[gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken

[gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken

[Lord Sauron]

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I can't figure out how to fix this one - NOT for lack of trying, 
however.

I'm slowly trying to become more terminal-friendly and less 
GUI-dependent.  I also keep hearing how Emacs is so cool and powerful 
and useful and blah.  So I decided to try and learn it and see for 
myself.

Installed it on my Kubuntu desktop and it worked fine.  On my Gentoo 
laptop... a whole other story.

I have app-editors/emacs v21.4-r4 installed.  I don't have xemacs or 
xemacs-base installed.  This is probably applicable, so that's why I'm 
including it.

When I use emacs I see the menus and all things X11, however, the editor 
shows nothing but those annoying blocks that signify some kind of 
problem with the font.  I tried changing the fontset and stuff, but 
only succeeded in crashing X twice and then making the boxes smaller or 
larger and then crashing X.

I looked though Portage and by a total miracle found media-fonts/ (was 
using Kuroo, which organizes things like media/fonts, so I didn't look 
in media/ for fonts, so I almost missed it).  I installed a few fonts 
that I thought might rectify the situation, however, they didn't.

What should I do to fix Emacs?  I hear it's a very powerful and useful 
editor, and I would like to learn to use it (vi and/or its many 
variants is next on my list, so no emacs vs. vi wars please) so any 
assistance would be very helpful.

Thanks for your time!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken

[darren kirby]

quoth the Lord Sauron:
<snip>

> What should I do to fix Emacs?  I hear it's a very powerful and useful
> editor, and I would like to learn to use it (vi and/or its many
> variants is next on my list, so no emacs vs. vi wars please) so any
> assistance would be very helpful.

This is but a taste of the pain and suffering you will experience when you use 
emacs. Just use vim already ;)

Seriously though...I am not familiar with emacs but I think your problem may 
be solved in one of two ways

1. Configure emacs to use us-ascii as the default charset (no idea how).
2. Configure your console to use a unicode charset (see [1])

Just taking a shot in the dark here...
  
> Thanks for your time!

HTH

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/utf-8.xml

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken

[Lord Sauron]

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On Saturday 09 September 2006 04:05, darren kirby wrote:
> quoth the Lord Sauron:
> <snip>
>
> > What should I do to fix Emacs?  I hear it's a very powerful and
> > useful editor, and I would like to learn to use it (vi and/or its
> > many variants is next on my list, so no emacs vs. vi wars please)
> > so any assistance would be very helpful.
>
> This is but a taste of the pain and suffering you will experience
> when you use emacs. Just use vim already ;)
>
> Seriously though...I am not familiar with emacs but I think your
> problem may be solved in one of two ways
>
> 1. Configure emacs to use us-ascii as the default charset (no idea
> how). 2. Configure your console to use a unicode charset (see [1])
>
> Just taking a shot in the dark here...

Much more confused than before.  I get why I'd want to use unicode, but 
the instructions on how to do that were outdated or for a setup other 
than mine and they threw me off real quickly.

I also spent some time looking through the Gentoo Wiki and found that 
there's a grand total of one article about emacs.  Not much help.

I'll keep trying though.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken

[darren kirby]

quoth the Lord Sauron:
>
> Much more confused than before.  I get why I'd want to use unicode, but
> the instructions on how to do that were outdated or for a setup other
> than mine and they threw me off real quickly.

> I also spent some time looking through the Gentoo Wiki and found that
> there's a grand total of one article about emacs.  Not much help.

Sorry your still having a rough time of it.

Does this help:
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html#Fontsets

Half joking here but, if you want help with emacs then give #scheme on 
freenode a try...they just luvs their emacs there...

> I'll keep trying though.

Still not convinced you should just use vim ;)

-d
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Re: [gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken

[Robert Cernansky]

On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:24:11 -0700 Lord Sauron <lordsauronthegreat@gmail.com> wrote:

> > quoth the Lord Sauron:
[...]
> > > What should I do to fix Emacs?  I hear it's a very powerful and
[...]
> Much more confused than before.  I get why I'd want to use unicode,
> but the instructions on how to do that were outdated or for a setup
> other than mine and they threw me off real quickly.

