[gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[sdoma]

Hi,

there is it again ...
I've upgraded my system and things stop working. :(((

After the upgrade there is no device coming up if I plug in an USB
device.
I'm on a stable (x86) system and I would need my USB disks just now. Any
way to fix this quick?

Thanks
Frank


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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Friedrich Göpel]

On 9/27/06, sdoma <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote:

> I'm on a stable (x86) system and I would need my USB disks just now. Any
> way to fix this quick?
>
Hi,

Did you do etc-update?
If yes try if revdep-rebuild says anything is broken.
Anyways it sounds like udev or hal.
You should have a look at the output of "dmesg" to see how far it
does/does not work.

Hope this helps.


Cheers,

Friedrich Göpel

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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Paul Sebastian Ziegler]

If the problem is that your device is not mounted automatically you can
simply try
mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/whatever
with the appropriate device and folder as root.

Apart from that you could check /etc/fstab for the "auto"-argument.

Or if this doesn't work you can check dmesg to see what happens to your
device.

Apart from this:
You SHOULD do emerge -u world. However emerge -uD world might be smarter...
Also don't forget to update your config-files with dispatch-conf or
etc-update.

hth
Paul

sdoma wrote:
> Hi,
>
> there is it again ...
> I've upgraded my system and things stop working. :(((
>
> After the upgrade there is no device coming up if I plug in an USB
> device.
> I'm on a stable (x86) system and I would need my USB disks just now. Any
> way to fix this quick?
>
> Thanks
> Frank
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Uwe Thiem]

On 27 September 2006 16:21, sdoma wrote:
> Hi,
>
> there is it again ...
> I've upgraded my system and things stop working. :(((
>
> After the upgrade there is no device coming up if I plug in an USB
> device.
> I'm on a stable (x86) system and I would need my USB disks just now. Any
> way to fix this quick?

Did you do an etc-update? Watch out for udev rules an such.

Uwe

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RE: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Timothy A. Holmes]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: sdoma [mailto:sdoma@karneval.cz] 
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 10:22 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> there is it again ...
> I've upgraded my system and things stop working. :(((
> 
> After the upgrade there is no device coming up if I plug in 
> an USB device.
> I'm on a stable (x86) system and I would need my USB disks 
> just now. Any way to fix this quick?
> 
> Thanks
> Frank
> 
> 
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>

Sounds to me like something got modified by etc-update I would check
there first

TIM

 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[sdoma]

Non-sense

On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 16:41 +0200, Paul Sebastian Ziegler wrote:
> If the problem is that your device is not mounted automatically you can
> simply try
> mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/whatever
> with the appropriate device and folder as root.
> 
> Apart from that you could check /etc/fstab for the "auto"-argument.
> 
> Or if this doesn't work you can check dmesg to see what happens to your
> device.
> 
> Apart from this:
> You SHOULD do emerge -u world. However emerge -uD world might be smarter...
> Also don't forget to update your config-files with dispatch-conf or
> etc-update.
> 
> hth
> Paul
> 
> sdoma wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > there is it again ...
> > I've upgraded my system and things stop working. :(((
> >
> > After the upgrade there is no device coming up if I plug in an USB
> > device.
> > I'm on a stable (x86) system and I would need my USB disks just now. Any
> > way to fix this quick?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Frank
> >
> >
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[sdoma]

no device node appears

On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 16:40 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 16:21:50 +0200, sdoma wrote:
> 
> > After the upgrade there is no device coming up if I plug in an USB
> > device.
> 
> Do you mean no device node appears in /dev or that the device does not
> automount? For the latter, you have to be in the plugdev group. I don't
> know when this changed for stable, but it is mentioned in the ebuild
> output.
> 
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[sdoma]

