[gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Dale]

Hi,

As some may already know, I'm doing a new install on another hard
drive.  I have a question about arts.  I have this for a sound card:

> 01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1
> (rev 0a)

Do I need to compile KDE with arts support with this card?  I never have
started alsasound before, if that has anything to do with it, and sound
works fine.

I'm about to start the big KDE compile and was wondering before I started.

Thanks.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)

Hmmm, while I am at it, what's the difference between xorg-x11 and
xorg-server?  I hope I didn't emerge the wrong one.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 12 September 2006 08:22, Dale wrote:
> Hmmm, while I am at it, what's the difference between
> xorg-x11 and xorg-server?  I hope I didn't emerge the wrong
> one.

xorg-server is a result of the new modular X.
xorg-x11 depends on xorg-server, so you emerge xorg-x11, which 
then emerges the X-server proper

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 08:22, Dale wrote:
>   
>> Hmmm, while I am at it, what's the difference between
>> xorg-x11 and xorg-server?  I hope I didn't emerge the wrong
>> one.
>>     
>
> xorg-server is a result of the new modular X.
> xorg-x11 depends on xorg-server, so you emerge xorg-x11, which 
> then emerges the X-server proper
>
> alan
>
>   

Uh oh.  I hope I can go back and emerge xorg-x11 and it all works OK. 
Here we go. 

Thanks much.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Uwe Thiem]

On 12 September 2006 08:22, Dale wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As some may already know, I'm doing a new install on another hard
>
> drive.  I have a question about arts.  I have this for a sound card:
> > 01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1
> > (rev 0a)
>
> Do I need to compile KDE with arts support with this card?  I never have
> started alsasound before, if that has anything to do with it, and sound
> works fine.
>
> I'm about to start the big KDE compile and was wondering before I started.

If you want all the KDE "goodies" in the sound domain (system notifications 
and such) you better do for the time being (pre-KDE4).

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Richard Fish]

On 9/11/06, Dale <teendale@vista-express.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As some may already know, I'm doing a new install on another hard
> drive.  I have a question about arts.  I have this for a sound card:
>
> > 01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1
> > (rev 0a)
>
> Do I need to compile KDE with arts support with this card?  I never have
> started alsasound before, if that has anything to do with it, and sound
> works fine.

arts is never needed for multiple alsa-capable applications to access
any sound card now, as the dmix plugin is enabled by default since
alsa version 1.0.9.  OSS-only applications are still a problem
however, as only one can access the sound card at a time.

That said, arts is still useful for KDE 3.5 if you want sound
notifications for error popups, login/logout events, etc, as it makes
notifications perform much much better IME.

-Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Dale]

Richard Fish wrote:
> On 9/11/06, Dale <teendale@vista-express.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some may already know, I'm doing a new install on another hard
>> drive.  I have a question about arts.  I have this for a sound card:
>>
>> > 01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1
>> > (rev 0a)
>>
>> Do I need to compile KDE with arts support with this card?  I never have
>> started alsasound before, if that has anything to do with it, and sound
>> works fine.
>
> arts is never needed for multiple alsa-capable applications to access
> any sound card now, as the dmix plugin is enabled by default since
> alsa version 1.0.9.  OSS-only applications are still a problem
> however, as only one can access the sound card at a time.
>
> That said, arts is still useful for KDE 3.5 if you want sound
> notifications for error popups, login/logout events, etc, as it makes
> notifications perform much much better IME.
>
> -Richard

Thanks.  Now to start the whooper compile.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Tuesday 12 September 2006 09:37, Richard Fish wrote:
> That said, arts is still useful for KDE 3.5 if you want sound
> notifications for error popups, login/logout events, etc, as it makes
> notifications perform much much better IME.

As in compiling kdelibs with the arts use flag and then disabling arts in 
kcontrol? Or as in actually enabling the arts use flag globally and using 
arts? :O

I'll have to say I'm a bit curious about how you get to the conclusion that 
the latter would be better than the former...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Dale]

Uwe Thiem wrote:
> On 12 September 2006 08:22, Dale wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> As some may already know, I'm doing a new install on another hard
>>
>> drive.  I have a question about arts.  I have this for a sound card:
>>     
>>> 01:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1
>>> (rev 0a)
>>>       
>> Do I need to compile KDE with arts support with this card?  I never have
>> started alsasound before, if that has anything to do with it, and sound
>> works fine.
>>
>> I'm about to start the big KDE compile and was wondering before I started.
>>     
>
> If you want all the KDE "goodies" in the sound domain (system notifications 
> and such) you better do for the time being (pre-KDE4).
>
> Uwe
>
>   

I did.  It has been working so far.  I'm just trying to "clean up" a
little here.  My old install has really been put through the works while
I have been learning Gentoo for the past 3 years or so.  Doing a really
nice clean install.