Did you try ran emacs in X also? Is there the same behaviour? In X you
can pres Shift + Left mouse click to select fonts.

You can also play with locale setting in your system. For example try
to start emacs with default/none locale:

$ LC_ALL=C emacs

To set emacs to use UTF-8 put this into your ~/.emacs file:

(setq locale-coding-system 'utf-8)
(set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)
(set-keyboard-coding-system 'utf-8)
(set-selection-coding-system 'utf-8)
(set-clipboard-coding-system 'utf-8)
(prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
(modify-coding-system-alist 'file "" 'utf-8)
(setq process-coding-system-alist '((".*" . utf-8)))
(setq x-select-request-type '(UTF8_STRING COMPOUND_TEXT TEXT STRING))

But it should not be necessary if you use some UTF-8 locale in your
system (emacs will use UTF-8 by default then). You can also try to
change the 'utf-8' string to some other (non utf-8) enconding, for
example iso-8859-1.

Try to emerge some basic X.Org fonts, for example
media-fonts/font-misc-misc. Also emerge media-fonts/intlfonts.

I hope it helps.

Robert


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Re: [gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken

[Lord Sauron]

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On Wednesday 13 September 2006 09:53, Robert Cernansky wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Sep 2006 16:24:11 -0700 Lord Sauron 
<lordsauronthegreat@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > quoth the Lord Sauron:
>
> [...]
>
> > > > What should I do to fix Emacs?  I hear it's a very powerful and
>
> [...]
>
> > Much more confused than before.  I get why I'd want to use unicode,
> > but the instructions on how to do that were outdated or for a setup
> > other than mine and they threw me off real quickly.
>
> Did you try ran emacs in X also? Is there the same behaviour? In X
> you can pres Shift + Left mouse click to select fonts.
>
> You can also play with locale setting in your system. For example try
> to start emacs with default/none locale:
>
> $ LC_ALL=C emacs
>
> To set emacs to use UTF-8 put this into your ~/.emacs file:
>
> (setq locale-coding-system 'utf-8)
> (set-terminal-coding-system 'utf-8)
> (set-keyboard-coding-system 'utf-8)
> (set-selection-coding-system 'utf-8)
> (set-clipboard-coding-system 'utf-8)
> (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8)
> (modify-coding-system-alist 'file "" 'utf-8)
> (setq process-coding-system-alist '((".*" . utf-8)))
> (setq x-select-request-type '(UTF8_STRING COMPOUND_TEXT TEXT STRING))
>
> But it should not be necessary if you use some UTF-8 locale in your
> system (emacs will use UTF-8 by default then). You can also try to
> change the 'utf-8' string to some other (non utf-8) enconding, for
> example iso-8859-1.
>
> Try to emerge some basic X.Org fonts, for example
> media-fonts/font-misc-misc. Also emerge media-fonts/intlfonts.

I tried that, and emerge --pretend promptly told me that xorg 6.9 or 
something was blocking virtually everything x-related.  It was really 
weird.  It's also blocking xemacs (the package I think will fix this 
mess).  This probably means that I have to go find and fix my package 
masks.  The difficulty there is that there's a ton of junk I'm still 
using (like Eclipse 3.1) which is masked.  I think this is going to end 
up being a battle between me and portage to sort out my package masks.  
Is there a untampered copy of packages.mask (or whatever it's called) 
that I can use to compare with mine to try and fix this mess?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Emacs - (I think [the]) Fonts [are] Broken

[darren kirby]

quoth the Lord Sauron:
>
> I tried that, and emerge --pretend promptly told me that xorg 6.9 or
> something was blocking virtually everything x-related. 
> It was really 
> weird.  

Not weird, it wants you to install Xorg 7.0 which is modular. Ie: you must 
unmerge Xorg 6.x altogether and then reinstall. xorg-x11 is now a virtual 
package which brings in all the now modular parts that you need.

See:  http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-howto.xml

-d

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