I'm running 2.6.17.6.
It worked before the upgrade

On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 12:50 -0400, Willie Wong wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 04:21:50PM +0200, Penguin Lover sdoma squawked:
> > After the upgrade there is no device coming up if I plug in an USB
> > device.
> > I'm on a stable (x86) system and I would need my USB disks just now. Any
> > way to fix this quick?
> 
> Which kernel are you running?
> 
> I had a similar problem a couple months ago (if I plug in a USB drive
> the dmesg shows that something is detected but somehow the appropriate
> entry does not get created in /dev), and it turns out that it was
> because my kernel (2.6.10.something) was too old compare to the newer
> udev. Upgrading to 2.6.15.something fixed the problem. 
> 
> HTH, 
> 
> W
> -- 
> "I teleported home one night
> With Ron and Sid and Meg.
> Ron stole Meggie's heart away
> And I got Sidney's leg."
> 
> - A poem about matter transference beams. 
> Sortir en Pantoufles: up 33 days, 10:18

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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Willie Wong]

On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 04:21:50PM +0200, Penguin Lover sdoma squawked:
> After the upgrade there is no device coming up if I plug in an USB
> device.
> I'm on a stable (x86) system and I would need my USB disks just now. Any
> way to fix this quick?

Which kernel are you running?

I had a similar problem a couple months ago (if I plug in a USB drive
the dmesg shows that something is detected but somehow the appropriate
entry does not get created in /dev), and it turns out that it was
because my kernel (2.6.10.something) was too old compare to the newer
udev. Upgrading to 2.6.15.something fixed the problem. 

HTH, 

W
-- 
"I teleported home one night
With Ron and Sid and Meg.
Ron stole Meggie's heart away
And I got Sidney's leg."

- A poem about matter transference beams. 
Sortir en Pantoufles: up 33 days, 10:18
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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:48:20 +0200, sdoma wrote:

> I'm running 2.6.17.6.
> It worked before the upgrade

Which upgrade? emerge -u world could update one package or a hundred.
Which packages were upgraded?

Please don't top-post.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[sdoma]

I've tried to get documentoin for Tcl/tk, put 'doc' into the package.use
for these files and re-emerged tcl and tk (BTW: no docs for these
packages came up). emerge told me, that there is a new version of
portage available and that it is HIGHLY recommended to upgrade portage.
I did so and 87 packages where upgraded, amongst this glibc to 2.4, what
hurts me now because I planned to install Oracle, which requires
glibc2.3.
Seems x86 or ~x86 doesn't make much a difference. I reinstalled the
system not so long ago with x86 fo this reason.

I remember the same problems a couple of times in the past. /etc/fstab
was "upgraded" to the initial one (the one with /dev/BOOT and dev/ROOT
inside resulting in a not booting system), networking stopped working
letting me on my own, stopping hotplug (and historical
coldplug-nonsense) functionality, udev.rules where replaced by some
initial one for a syntax change in udev (using ``sed'' would be a better
choice here) ...

Just a minor thing, before I realized the USB problem, I was working on
'localhost:unknown-domain' after the "upgrade".

I'm really sick of solving the same problems again and again. Seems
Gentoo is a system for students not needing their comps to be working. 

For me it looks at this point like: "Every other distribution is a
better choice for somebody who needs his machine for work". I don't like
to say that, but this is my expirience. :((((((((((((((

Regards
Frank


PS: X-cuse me top-posting. This is a really exportant issue, and I'm
disturbing it. ;-(

PS 2: Co work with LFS! They have the same target (get people to know
the functionality of Linux). I'll install some working distro which is
conform with other POSIX compliant systems ... with a tear in my
eye. :((((((((((((


On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 18:31 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:48:20 +0200, sdoma wrote:
> 
> > I'm running 2.6.17.6.
> > It worked before the upgrade
> 
> Which upgrade? emerge -u world could update one package or a hundred.
> Which packages were upgraded?
> 
> Please don't top-post.
> 
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[sdoma]

Again top-posting :)
One thing for you before I leave:
I know that it is possible to avoid installation of unwanted upgrades
using portage, but I don't like to have to say my comp what NOT TO DO. I
await from my comp to do what I say it TO DO because I'm (mostly)
knowing what I'm doing.

