[gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Jerry McBride]

My son, all of thirteen years old, the master of all he surveys, the supreme 
keeper of all knowledge of the known and unknown universes, the pinultimate 
ruler of mankind... Has "asked" me to put Linux on his desktop computer...

It seems he has become weary of maintaining/re-installed his beloved XP...

Life is good.

Cheers, Jerry

P.S. the next to be converted beneath my humble roof is my wife... Stay tuned.
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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Mick]

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On Saturday 09 September 2006 20:03, Jerry McBride wrote:
> My son, all of thirteen years old, the master of all he surveys, the
> supreme keeper of all knowledge of the known and unknown universes, the
> pinultimate ruler of mankind... Has "asked" me to put Linux on his desktop
> computer...
>
> It seems he has become weary of maintaining/re-installed his beloved XP...
>
> Life is good.
>
> Cheers, Jerry
>
> P.S. the next to be converted beneath my humble roof is my wife... Stay
> tuned.

From different statistics published in the web I have noticed a correlation 
between an increase in the uptake of Linux and:

a) Major M$Windoze virus or trojan breakouts.
b) Launch of new M$Windoze OS variants (e.g. Win98 --> Win2k, or Win2k --> 
WinXP).

where (b) above appears to be more significant in forcing people to reconsider 
their options.  Since I refuse point blank to pay for Vista, I'd like to see 
that my wife is going to do within the next couple of years, he, he!  ;-)

Although she promised that when the NTFS drivers for Linux are developed 
adequately to allow her to work on her NTFS stored data from both OS, she 
will make an effort to migrate.  Let's see . . .
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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Daniel Waeber]

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> Although she promised that when the NTFS drivers for Linux are developed 
> adequately to allow her to work on her NTFS stored data from both OS, she 
> will make an effort to migrate.  Let's see . . .

hey, that's now

Have a look at the captive ntfs driver [1]
They use the binary Windows drivers for ntfs and simulate the windows
kenerl calls. Therefore it is totally save (or at least as save as the
m$ driver ;))
I never tried it, becaues I have no ntfs partitions, but it sounds good
and its already in the ports-tree.

[1] http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/
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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Saturday 9 September 2006 22:12, Daniel Waeber wrote:

> > Although she promised that when the NTFS drivers for Linux are
> > developed adequately to allow her to work on her NTFS stored data
> > from both OS, she will make an effort to migrate.  Let's see . . .
>
> hey, that's now
>
> Have a look at the captive ntfs driver [1]
> They use the binary Windows drivers for ntfs and simulate the windows
> kenerl calls. Therefore it is totally save (or at least as save as the
> m$ driver ;))
> I never tried it, becaues I have no ntfs partitions, but it sounds
> good and its already in the ports-tree.

No need for captive anymore, ntfs-g3 is open source, is in portage and 
works fine.
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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Mick]

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On Saturday 09 September 2006 21:46, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Saturday 9 September 2006 22:12, Daniel Waeber wrote:
> > > Although she promised that when the NTFS drivers for Linux are
> > > developed adequately to allow her to work on her NTFS stored data
> > > from both OS, she will make an effort to migrate.  Let's see . . .
> >
> > hey, that's now
> >
> > Have a look at the captive ntfs driver [1]
> > They use the binary Windows drivers for ntfs and simulate the windows
> > kenerl calls. Therefore it is totally save (or at least as save as the
> > m$ driver ;))
> > I never tried it, becaues I have no ntfs partitions, but it sounds
> > good and its already in the ports-tree.
>
> No need for captive anymore, ntfs-g3 is open source, is in portage and
> works fine.

Fantastic!  I'll have a try tomorrow and then install on her machine.  Thanks 
for the heads up!  :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Lord Sauron]

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On Saturday 09 September 2006 13:46, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Saturday 9 September 2006 22:12, Daniel Waeber wrote:
> > > Although she promised that when the NTFS drivers for Linux are
> > > developed adequately to allow her to work on her NTFS stored data
> > > from both OS, she will make an effort to migrate.  Let's see . .
> > > .
> >
> > hey, that's now
> >
> > Have a look at the captive ntfs driver [1]
> > They use the binary Windows drivers for ntfs and simulate the
> > windows kenerl calls. Therefore it is totally save (or at least as
> > save as the m$ driver ;))
> > I never tried it, becaues I have no ntfs partitions, but it sounds
> > good and its already in the ports-tree.
>
> No need for captive anymore, ntfs-g3 is open source, is in portage
> and works fine.

?  I've been using just normal ntfsprogs on my Kubuntu Desktop.  That 
works just fine.  It even scans the ntfs drive on boot to clean it 
(something that is really needed - whoever wrote the ntfs driver for 
windows needs to be slain with torture for the sloppy job he or she 
did!)

It is a bit annoying to have to wait for it to load as it waits for the 
scan to finish.

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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Norberto Bensa]

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Daniel Waeber wrote:
> Have a look at the captive ntfs driver [1]

Sucks.

Try ntfs-3g:

# emerge sys-fs/ntfs3g


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[gentoo-user] Re: Re: <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Alexander Skwar]

· Jerry McBride <mcbrides9@comcast.net>:

> On Saturday 09 September 2006 16:31, Alexander Skwar wrote:
>> · Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:
>> > Although she promised that when the NTFS drivers for Linux are developed
>> > adequately to allow her to work on her NTFS stored data from both OS, she
>> > will make an effort to migrate.  Let's see . .
>>
>> You might want to have a look at ntfs-3g. It's supposed to work
>> very well and allows true access to NTFS filesystems - the only
>> thing which might get lost is the ACL, IIRC.
>> 
> 
> 
> Not in my life.... We're talking about my Wifes computer.  ;')

Uhm? I'm not talking to you - I responded to Mick.