Thanks

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Richard Fish]

On 9/12/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 09:37, Richard Fish wrote:
> > That said, arts is still useful for KDE 3.5 if you want sound
> > notifications for error popups, login/logout events, etc, as it makes
> > notifications perform much much better IME.
>
> As in compiling kdelibs with the arts use flag and then disabling arts in
> kcontrol? Or as in actually enabling the arts use flag globally and using
> arts? :O

The latter...

> I'll have to say I'm a bit curious about how you get to the conclusion that
> the latter would be better than the former...

...well I was playing with this last week.  Without arts enabled in
kcontrol, and KDE set to use an external player, I recall having a
noticable delay between when a dialog appeared or other event occurred
and when the sound would play.  With arts enabled and playing sounds
through it, the sounds played almost immediately.

I could be incorrect on this though, as I was having problems with
notifications playing in general, even through artsd (which I
eventually traced to having artsplugin-xine installed _without_
artsplugin-audiofile, which caused artsd to want to play all audio
through xine plugins, and fail with "unable to open file" more often
than not).  Others are welcome to share their experiences with
external players and KDE notifications. ;-)

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Dale]

Richard Fish wrote:
> On 9/12/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen <bo.andresen@zlin.dk> wrote:
>> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 09:37, Richard Fish wrote:
>> > That said, arts is still useful for KDE 3.5 if you want sound
>> > notifications for error popups, login/logout events, etc, as it makes
>> > notifications perform much much better IME.
>>
>> As in compiling kdelibs with the arts use flag and then disabling
>> arts in
>> kcontrol? Or as in actually enabling the arts use flag globally and
>> using
>> arts? :O
>
> The latter...
>
>> I'll have to say I'm a bit curious about how you get to the
>> conclusion that
>> the latter would be better than the former...
>
> ...well I was playing with this last week.  Without arts enabled in
> kcontrol, and KDE set to use an external player, I recall having a
> noticable delay between when a dialog appeared or other event occurred
> and when the sound would play.  With arts enabled and playing sounds
> through it, the sounds played almost immediately.
>
> I could be incorrect on this though, as I was having problems with
> notifications playing in general, even through artsd (which I
> eventually traced to having artsplugin-xine installed _without_
> artsplugin-audiofile, which caused artsd to want to play all audio
> through xine plugins, and fail with "unable to open file" more often
> than not).  Others are welcome to share their experiences with
> external players and KDE notifications. ;-)
>
> -Richard
>

Now that you mentioned it, a long time ago I had to use a external
player because I could not get any sound at all. This was a long time
ago though.  Maybe a year to year and a half or so.  I think I was using
KDE 3.4 or so.

I kept the flag in there just in case.  It can't hurt that much I guess.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Tuesday 12 September 2006 11:14, Richard Fish wrote:
> > As in compiling kdelibs with the arts use flag and then disabling arts in
> > kcontrol? Or as in actually enabling the arts use flag globally and using
> > arts? :O
>
> The latter...
>
> > I'll have to say I'm a bit curious about how you get to the conclusion
> > that the latter would be better than the former...
>
> ...well I was playing with this last week.  Without arts enabled in
> kcontrol, and KDE set to use an external player, I recall having a
> noticable delay between when a dialog appeared or other event occurred
> and when the sound would play.  With arts enabled and playing sounds
> through it, the sounds played almost immediately.
>
> I could be incorrect on this though, as I was having problems with
> notifications playing in general, even through artsd (which I
> eventually traced to having artsplugin-xine installed _without_
> artsplugin-audiofile, which caused artsd to want to play all audio
> through xine plugins, and fail with "unable to open file" more often
> than not).  Others are welcome to share their experiences with
> external players and KDE notifications. ;-)

Thanks for clarification. :) IIRC KDE notifications didn't work at all if I 
didn't compile kdelibs with the arts use flag.

Anyhow, my current approach is to compile kde-base/kdelibs with the arts
use flag and everything else without it. In kcontrol in "Sound & 
Multimedia" -> "Sound system" I have disabled the sound system and in "Sound 
& Multimedia" -> "System Notifications" -> "Player Settings" I have 
chosen /usr/bin/playsound as external player. I at least haven't noticed any 
delays.

$ equery belongs playsound
[ Searching for file(s) playsound in *... ]
media-libs/sdl-sound-1.0.1-r1 (/usr/bin/playsound)

YMMV

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Re: [gentoo-user] Question about arts.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 01:50:01 -0500, Dale wrote:

> > xorg-server is a result of the new modular X.
> > xorg-x11 depends on xorg-server, so you emerge xorg-x11, which 
> > then emerges the X-server proper

> Uh oh.  I hope I can go back and emerge xorg-x11 and it all works OK. 
> Here we go. 

You shouldn't need to explicitly emerge xorg, just let portage pull in
the correct package as a dependency of whatever X programs you install.


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