F.

PS: Imagine you send your wife buying some food. What is more
applicable? Telling her what to buy or telling her what not to buy?


On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 20:04 +0200, sdoma wrote:
> I've tried to get documentoin for Tcl/tk, put 'doc' into the package.use
> for these files and re-emerged tcl and tk (BTW: no docs for these
> packages came up). emerge told me, that there is a new version of
> portage available and that it is HIGHLY recommended to upgrade portage.
> I did so and 87 packages where upgraded, amongst this glibc to 2.4, what
> hurts me now because I planned to install Oracle, which requires
> glibc2.3.
> Seems x86 or ~x86 doesn't make much a difference. I reinstalled the
> system not so long ago with x86 fo this reason.
> 
> I remember the same problems a couple of times in the past. /etc/fstab
> was "upgraded" to the initial one (the one with /dev/BOOT and dev/ROOT
> inside resulting in a not booting system), networking stopped working
> letting me on my own, stopping hotplug (and historical
> coldplug-nonsense) functionality, udev.rules where replaced by some
> initial one for a syntax change in udev (using ``sed'' would be a better
> choice here) ...
> 
> Just a minor thing, before I realized the USB problem, I was working on
> 'localhost:unknown-domain' after the "upgrade".
> 
> I'm really sick of solving the same problems again and again. Seems
> Gentoo is a system for students not needing their comps to be working. 
> 
> For me it looks at this point like: "Every other distribution is a
> better choice for somebody who needs his machine for work". I don't like
> to say that, but this is my expirience. :((((((((((((((
> 
> Regards
> Frank
> 
> 
> PS: X-cuse me top-posting. This is a really exportant issue, and I'm
> disturbing it. ;-(
> 
> PS 2: Co work with LFS! They have the same target (get people to know
> the functionality of Linux). I'll install some working distro which is
> conform with other POSIX compliant systems ... with a tear in my
> eye. :((((((((((((
> 
> 
> On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 18:31 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 18:48:20 +0200, sdoma wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm running 2.6.17.6.
> > > It worked before the upgrade
> > 
> > Which upgrade? emerge -u world could update one package or a hundred.
> > Which packages were upgraded?
> > 
> > Please don't top-post.
> > 
> > 
> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Wolfgang Illmeyer]

Am Mittwoch, 27. September 2006 20:21 schrieb sdoma:
> Again top-posting :)
> One thing for you before I leave:
> I know that it is possible to avoid installation of unwanted upgrades
> using portage, but I don't like to have to say my comp what NOT TO DO. I
> await from my comp to do what I say it TO DO because I'm (mostly)
> knowing what I'm doing.
>
> F.
>
> PS: Imagine you send your wife buying some food. What is more
> applicable? Telling her what to buy or telling her what not to buy?

So where's your problem? You say emerge -u world, and it updates world...
You can also try --pretend to see what you're doing before it's too late.
And seemingly, you also told etc-update to overwrite your fstab, and it did ;)

/Wolfgang
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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Mick]

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Hi Frank,

On Wednesday 27 September 2006 19:04, sdoma wrote:

> I've tried to get documentoin for Tcl/tk, put 'doc' into the package.use
> for these files and re-emerged tcl and tk (BTW: no docs for these
> packages came up). 

A search in Gmane on this ML, or the Gentoo forums will provide you with an 
answer and a way forward for this problem (I'm not using it myself so I am 
not sure what the answer is).

> emerge told me, that there is a new version of 
> portage available and that it is HIGHLY recommended to upgrade portage.

Yes, it is generally good practice to upgrade portage when it tells you to do 
so.

> I did so and 87 packages where upgraded, amongst this glibc to 2.4, what
> hurts me now because I planned to install Oracle, which requires
> glibc2.3.

