xmms and audacious both seem to sound cleaner than amarok too.

Cheers

Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[sean]

Is Audacious able to pull in CD info from the Internet?

I see know way to configure for that function.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Robert Cernansky]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 11:25:02 -0400 sean <tech.junk@verizon.net> wrote:

> Is Audacious able to pull in CD info from the Internet?
> 
> I see know way to configure for that function.

Preferences -> Plugins -> CD Audio Plugin -> Preferences -> CD Info

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Michael Sullivan]

On Fri, 2006-10-27 at 02:20 -0400, Daniel Barkalow wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2006, Walter Dnes wrote:
> 
> > > > f) it has no good alternative :-(
> > > >
> > > 
> > > it has. amarok, alsaplayer, xine....
> > 
> > [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask alsaplayer
> > 
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> > 
> > Calculating dependencies
> > emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "alsaplayer".
> > 
> >   OK guys, where is alsaplayer hiding?
> > 
> >   xine ==> almost as bloated as Windows Media Player.  I want a simple
> > *AUDIO PLAYER* dammit, not some honking big "multi-media" package that
> > takes forever to build.  I've had problems building xine, and swear by
> > mplayer.  I'd sooner use mplayer than xine.
> > 
> >   amarok ==> Even worse than xine.  It's a Windows Media Player wannabee
> > bloated frontend that ends up launching xine.  In addition to building
> > xinelib, it also builds kde-base, ruby, and a bunch of other junk.
> 
> I think you want audacious, which seems to be xmms painted white and 
> actively maintained.
> 
> 	-Daniel
> *This .sig left intentionally blank*

I emerged audacious last night.  I've been an xmms user since I started
using Linux back in 2003, so I wanted something xmms-like.  I like
audacious except for one tiny detail; the GUI window is tiny and I can't
seem to make it bigger.  Whenever I click the area that made xmms
bigger, it just tells me that DOUBLESIZE IS NOT SUPPORTED.  Will it be
in the future?

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[gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Harm Geerts]

On Friday 27 October 2006 06:00, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > > f) it has no good alternative :-(
> >
> > it has. amarok, alsaplayer, xine....
>
> [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask alsaplayer
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies
> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "alsaplayer".
>
>   OK guys, where is alsaplayer hiding?
>
>   xine ==> almost as bloated as Windows Media Player.  I want a simple
> *AUDIO PLAYER* dammit, not some honking big "multi-media" package that
> takes forever to build.  I've had problems building xine, and swear by
> mplayer.  I'd sooner use mplayer than xine.
>
>   amarok ==> Even worse than xine.  It's a Windows Media Player wannabee
> bloated frontend that ends up launching xine.  In addition to building
> xinelib, it also builds kde-base, ruby, and a bunch of other junk.

Amarok is Microsofts wet dream.
Amarok has so much more to offer.
To qualify it as a wmp wannabee is just ignorant and only makes you look 
bad...

Anyway, like Daniel said, audacious is what you want.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Chris Walters]

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Harm Geerts wrote:
> On Friday 27 October 2006 06:00, Walter Dnes wrote:
>>>> f) it has no good alternative :-(
>>> it has. amarok, alsaplayer, xine....
>> [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask alsaplayer
>>
>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies
>> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "alsaplayer".
>>
>>   OK guys, where is alsaplayer hiding?
>>
>>   xine ==> almost as bloated as Windows Media Player.  I want a simple
>> *AUDIO PLAYER* dammit, not some honking big "multi-media" package that
>> takes forever to build.  I've had problems building xine, and swear by
>> mplayer.  I'd sooner use mplayer than xine.
>>
>>   amarok ==> Even worse than xine.  It's a Windows Media Player wannabee
>> bloated frontend that ends up launching xine.  In addition to building
>> xinelib, it also builds kde-base, ruby, and a bunch of other junk.
> 
> Amarok is Microsofts wet dream.
> Amarok has so much more to offer.
> To qualify it as a wmp wannabee is just ignorant and only makes you look 
> bad...
> 
> Anyway, like Daniel said, audacious is what you want.

