[gentoo-user] kwallet

[gentoo-user] kwallet

[Martins Steinbergs]

Hi

Could someone tell me where to swith off kwallet? I have those anoing kwallet 
popups using kmail.


mar martins # equery b kwallet
[ Searching for file(s) kwallet in *... ]
kde-base/kdelibs-3.5.4-r1 
(/usr/kde/3.5/share/doc/HTML/en/kdelibs-apidocs/kwallet)
mar martins # eix -s kwallet
* kde-base/kwalletmanager
     Available versions:  (3.5)  3.5.2 3.5.3 3.5.4 3.5.4-r1
     Homepage:            http://www.kde.org/
     Description:         KDE Wallet Management Tool
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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:24:55 +0300, Martins Steinbergs wrote:

> Could someone tell me where to swith off kwallet? I have those anoing
> kwallet popups using kmail.

I looked into this a while ago, asking on this list and elsewhere, and it
didn't seem possible to go back to the old KMail behaviour of storing
email passwords in the config.

One thing I may not have tried is setting KMail to use a different wallet
and giving that wallet no password. I don't even know if this is possible.

I don't use KMail myself, so it's my partner's problem, but it really
should be possible to disable this behaviour. Maybe you should file a KDE
bug if you can't find a way to turn it off.


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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Martins Steinbergs]

On Thursday 21 September 2006 14:22, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:24:55 +0300, Martins Steinbergs wrote:
>
> I looked into this a while ago, asking on this list and elsewhere, and it
> didn't seem possible to go back to the old KMail behaviour of storing
> email passwords in the config.
>
> One thing I may not have tried is setting KMail to use a different wallet
> and giving that wallet no password. I don't even know if this is possible.
>
> I don't use KMail myself, so it's my partner's problem, but it really
> should be possible to disable this behaviour. Maybe you should file a KDE
> bug if you can't find a way to turn it off.

Heh, well hidden option. grepped everywere with no luck. Then did emerge 
kwalletmanager and first option was to uncheck kwallet subsystem.

m

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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:40:04 +0300, Martins Steinbergs wrote:

> > I don't use KMail myself, so it's my partner's problem, but it really
> > should be possible to disable this behaviour. Maybe you should file a
> > KDE bug if you can't find a way to turn it off.  
> 
> Heh, well hidden option. grepped everywere with no luck. Then did
> emerge kwalletmanager and first option was to uncheck kwallet subsystem.

Do you mean you disabled kwallet completely? That sucks, kwallet is
useful for website passwords etc, just a pain with KMail.


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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Uwe Thiem]

On 21 September 2006 15:50, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:40:04 +0300, Martins Steinbergs wrote:
> > > I don't use KMail myself, so it's my partner's problem, but it really
> > > should be possible to disable this behaviour. Maybe you should file a
> > > KDE bug if you can't find a way to turn it off.
> >
> > Heh, well hidden option. grepped everywere with no luck. Then did
> > emerge kwalletmanager and first option was to uncheck kwallet subsystem.
>
> Do you mean you disabled kwallet completely? That sucks, kwallet is
> useful for website passwords etc, just a pain with KMail.

I you leave kmail open all the time like I do kwallet isn't a pain.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Thursday 21 September 2006 15:50, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:40:04 +0300, Martins Steinbergs wrote:
> > > I don't use KMail myself, so it's my partner's problem, but it really
> > > should be possible to disable this behaviour. Maybe you should file a
> > > KDE bug if you can't find a way to turn it off.
> >
> > Heh, well hidden option. grepped everywere with no luck. Then did
> > emerge kwalletmanager and first option was to uncheck kwallet subsystem.
>
> Do you mean you disabled kwallet completely? That sucks, kwallet is
> useful for website passwords etc, just a pain with KMail.

why? why a pain?

It asks for the password once - and as long as you do not close kmail, it 
won't ask for it again.
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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:07:48 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> > Do you mean you disabled kwallet completely? That sucks, kwallet is
> > useful for website passwords etc, just a pain with KMail.  
> 
> why? why a pain?
> 
> It asks for the password once - and as long as you do not close kmail,
> it won't ask for it again.

But if you do close it, it's more of a pain. /home is on an encrypted
filesystem, so there is no need to password protect the password again.


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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Thursday 21 September 2006 18:57, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 18:07:48 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > > Do you mean you disabled kwallet completely? That sucks, kwallet is
> > > useful for website passwords etc, just a pain with KMail.
> >
> > why? why a pain?
> >
> > It asks for the password once - and as long as you do not close kmail,
> > it won't ask for it again.
>
> But if you do close it, it's more of a pain. /home is on an encrypted
> filesystem, so there is no need to password protect the password again.

and it closes after a while, when no website asks for a pw. So everytime you 
surf on a website, you have to enter the kwallet pw.