There was a recent update of gcc and glibc and there have been detailed 
instructions on the gentoo documentation (gcc), on this ML (both gcc & glibc) 
and the forums.  With regards to Oracle, you may need to temporarily upgrade 
to an unstable package while devs catch up with the upgraded system tools - 
search the ML and forums because I'm afraid do not use Oracle to know what's 
the solution with this problem.

> Seems x86 or ~x86 doesn't make much a difference. I reinstalled the
> system not so long ago with x86 fo this reason.

It does make a difference if you update often (on average you will be emerging 
many more packages running a ~ARCH).  Less so if you update once in a blue 
moon.  Also, a stable system is <aheam> 'stable'?  Well, most of the time it 
is more stable than running on the bleeding edge.

> I remember the same problems a couple of times in the past. /etc/fstab
> was "upgraded" to the initial one (the one with /dev/BOOT and dev/ROOT
> inside resulting in a not booting system), networking stopped working
> letting me on my own, stopping hotplug (and historical
> coldplug-nonsense) functionality, udev.rules where replaced by some
> initial one for a syntax change in udev (using ``sed'' would be a better
> choice here) ...

No critical configuration files are blindly updated/upgraded.  I do not know 
of /etc/fstab ever being updated automatically without first *asking* you 
what you want to do.  etc-update, dispatch-conf et al will always ask what to 
do with /etc/fstab (unless you have tweaked the list of directories/files 
that they are checking).

> Just a minor thing, before I realized the USB problem, I was working on
> 'localhost:unknown-domain' after the "upgrade".

/etc/conf.d/net changed as part of a new baselayout upgrade.

> I'm really sick of solving the same problems again and again. Seems
> Gentoo is a system for students not needing their comps to be working.
>
> For me it looks at this point like: "Every other distribution is a
> better choice for somebody who needs his machine for work". I don't like
> to say that, but this is my expirience. :((((((((((((((

I actually do use my machine for work.  I upgrade little and often (every 2-3 
days), except for big system upgrades which I save for the weekend just in 
case things go tits-up.  I have broadly found Gentoo's updates and upgrades 
when managed intelligently to be less disruptive than re-installing afresh 
Fedora, or SUSE every six months (I haven't tried other distros).  
Furthermore the choice of Gentoo applications and their ability to 
intelligently handle a plethora of dependencies makes it much easier to run 
an updated machine, than at least the other two distros I have just 
mentioned.

> Regards
> Frank
>
> PS: X-cuse me top-posting. This is a really exportant issue, and I'm
> disturbing it. ;-(

Until people eventually give up trying to help you.

> PS 2: Co work with LFS! They have the same target (get people to know
> the functionality of Linux). I'll install some working distro which is
> conform with other POSIX compliant systems ... with a tear in my
> eye. :((((((((((((

The Gentoo meta-distribution provides greater freedom of choice in shaping 
your system to your preferences.  The trade-off is the user time that needs 
to be invested in implementing it.  On the other hand if one of the numerous 
distros offered by the wider Linux community fits your needs better straight 
out of the box - then go for it!  WRT your comment on LFS, I would not think 
that Gentoo's primary driver is the same like LFX, although greater knowledge 
of Linux and Gentoo is a much welcomed side effect (at least by some of us ;)
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Mick

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[gentoo-user] Re: Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Alexander Skwar]

· Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:

> If you don't understand exactly what the -5 option in etc-update will do,
> don't use it. If you do understand, you probably won't use it anyway.

Uhm, I've got to disagree. I use -5 quite often. I have a look at
the list of files and if I *KNOW* that I did not touch those files,
I'm very happy "-5'ing" etc-update, so to say.

So, yes, if you do understand, you probably will use it.