Just adding my $0.02, here.  I've tried both wmp and Amarok (among other
free programs).  Just my opinion, but wmp is a piece of crap - I've
never used it - after I tried it, even on my windoze systems.

OTOH, Amarok is a very good program (again my opinion), and it will
likely only get better.  Can you tell I chose Amarok to replace Xmms?

Chris
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[david]

[m3000][root][~] emerge --ask alsaplayer
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies
> emerge: there are no ebuilds to satisfy "alsaplayer".
amd64 ~ # emerge --search alsaplayer
Searching...  
[ Results for search key : alsaplayer ]
[ Applications found : 1 ]
 
*  media-sound/alsaplayer [ Masked ]
      Latest version available: 0.99.76-r3
      Latest version installed: 0.99.76-r3
      Size of files: 594 kB
      Homepage:      http://www.alsaplayer.org/
      Description:   Media player primarily utilising ALSA
      License:       GPL-2


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Walter Dnes]

On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 12:27:52PM +0200, Harm Geerts wrote
> On Friday 27 October 2006 06:00, Walter Dnes wrote:

> >   amarok ==> Even worse than xine.  It's a Windows Media Player wannabee
> > bloated frontend that ends up launching xine.  In addition to building
> > xinelib, it also builds kde-base, ruby, and a bunch of other junk.
> 
> Amarok is Microsofts wet dream.
> Amarok has so much more to offer.

  That insult against Amarok is stronger than anything else I can think
of, and beautifully explains exactly what I find wrong with it.  Amarok
constitutes a replacement for xmms just like an 18-wheeler tractor-trailer
combo constitutes a replacement for a half-ton pickup truck.  If I
wanted xine, I would emerge xine-ui...

[m3000][root][~] emerge --ask xine-ui

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N    ] dev-libs/libcdio-0.77  USE="-cddb -minimal -nls -nocxx"
[ebuild  N    ] media-video/vcdimager-0.7.23  USE="-minimal -xml"
[ebuild  N    ] media-libs/xine-lib-1.1.2-r2  USE="X a52 aac alsa dvd flac mng opengl sdl theora vcd vorbis win32codecs xv -aalib (-altivec) -arts -asf -debug -directfb -dts -dxr3 -esd -fbcon -gnome -imagemagick -ipv6 -libcaca -mad -modplug -nls -oss -samba -speex -v4l -vidix -xinerama -xvmc" VIDEO_CARDS="-i810 -nvidia -via"
[ebuild  N    ] media-video/xine-ui-0.99.4-r5  USE="X ncurses readline -aalib -curl -libcaca -lirc -nls -vdr"

  Not only do I not want to emerge xine-lib, I don't want to emerge ruby
and most of KDE, either.

[m3000][root][~] emerge --ask amarok

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N    ] dev-libs/libcdio-0.77  USE="-cddb -minimal -nls -nocxx"
[ebuild  N    ] media-video/vcdimager-0.7.23  USE="-minimal -xml"
[ebuild  N    ] media-libs/xine-lib-1.1.2-r2  USE="X a52 aac alsa dvd flac mng opengl sdl theora vcd vorbis win32codecs xv -aalib (-altivec) -arts -asf -debug -directfb -dts -dxr3 -esd -fbcon -gnome -imagemagick -ipv6 -libcaca -mad -modplug -nls -oss -samba -speex -v4l -vidix -xinerama -xvmc" VIDEO_CARDS="-i810 -nvidia -via"
[ebuild  N    ] dev-ruby/ruby-config-0.3.1
[ebuild  N    ] dev-lang/ruby-1.8.5  USE="threads -cjk -debug -doc -examples -ipv6 -socks5 -tk"
[ebuild  N    ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r3  USE="gif opengl -cups -debug -doc -examples -firebird -immqt -immqt-bc -ipv6 -mysql -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -sqlite -xinerama"
[ebuild  N    ] dev-libs/libpcre-6.6  USE="-doc"
[ebuild  N    ] kde-base/kde-env-3-r4
[ebuild  N    ] app-admin/gamin-0.1.7  USE="-debug -doc"
[ebuild  N    ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.2-r6  USE="alsa tiff -acl -arts
-cups -debug -doc -jpeg2k -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -kerberos -legacyssl -openexr -spell -ssl -xinerama -zeroconf"
[ebuild  N    ] media-libs/taglib-1.4  USE="-debug"
[ebuild  N    ] media-sound/amarok-1.4.3-r1  USE="aac opengl -arts -debug -ifp -ipod -kde -mysql -njb -noamazon -postgres -real -visualization -xinerama -xmms" LINGUAS="-az -bg -br -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -en_GB -es -et -fi -fr -ga -gl -he -hi -hu -is -it -ja -ka -km -ko -lt -ms -nb -nl -nn -pa -pl -pt -pt_BR -ro -ru -rw -sl -sr -sr@Latn -sv -ta -tg -th -tr -uk -uz -zh_CN -zh_TW"