> I'll wait for the virus and worms to chase her out of widows, just like my 
> kid...

:)

Alexander Skwar
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Die Karriere ist ein Pferd, das bisweilen auch gute Reiter abwirft.
                -- James Arthur Baldwin


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Re: <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Jerry McBride]

On Sunday 10 September 2006 04:07, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> · Jerry McBride <mcbrides9@comcast.net>:
> > On Saturday 09 September 2006 16:31, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> >> · Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:
> >> > Although she promised that when the NTFS drivers for Linux are
> >> > developed adequately to allow her to work on her NTFS stored data from
> >> > both OS, she will make an effort to migrate.  Let's see . .
> >>
> >> You might want to have a look at ntfs-3g. It's supposed to work
> >> very well and allows true access to NTFS filesystems - the only
> >> thing which might get lost is the ACL, IIRC.
> >
> > Not in my life.... We're talking about my Wifes computer.  ;')
>
> Uhm? I'm not talking to you - I responded to Mick.
>


Hmmm... sorry old man... I was the original OP and your comment was indirectly 
aimed my way.

Jerry

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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Jeff Grant]

Jerry McBride wrote:
> My son, all of thirteen years old, the master of all he surveys, the supreme 
> keeper of all knowledge of the known and unknown universes, the pinultimate 
> ruler of mankind... Has "asked" me to put Linux on his desktop computer...
> 
> It seems he has become weary of maintaining/re-installed his beloved XP...
> 
> Life is good.
> 
> Cheers, Jerry
> 
> P.S. the next to be converted beneath my humble roof is my wife... Stay tuned.

Good time to learn programming! Fire up those engines!

My wife does all her work on Gentoo - I started her off on the right
foot. What you need that yucky NTFS stuff for?  :-D

Welcome aboard.

-Jeff
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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Nick Rout]

On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:03:58 -0400
Jerry McBride <mcbrides9@comcast.net> wrote:

> 
> My son, all of thirteen years old, the master of all he surveys, the supreme 
> keeper of all knowledge of the known and unknown universes, the pinultimate 
> ruler of mankind... Has "asked" me to put Linux on his desktop computer...
> 
> It seems he has become weary of maintaining/re-installed his beloved XP...
> 
> Life is good.
> 
> Cheers, Jerry
> 
> P.S. the next to be converted beneath my humble roof is my wife... Stay tuned.

There must be something in the air. My 10 year old son Miles and I have
an ongoing friendly banter about the relative merits of windows and
linux. He has windows software at school and games to play after all.

Anyway last night he was reading a section in the latest APC magazine
about the latest innovations in linux desktops, and comparing linux to
vista. He suddenly asked if he could obtain SuSE 10.1. I said "I think
its on the cover DVD". He said "Can I install it then?". Knowing that
there was an unused 35G partition on the hard drive awaiting a linux
install I said "go for it".

So I looked over his shoulder and made sure he didn't junk the windows
partition. I advised him on the choice between kde and gnome, and
assured that the other would still be available to install later. Other
than that he did the whole thing.

By the time he went to bed it was running and he'd been on the net using
firefox and checked that runescape (online java game) worked. By the
time I got up this morning he was setting up his RSS feeds in kontact
and configuring various other bits.

Pretty good I thought. Not sure whether it says something about Miles,
or about SuSE's ease of installation (probably both). He has used linux
before, and is pretty computer literate (gaining a "High Distinction"
in an international exam, batting against kids 2 years older), but
neither those exams nor school do much to prepare you for installing a
different OS.
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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Jerry McBride]

On Saturday 09 September 2006 21:21, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:03:58 -0400
>
> Jerry McBride <mcbrides9@comcast.net> wrote:
> > My son, all of thirteen years old, the master of all he surveys, the
> > supreme keeper of all knowledge of the known and unknown universes, the
> > pinultimate ruler of mankind... Has "asked" me to put Linux on his
> > desktop computer...
> >
> > It seems he has become weary of maintaining/re-installed his beloved
> > XP...
> >
> > Life is good.
> >
> > Cheers, Jerry
> >
> > P.S. the next to be converted beneath my humble roof is my wife... Stay
> > tuned.
>
> There must be something in the air. My 10 year old son Miles and I have
> an ongoing friendly banter about the relative merits of windows and
> linux. He has windows software at school and games to play after all.
>
> Anyway last night he was reading a section in the latest APC magazine
> about the latest innovations in linux desktops, and comparing linux to
> vista. He suddenly asked if he could obtain SuSE 10.1. I said "I think
> its on the cover DVD". He said "Can I install it then?".

Nice! Maybe there's hope for the X-generation anyways... XBOX-Generation...

Jerry
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Re: [gentoo-user] <OT> The Real Darkside...

[Zac Slade]

On Saturday 09 September 2006 20:21, Nick Rout wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Sep 2006 15:03:58 -0400
> By the time he went to bed it was running and he'd been on the net using
> firefox and checked that runescape (online java game) worked. By the
> time I got up this morning he was setting up his RSS feeds in kontact
> and configuring various other bits.
Heck yeah!  If everyone knew about Kontact.......  I demo it and KStars every 
chance I get.

> Pretty good I thought. Not sure whether it says something about Miles,
> or about SuSE's ease of installation (probably both). He has used linux
> before, and is pretty computer literate (gaining a "High Distinction"
> in an international exam, batting against kids 2 years older), but
> neither those exams nor school do much to prepare you for installing a
> different OS.
We've come a long way in the last 6 years.  I think even further than the 
proceeding years.  Suse 10.1 is really a landmark.  I say that from my Gentoo 
installation, but they really did something right with that release.
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