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Wednesday 27 September 2006 13:04, sdoma <sdoma@karneval.cz> wrote 
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?':
> I've tried to get documentoin for Tcl/tk, put 'doc' into the package.use
> for these files and re-emerged tcl and tk (BTW: no docs for these
> packages came up).

What do you mean came up?  The doc USE-flag doesn't add to the output of 
the emerge (generally) and certainly isn't going to open some window with 
documentation in it!  You can use equery to see what files a package 
installed but, generally, docs are installed to /usr/share/docs

> emerge told me, that there is a new version of 
> portage available and that it is HIGHLY recommended to upgrade portage.
> I did so and 87 packages where upgraded

So, you think "upgrade portage" means to execute "emerge -u world"?  That's 
wrong, and you would have known that if you'd have read the documentation.

> amongst this glibc to 2.4, what 
> hurts me now because I planned to install Oracle, which requires
> glibc2.3.

Well, emerge does provide -p (--pretend) and -a (--ask) options so that you 
can see what changes it suggests.  Portage also 
reads /etc/portage/package.mask to determine your local preferences for 
what not to install.

> Seems x86 or ~x86 doesn't make much a difference. I reinstalled the
> system not so long ago with x86 fo this reason.

That true, with the new gcc being stable, the new glibc has become stable.  
~x86 got this upgrade before x86, but even x86 gets upgrades from time to 
time.

> I remember the same problems a couple of times in the past. /etc/fstab
> was "upgraded" to the initial one (the one with /dev/BOOT and dev/ROOT
> inside resulting in a not booting system),

By, default that file in is a CONFIG_PROTECT-ed directory, which means 
portage will not overwrite it.

You have either (a) CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK-ed that directory (a horrible idea) 
or (b) explicitly *told* etc-update, dispatch-conf, or some other 
configuration file management tool to replace your old version; that tool 
just did what you told it to.

> networking stopped working 
> letting me on my own, stopping hotplug (and historical
> coldplug-nonsense) functionality, udev.rules where replaced by some
> initial one for a syntax change in udev

All of these sound like you made some mistake when managing your 
configuration files.  Perhaps by using the -5 option in etc-update, an 
almost universally bad idea.  It is available because it might be useful 
to people who read the documentation.

> Just a minor thing, before I realized the USB problem, I was working on
> 'localhost:unknown-domain' after the "upgrade".

Again, sounds like a run with etc-update, although it might be related to 
some of the changes in how your hostname and domainname are set.

> I'm really sick of solving the same problems again and again. Seems
> Gentoo is a system for students not needing their comps to be working.

Odd.  I've been running testing (~ARCH) Gentoo since the 2004.3 release, 
and I don't get that impression.  There are some things that need to be 
fixed.  The way package configuration is done is not one of them.

> For me it looks at this point like: "Every other distribution is a
> better choice for somebody who needs his machine for work". I don't like
> to say that, but this is my expirience. :(

I'm sorry your Gentoo doesn't work the way you expect right now.  If you'd 
like, I can help your fix your issues, although it may take some time, and 
it will definitely both effort and care on your part. Hopefully, we'll 
also learn how to prevent those issues from reoccurring.

We might even find things Gentoo can do better, but be prepared to defend 
any proposed changes and also realize that all the developers are 
volunteers so no one can force them to implement any change.

> PS: X-cuse me top-posting. This is a really exportant issue, and I'm
> disturbing it. ;-(

I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean, but when using your mailer 
(Evolution, I think) there's no excuse for top-posting.

> PS 2: Co work with LFS! They have the same target (get people to know
> the functionality of Linux).

That's not Gentoo's goal.  Gentoo's goal (if there is a single goal) is to 
be a tool instead of a mindset.  Do do what you want and get out of the 
way.

> I'll install some working distro which is 
> conform with other POSIX compliant systems

Like Gentoo?