> Anyway, like Daniel said, audacious is what you want.

[m3000][root][~] emerge --ask audacious

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N    ] media-libs/taglib-1.4  USE="-debug"
[ebuild  N    ] media-libs/musicbrainz-2.1.4
[ebuild  N    ] dev-cpp/libbinio-1.4
[ebuild  N    ] media-sound/audacious-1.1.2-r1  USE="aac alsa flac mmx mp3 vorbis wma -arts -chardet -esd -gnome -jack -lirc -modplug -musepack -nls -oss -sid -sndfile -timidity"

  Much better, I'll try it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Saturday 28 October 2006 03:35, Walter Dnes wrote:

>
>   Not only do I not want to emerge xine-lib, I don't want to emerge ruby
> and most of KDE, either.

>
> [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask amarok
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-libs/libcdio-0.77  USE="-cddb -minimal -nls -nocxx"
> [ebuild  N    ] media-video/vcdimager-0.7.23  USE="-minimal -xml"
> [ebuild  N    ] media-libs/xine-lib-1.1.2-r2  USE="X a52 aac alsa dvd flac
> mng opengl sdl theora vcd vorbis win32codecs xv -aalib (-altivec) -arts
> -asf -debug -directfb -dts -dxr3 -esd -fbcon -gnome -imagemagick -ipv6
> -libcaca -mad -modplug -nls -oss -samba -speex -v4l -vidix -xinerama -xvmc"
> VIDEO_CARDS="-i810 -nvidia -via" [ebuild  N    ] dev-ruby/ruby-config-0.3.1
> [ebuild  N    ] dev-lang/ruby-1.8.5  USE="threads -cjk -debug -doc
> -examples -ipv6 -socks5 -tk" [ebuild  N    ] x11-libs/qt-3.3.6-r3  USE="gif
> opengl -cups -debug -doc -examples -firebird -immqt -immqt-bc -ipv6 -mysql
> -nas -nis -odbc -postgres -sqlite -xinerama" [ebuild  N    ]
> dev-libs/libpcre-6.6  USE="-doc"
> [ebuild  N    ] kde-base/kde-env-3-r4
> [ebuild  N    ] app-admin/gamin-0.1.7  USE="-debug -doc"
> [ebuild  N    ] kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.2-r6  USE="alsa tiff -acl -arts
> -cups -debug -doc -jpeg2k -kdeenablefinal -kdehiddenvisibility -kerberos
> -legacyssl -openexr -spell -ssl -xinerama -zeroconf" [ebuild  N    ]
> media-libs/taglib-1.4  USE="-debug"
> [ebuild  N    ] media-sound/amarok-1.4.3-r1  USE="aac opengl -arts -debug
> -ifp -ipod -kde -mysql -njb -noamazon -postgres -real -visualization
> -xinerama -xmms" LINGUAS="-az -bg -br -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -en_GB -es
> -et -fi -fr -ga -gl -he -hi -hu -is -it -ja -ka -km -ko -lt -ms -nb -nl -nn
> -pa -pl -pt -pt_BR -ro -ru -rw -sl -sr -sr@Latn -sv -ta -tg -th -tr -uk -uz
> -zh_CN -zh_TW"
>
>

most of kde?