I don't see, why kmail's behaviour is more painfull.
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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:38:46 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> > But if you do close it, it's more of a pain. /home is on an encrypted
> > filesystem, so there is no need to password protect the password
> > again.  
> 
> and it closes after a while, when no website asks for a pw. So
> everytime you surf on a website, you have to enter the kwallet pw.

Only if you configure it so.

> I don't see, why kmail's behaviour is more painfull.

It is an extra level of inconvenience for the person using KMail.
Computers are supposed to make things easier. If we wanted to modify our
behaviour to suit the software, we'd be using Windows :(


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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Thursday 21 September 2006 21:53, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 21:38:46 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > > But if you do close it, it's more of a pain. /home is on an encrypted
> > > filesystem, so there is no need to password protect the password
> > > again.
> >
> > and it closes after a while, when no website asks for a pw. So
> > everytime you surf on a website, you have to enter the kwallet pw.
>
> Only if you configure it so.
>

and the same way you can configure kwallet to never close, so kmail only ask 
once (to open it) and never again.

I prefer a self-closing kwallet - so I can leave my box for some time, without 
the risk, that someone copies all my 20+ passwords ;)
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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:35:23 +0200, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> and the same way you can configure kwallet to never close, so kmail
> only ask once (to open it) and never again.

Good point.

> I prefer a self-closing kwallet - so I can leave my box for some time,
> without the risk, that someone copies all my 20+ passwords ;)

Same here, especially on my laptop which has a much shorter timeout.

But this is for my partner's box, and if someone want to steal her
passwords and pay off the credit cards, I don't mind :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Martins Steinbergs]

On Thursday 21 September 2006 16:50, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 15:40:04 +0300, Martins Steinbergs wrote:
> > > I don't use KMail myself, so it's my partner's problem, but it really
> > > should be possible to disable this behaviour. Maybe you should file a
> > > KDE bug if you can't find a way to turn it off.
> >
> > Heh, well hidden option. grepped everywere with no luck. Then did
> > emerge kwalletmanager and first option was to uncheck kwallet subsystem.
>
> Do you mean you disabled kwallet completely? That sucks, kwallet is
> useful for website passwords etc, just a pain with KMail.

yes, i dont need somebody to take care. I can keep 2 sets of 
login(e-mail):passwd in my head for 'sign for free' sites. Then passwords for 
3 banks i keep in head with backup in encrypted txt file.


m
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[gentoo-user] Re: kwallet [SOLVED]

[Mick]

Martins Steinbergs wrote:

> On Thursday 21 September 2006 14:22, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:24:55 +0300, Martins Steinbergs wrote:
>>
>> I looked into this a while ago, asking on this list and elsewhere, and it
>> didn't seem possible to go back to the old KMail behaviour of storing
>> email passwords in the config.
>>
>> One thing I may not have tried is setting KMail to use a different wallet
>> and giving that wallet no password. I don't even know if this is
>> possible.
>>
>> I don't use KMail myself, so it's my partner's problem, but it really
>> should be possible to disable this behaviour. Maybe you should file a KDE
>> bug if you can't find a way to turn it off.
> 
> Heh, well hidden option. grepped everywere with no luck. Then did emerge
> kwalletmanager and first option was to uncheck kwallet subsystem.
> 
> m

Yes, that's the way to disable it.  If you click on it in the tooltray and
then go to Settings/Configure Kwallet, you can dis-select "Enable
kwallet . . .".
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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Joe Menola]

On Thursday 21 September 2006 7:40 am, Martins Steinbergs wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:24:55 +0300, Martins Steinbergs wrote:
> >
> > I looked into this a while ago, asking on this list and elsewhere, and it
> > didn't seem possible to go back to the old KMail behaviour of storing
> > email passwords in the config.

If you go into kwallet manager and tell it to not allow kmail access, kmail 
should prompt you for a password and you can at that point tell kmail to 
"keep password"

-jm
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Re: [gentoo-user] kwallet [SOLVED]

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 17:16:46 -0500, Joe Menola wrote:

> If you go into kwallet manager and tell it to not allow kmail access,
> kmail should prompt you for a password and you can at that point tell
> kmail to "keep password"

I tried that, but it asked for the password each time, instead of saving
it. That was a couple of releases ago, so it's worth another try.


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