-- 
"If there's one thing we've established over the years,
it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
-- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 22:44:40 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

> > If you don't understand exactly what the -5 option in etc-update will
> > do, don't use it. If you do understand, you probably won't use it
> > anyway.  
> 
> Uhm, I've got to disagree. I use -5 quite often. I have a look at
> the list of files and if I *KNOW* that I did not touch those files,
> I'm very happy "-5'ing" etc-update, so to say.
> 
> So, yes, if you do understand, you probably will use it.

Not in the way that causes the problems, of -5ing everything. When i used
etc-update, I wuld go through the list, accepting some changes and
rejecting others, then -5 the remainder, which were often example configs.

That's not the same as -5ing everything, which is what I was referring to
and the easy way to toast /etc/fstab.


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can picture us attacking that world, because they'd never expect it."

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Joe Menola]

On Wednesday 27 September 2006 5:10 pm, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> That's not the same as -5ing everything, which is what I was referring to
> and the easy way to toast /etc/fstab.

Can you give an example of *any* situation that would make updating fstab  
sensible?
Should never even be considered or an option, IMO. 
Important etc files should be placed in .example form and the user warned that 
editting is required. 
Etc-update has always been the thorn in Gentoo. Again, IMO.

-jm
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 17:59:55 -0500, Joe Menola wrote:

> Can you give an example of *any* situation that would make updating
> fstab sensible?
> Should never even be considered or an option, IMO. 
> Important etc files should be placed in .example form and the user
> warned that editting is required. 
> Etc-update has always been the thorn in Gentoo. Again, IMO.

I've always felt that fstab, along with a couple of others, should not be
in baselayout, since it should never be "upgraded". There was a patch for
dispatch-conf that allowed you to "freeze" some files so it would never
even offer to update them, but it hasn't been updated for nearly two
years and doesn't work with more recent versions.

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=68618


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Wednesday 27 September 2006 17:59, Joe Menola <menola@sbcglobal.net> 
wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user]  Re: Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u 
world''?':
> On Wednesday 27 September 2006 5:10 pm, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > That's not the same as -5ing everything, which is what I was referring
> > to and the easy way to toast /etc/fstab.
>
> Can you give an example of *any* situation that would make updating
> fstab sensible?

No, which is why shipping /etc/fstab as part of baselayout should go away.  
Surely there's a solution that provides examples for new user/installs, 
but doesn't bug me to update a file that upstream cannot possibly know 
good contents for.

> Important etc files should be placed in .example form and the user
> warned that editting is required.

Yeah, but imagine if every configuration file has a .example?  I don't want 
a bunch of unused files cluttering my filesystem.  (I guess I could 
INSTALL_MASK them if there was a naming policy.)

> Etc-update has always been the thorn in Gentoo.

Which is why I use dispatch-conf. ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Bruno Lustosa]

On 9/27/06, Joe Menola <menola@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Can you give an example of *any* situation that would make updating fstab
> sensible?

Maybe...
This line, for example, is used by glibc 2.2 and above:

none                    /dev/shm        tmpfs           defaults
        0 0

Suppose the next glibc doesn't use it anymore, or there's a new
filesystem type that would go in its place instead?
When doing config upgrades, I always skim through the list to check
for important files that I know I modified, and then deal with them
appropriately. The rest (which is normally the majority), I just do a
-5.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Alexander Skwar]

· Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:

> Not in the way that causes the problems, of -5ing everything. When i used
> etc-update, I wuld go through the list, accepting some changes and
> rejecting others, then -5 the remainder, which were often example configs.

That's what I do as well.

> That's not the same as -5ing everything, which is what I was referring to
> and the easy way to toast /etc/fstab.

Ah, okay, then I did not understand you completely right.

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: Should we NEVER do an ``emerge -u world''?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 29 Sep 2006 07:41:22 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

> > That's not the same as -5ing everything, which is what I was
> > referring to and the easy way to toast /etc/fstab.  
> 
> Ah, okay, then I did not understand you completely right.

Probably because I didn't explain myself very clearly first time :(


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