there is only one(!) kde-package. kdelibs. That is not 'most of KDE'. kde-env 
is just a bunch of files. from esearch: Sets up some env.d files for KDE

And about xine - you don't need xine. you can use gstreamer, if you want. xine 
is just the easiest to use and best performing engine.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Robert Cernansky]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:35:03 -0400 Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 12:27:52PM +0200, Harm Geerts wrote
> > On Friday 27 October 2006 06:00, Walter Dnes wrote:
> 
> > >   amarok ==> Even worse than xine.  It's a Windows Media Player
> > > wannabee bloated frontend that ends up launching xine.  In
> > > addition to building xinelib, it also builds kde-base, ruby, and
> > > a bunch of other junk.
> > 
> > Amarok is Microsofts wet dream.
> > Amarok has so much more to offer.
> 
>   That insult against Amarok is stronger than anything else I can
> think of, and beautifully explains exactly what I find wrong with
> it.  Amarok constitutes a replacement for xmms just like an
> 18-wheeler tractor-trailer combo constitutes a replacement for
> a half-ton pickup truck.
[...]

I agree with this. Amarok is not good replacement for xmms. It has
another philosophy which is similar to Windows Media Player. It has
also much higher requirements for resources in runtime and also in
dependecies/build time. Especially for non KDE users.

> [m3000][root][~] emerge --ask audacious

Yes, audacious is closest replacement that I found in stable amd64
tree. It has same philosophy as xmms.

But it missing several features. For me it is mainly gapless output,
xosd support and wide posibilites to control it via command line
(like xmms-pipe). Consider also tons of plugins for xmms.

I have emerged audacious to watch its development but I will stay with
xmms as long as it will be possible.

Robert


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[gentoo-user] Is there a simple .pls audio mp3-playing app?

[Walter Dnes]

> Yes, audacious is closest replacement that I found in stable amd64
> tree. It has same philosophy as xmms.
> 
> But it missing several features. For me it is mainly gapless output,
> xosd support and wide posibilites to control it via command line
> (like xmms-pipe). Consider also tons of plugins for xmms.
> 
> I have emerged audacious to watch its development but I will stay
> with xmms as long as it will be possible.

  Me too.  I use mpg321 to play music files on my harddrive.  I don't
need no steenkin gui for that.  mc is a great file-browser that can run
in a true text console or an xterm.  I have it set up to launch mpg321
when I press <ENTER> on an mp3 file.

  I have one other need for an audioplayer.  I'm a paying subscriber of
Live365, and I need a simple audio player to launch and play streams
direct off a .pls file.  audacious falls flat on its face in this task.
The current version (1.1.2-r1) does *NOT* support mp3, or streaming mp3.
It requires a plugin package.  The plugin package is keyword masked
~x86.  After unmasking the plugin package, I find that it requires a
higher version of audacious, which is also keyword masked ~x86.  Etc,
etc., etc.  Version 1.1.0 still supports mp3 directly, so I've
package-masked ">media-sound/audacious-1.1.0".  But wait... there's
more... on at least one Live365 station, audacious plays at half speed,
and the singer's voice is way down low.  xmms handles that station fine.

  I tried RealPlayer.  Unlike xmms and audacious, it can't keep up with
a 96 kbps audio stream, stuttering and buffering all the time.  This is
on an AMDK8 3000+ with 2 gigs of RAM, running Blackbox, not some
underpowered machine running a resource-hogging "desktop environment".

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a simple .pls audio mp3-playing app?

[Ryan Tandy]

Walter Dnes wrote:
> 
>   I have one other need for an audioplayer.  I'm a paying subscriber of
> Live365, and I need a simple audio player to launch and play streams
> direct off a .pls file.

Hi,

I'm not familiar with Live365, but I listen to radio (http://kplu.org) 
and similar streams off the Internet sometimes, and I find that mplayer 
is more than up to the task, including dealing with pls files.

e.g.
$ mplayer http://www.abacast.com/media/pls/kplu/kplu-sc-48.pls

works for me every time.  I already have mplayer installed to watch 
DVDs, so it might as well serve another purpose.

Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Is there a simple .pls audio mp3-playing app?

[Hans-Werner Hilse]

Hi,

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:50:21 -0700 Ryan Tandy
<tarpman@tarpman.homelinux.com> wrote:

> I'm not familiar with Live365, but I listen to radio
> (http://kplu.org) and similar streams off the Internet sometimes, and
> I find that mplayer is more than up to the task, including dealing
> with pls files.
> 
> e.g.
> $ mplayer http://www.abacast.com/media/pls/kplu/kplu-sc-48.pls
> 
> works for me every time.  I already have mplayer installed to watch 
> DVDs, so it might as well serve another purpose.

Just a short addition:
for servers that bork the content type of the playlist, it makes sense
to include "-playlist" in that command, like this:

$ mplayer -playlist 'http://foo.bar/playlist.pls'


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[gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Harm Geerts]

On Saturday 28 October 2006 03:35, Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 27, 2006 at 12:27:52PM +0200, Harm Geerts wrote
> > On Friday 27 October 2006 06:00, Walter Dnes wrote:
> > >   amarok ==> Even worse than xine.  It's a Windows Media Player
> > > wannabee bloated frontend that ends up launching xine.  In addition to
> > > building xinelib, it also builds kde-base, ruby, and a bunch of other
> > > junk.
> >
> > Amarok is Microsofts wet dream.
> > Amarok has so much more to offer.
>
>   That insult against Amarok is stronger than anything else I can think
> of, and beautifully explains exactly what I find wrong with it.

Just because *you* wouldn't use it, doesn't mean it's crap...
Just because *you* wouldn't use it, doesn't mean you have to badmouth it.

You seem to forget people spend time creating these great programs at no cost.
You don't insult the program, you insult the people behind it.

But even worse is that you based your *opinion* on a screenshot and the 
dependencies without even touching the program... and then tell the whole 
world it sucks.

If that's not an insult, I don't know what is...

Voicing an opinion is fine, but keep in mind that it *requires* you to have 
decent arguments to back you up, and it does *not* give you the right to be 
rude. If you feel the need to express thoughts outside that box, you should 
take them somewhere else. Cause I don't think the members of this list have 
any need for meaningless statements like that.

> Amarok constitutes a replacement for xmms just like an 18-wheeler
> tractor-trailer combo constitutes a replacement for a half-ton pickup
> truck.

Amarok is not a replacement, amarok is an alternative, which is exactly what 
this thread is about. If you compare them as equals your statement holds 
truth, *nobody* would argue that.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[b.n.]

Harm Geerts ha scritto:

> Just because *you* wouldn't use it, doesn't mean it's crap...
> Just because *you* wouldn't use it, doesn't mean you have to badmouth it.
> 
> You seem to forget people spend time creating these great programs at no cost.
> You don't insult the program, you insult the people behind it.

I personally like and use amaroK, but if he feels it's a smoking pile of 
crap, it's in his whole rights to loudly say so. Many nice and helpful 
people end up coding piles of crap, the fact they are lovely people 
doing free software doesn't stops me to tell their program is a (free) 
pile of crap.

> But even worse is that you based your *opinion* on a screenshot and the 
> dependencies without even touching the program... and then tell the whole 
> world it sucks.

He doesn't like something with these dependencies and the interface 
depicted in the screenshot. So his comments are perfectly appropriate.

>> Amarok constitutes a replacement for xmms just like an 18-wheeler
>> tractor-trailer combo constitutes a replacement for a half-ton pickup
>> truck.
> 
> Amarok is not a replacement, amarok is an alternative, which is exactly what 
> this thread is about. If you compare them as equals your statement holds 
> truth, *nobody* would argue that.

I think he implicitly meant "something about as lightweight and simple" 
by reading the word "alternative". And I feel he's quite right. I 
happily switched from xmms to amarok, but they are definitely not 
similar programs targeting the same audience.

And now stop the incumbent flamewars :)

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Walter Dnes]

On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 07:18:04PM +0200, Harm Geerts wrote

> You don't insult the program, you insult the people behind it.

  No such thing.  I was stating that amarok is extreme overkill for
simple streaming audio playing.  It is aimed at a totally different
target market.  I'm not slagging amarok for that, all valid markets
have the same right to be served.  But it simply doesn't belong in
***THIS*** discussion.

> But even worse is that you based your *opinion* on a screenshot and
> the dependencies without even touching the program... and then tell
> the whole world it sucks.

  I didn't say it sucks, I said it was extreme overkill for replacing
xmms.  I believe the list of dependancies is a valid criterion to judge
a program by.  And I based my opinion on more than a screenshot.  I
actually did some RTFM.  ***ACCORDING TO AMAROK'S OWN WEBSITE*** at
http://amarok.kde.org/content/view/51/1/  amarok features include...

# Quick and simple drag and drop playlist creation
# Super eye-candy interface
# Multiple backends supported ( xine, helix and NMM)
# 10 band equalizer
# Automatic cover art download using Amazon services
# The unique and powerful Context Browser
# Automatic play-statistics generation (iRate style)
# Full lyrics download
# Read about your bands with embedded wikipedia browsing!
# Funky visualisations from libvisual and XMMS
# KDE integration
# Streaming MP3 streams, including Last.fm streams.
# Crossfading
# Podcasting Support
# Fully configurable translucent OSD for track changes
# K3B (CD-burning) integration
# Style your Context Browser with custom CSS styles
# Save space in your Context Browser with collapsable boxes
# Show the Context Browser without Amarok open through the Konqueror sidebar!
# Full support for Last.FM! Share your music taste with friends on the net
# Generate dynamic playlists based on last.fm suggestions
# Support for SQLite, MySQL and PostgreSQL databases ensuring fast collection access
# Support for your iPod, iRiver, PlaysForSure, NJB, and generic USB device with the all new media-browser
# Powerful scripting interface, allowing for easy extension of Amarok
# Complete DCOP access

  I consider "Super eye-candy interface" and "Funky visualisations" as
insults against a program.  The amarok website is ***BRAGGING*** about
them.  I am obviously not their target market.

> Amarok is not a replacement, amarok is an alternative, which is
> exactly what this thread is about.

  Amarok brings along a lot of excess baggage compared to xmms.  At some
point, it crosses the line of being too much.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Sunday 29 October 2006 17:05, Walter Dnes wrote:

>
>   I consider "Super eye-candy interface" and "Funky visualisations" as
> insults against a program.  The amarok website is ***BRAGGING*** about
> them.  I am obviously not their target market.

both is OPTIONAL.

without xmms/libvisual, there is no eye-candy.

>
> > Amarok is not a replacement, amarok is an alternative, which is
> > exactly what this thread is about.
>
>   Amarok brings along a lot of excess baggage compared to xmms.  At some
> point, it crosses the line of being too much.

again, a lot of the stuff is optional. And the fact, that it has a 
dcop-interface, make it possible, to control it with scripts or from a 
command line.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Colleen Beamer]

Walter Dnes wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 28, 2006 at 07:18:04PM +0200, Harm Geerts wrote
> 
> 
> I consider "Super eye-candy interface" and "Funky visualisations" as
> insults against a program.  The amarok website is ***BRAGGING*** about
> them.  I am obviously not their target market.

Obviously, I *am* amaroK's target market, because I *love* it.
> 
>> Amarok is not a replacement, amarok is an alternative, which is
>> exactly what this thread is about.

I agree with this statement 'cause what I use xmms for I can't do in
amarok, and that is to play 'mod' files.

I took someone's suggestion and tried 'audacious'.  This was because the
package database said something about a 'pending removal' which I
interpreted to mean that xmms was being removed from the package database.

Despite the fact that I built audacious with 'modplug', which I assumed
(maybe wrongly) had something to do with playing 'mod' files, I couldn't
get it to play mod files.

So, I removed 'audacious' and reinstalled xmms. I unmasked (by
commenting the line out) xmms-1.2.10-r15, which is what I had been using
since approximately mid-August, with no problems with what I use it for.
 Granted, this version was masked by ~x86 keyword when I originally
installed it in August.

Anyway, with respect to the subject line, if my interpretation is
correct and xmms is being removed from the package list, what can I use
to play 'mod' files?

Regards,

Colleen



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Sunday 29 October 2006 17:40, Colleen Beamer wrote:

>
> Anyway, with respect to the subject line, if my interpretation is
> correct and xmms is being removed from the package list, what can I use
> to play 'mod' files?

audacious with the media-plugins/audacious-dumb plugin?

or, emerge xine-lib with the modplug useflag (which has to be set for 
audacious too), and it can play mod files. And since amarok uses xine-lib as 
one of its engines, it would be able to play modfiles.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: xmms alternative

[Colleen Beamer]

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Sunday 29 October 2006 17:40, Colleen Beamer wrote:
> 
>> Anyway, with respect to the subject line, if my interpretation is
>> correct and xmms is being removed from the package list, what can I use
>> to play 'mod' files?
> 
> 
> or, emerge xine-lib with the modplug useflag (which has to be set for 
> audacious too), and it can play mod files. And since amarok uses xine-lib as 
> one of its engines, it would be able to play modfiles.
> 

Thanks for this!  :-)  Stupid on my part, I suppose - I never thought of
compileing xine-lib with the modplug USE flag.  I just let it compile
with the defaults and/or what was in make.conf.

Anyway, now I'm happy.  No xmms, but I can play my mod files.  Only
complaint I have is that I liked the blur-scope visualization which I
got from xmms.  Funny think is according to package.mask,
xmms-blur-scope isn't even dependent on xmms.

Thanks again.

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Chuanwen Wu]

audacious is  a good one!

2006/10/23, Dave V <dave@mindkeep.org>:
> Hello,
>
> I just read on the gentoo-dev list that xmms is about to be removed, but it's probably the only sound player that I've used. Could someone recommend a good alternative. I'm rather surprised that no one wanted to maintain the packages.
>
> Dave
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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[ionut cristian cucu]

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"audacious is  a good one!"
how come? How come nobody mentioned mpd? now that's lite and it has all one
could want(based on it's clients): command line interface, gtk, qt u name it
as for functionality as well pick a client based on what u want, now mpd
with sonata as client consumes less resources(not by far) than xmms did;
also sonata worked out of the box with my multimedia keys

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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Bira]

On 11/7/06, ionut cristian cucu <cuciferus@gmail.com> wrote:
> "audacious is  a good one!"
> how come? How come nobody mentioned mpd? now that's lite and it has all one
> could want(based on it's clients): command line interface, gtk, qt u name it
> as for functionality as well pick a client based on what u want, now mpd
> with sonata as client consumes less resources(not by far) than xmms did;
> also sonata worked out of the box with my multimedia keys
>

I, at least, don't have much experience with it. Audacious was
mentioned a lot because its interface is very similar to XMMS's, and
it seems to accept a lot of the same skins and plug-ins. For people
explicitly looking for a replacement for XMMS because it's been
dropped from Portage, it seems to be the best choice.


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Re: [gentoo-user] xmms alternative

[Octavio Ruiz (Ta^3)]

>    "audacious is  a good one!"
>    how come? How come nobody mentioned mpd? now that's lite and it has all
>    one could want(based on it's clients): command line interface, gtk, qt u
>    name it as for functionality as well pick a client based on what u want,
>    now mpd with sonata as client consumes less resources(not by far) than
>    xmms did; also sonata worked out of the box with my multimedia keys

Yai, well, mpd is awesome but I started to have problems with non
ASCII chars on filename like Múm [1]...they does not index and I dont
have any clue.. but anyway I did not tried to investigate a little more
about that..

Audacious is a good XMMS replacement which seems to need more development and
more users/bug reports.. and it just works. :)


[1] http://www.last.fm/music/m%C3%BAm?q=m%C3%BAm

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