[gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

Hi All,

Three days later I am still remerging world.  Now kmail won't launch:

=====================================
$ kmail
kmail: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6: version
`CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4)
=====================================

Packages are still emerging and will be for the next 24 hrs at least;
is there anything I could/should do meanwhile to fix this?
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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mike Williams]

On Sunday 03 September 2006 22:42, Mick wrote:
> Three days later I am still remerging world.  Now kmail won't launch:

emerge -e ?

> =====================================
> $ kmail
> kmail: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6: version
> `CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4)
> =====================================
>
> Packages are still emerging and will be for the next 24 hrs at least;
> is there anything I could/should do meanwhile to fix this?

I would hazard a guess that kdelibs has been remerged, but kdepim not.
Wait until at least kdepim has been merged.

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[gentoo-user] Re: libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Stefan Wimmer]

* Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> [2006-09-03 21:42] :
>  Three days later I am still remerging world.  Now kmail won't launch:
>   =====================================
>    $ kmail
>    kmail: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6: version
>    `CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4)
>   =====================================
>  Packages are still emerging and will be for the next 24 hrs at least;
>  is there anything I could/should do meanwhile to fix this?

Well - in my case (but be aware that I did /not/ have problems with 
kmail or anything kde-related but with eix and fluxbox) there was an 
annoying leftover from eselect-compiler (I guess) which messed up my 
whole environment. Check for 05compiler in /etc/env.d/ and move it to 
another place. Afterwards run "env-update && source /etc/profile" and 
try to emerge again ...

HTH
swimmer

PS: I remember darkly that this issue was already discussed somewhere
    but I'm too tired to remember where it was :-/


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

On 04/09/06, Stefan Wimmer <swimmer@xs4all.nl> wrote:
> * Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> [2006-09-03 21:42] :
> >  Three days later I am still remerging world.  Now kmail won't launch:
> >   =====================================
> >    $ kmail
> >    kmail: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6: version
> >    `CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4)
> >   =====================================
> >  Packages are still emerging and will be for the next 24 hrs at least;
> >  is there anything I could/should do meanwhile to fix this?
>
> Well - in my case (but be aware that I did /not/ have problems with
> kmail or anything kde-related but with eix and fluxbox) there was an
> annoying leftover from eselect-compiler (I guess) which messed up my
> whole environment. Check for 05compiler in /etc/env.d/ and move it to
> another place. Afterwards run "env-update && source /etc/profile" and
> try to emerge again ...

Thanks guys,

Sadly there's no compiler in there (& kdepim has been remerged).
===========================================
$ ls -la /etc/env.d/
total 115
drwxr-xr-x  4 root root  856 Sep  4 05:50 .
drwxr-xr-x 81 root root 5640 Sep  4 06:57 ..
-rw-r--r--  1 root root    0 Dec  4  2005 .keep
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  218 Sep  2 11:55 00basic
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  145 Sep  3 10:44 03opengl
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  160 Sep  2 10:49 05binutils
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  306 Sep  2 14:22 05gcc
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   34 Sep  2 10:33 05portage.envd
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   21 Mar 12 18:33 08nspr
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   20 Jun 23 21:00 08nss
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   18 Sep  2 11:07 10libx11
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   36 Sep  3 09:47 10xkeyboard-config
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   30 Feb 17  2006 15openmotif-2.2
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   28 Sep  3 09:26 30sane
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   40 Sep  4 02:26 44qt4
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  172 Sep  2 17:11 45kdepaths-3.5
-rw-r--r--  1 root root  149 Sep  2 16:56 45qt3
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   33 Sep  3 22:51 50gconf
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   47 Sep  2 15:27 50glib2
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   14 Sep  3 11:09 50gtk2
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   36 Sep  2 09:36 50ncurses
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   16 Sep  2 16:56 50qtdir3
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   35 Sep  4 05:22 51tmake
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   41 Sep  3 22:44 60gstreamer-0.8
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   35 Sep  3 15:32 70klibc
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   23 Sep  4 05:50 70less
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   42 Sep  3 12:04 99gentoolkit-env
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   66 Sep  2 15:28 99kde-env
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   32 Sep  3 09:16 99libstdc++
-rw-r--r--  1 root root   34 Sep  3 15:34 99splash
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  128 Sep  2 10:49 binutils
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root  624 Sep  2 14:21 gcc>
===========================================

Any other ideas?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

On 04/09/06, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/09/06, Stefan Wimmer <swimmer@xs4all.nl> wrote:

> > Well - in my case (but be aware that I did /not/ have problems with
> > kmail or anything kde-related but with eix and fluxbox) there was an
> > annoying leftover from eselect-compiler (I guess) which messed up my
> > whole environment. Check for 05compiler in /etc/env.d/ and move it to
> > another place. Afterwards run "env-update && source /etc/profile" and
> > try to emerge again ...

It is uncanny though that my fluxbox is also borked.  The fonts in the
title bars of the windows and slit are point size 30 or something
stupid and a serif font (instead of sans serif).
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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[mathias]

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Mike Williams wrote:
> On Sunday 03 September 2006 22:42, Mick wrote:
>   
>> Three days later I am still remerging world.  Now kmail won't launch:
>>     
>
> emerge -e ?
>
>   
>> =====================================
>> $ kmail
>> kmail: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6: version
>> `CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4)
>> =====================================
>>
>> Packages are still emerging and will be for the next 24 hrs at least;
>> is there anything I could/should do meanwhile to fix this?
>>     
>
> I would hazard a guess that kdelibs has been remerged, but kdepim not.
> Wait until at least kdepim has been merged.
>
>   
revdep-rebuild should help in this case

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

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On Monday 04 September 2006 10:30, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 9/3/06, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> > $ kmail
> > kmail: /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6: version
> > `CXXABI_1.3.1' not found (required by /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libkhtml.so.4)
>
> Ungh.  The problem is that kmail is linked to the old libstdc++.so.6,
> wihle libkhtml.so.4 is linked to the new one.  So you've mixed C++ ABI
> versions.  Hopefully this will get fixed when your emerge -e world
> completes.
>
> You can try and short-circuit the process with a "revdep-rebuild
> --library libstdc++.so.6", which should rebuild all C++ apps now.  Of
> course, that will probably take a day or two to run all by itself, and
> rebuild some things you already have rebuilt...

Yep, it rebuilt 220 packages, I am totally exhausted and the poor lappy is 
probably just an emerge short of being totalled!  :-))

So, to recapitulate:  I've emerged gcc, remerged the system, remerged world, 
revedep-rebuild --library libstdc++.so.6 and I ended up with an awfully ugly 
Fluxbox and KDE applications:

http://gentoo.michaelkintzios.fastmail.fm/gcc-result.jpg

Also grub was borked and had to be reinstalled.  Anyway, the bigger problem is 
that kde will no longer start - when I type kdestart in aterm I get:

$ kdestart
-bash: kdestart: command not found

What can I do to fix this laptop short of reinstalling afresh.

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 06 September 2006 00:12, Mick wrote:
> So, to recapitulate:  I've emerged gcc, remerged the system, remerged
> world, revedep-rebuild --library libstdc++.so.6 and I ended up with an
> awfully ugly Fluxbox and KDE applications:

Did you run revdep-rebuild --library libstdc++.so.6 after completing emerge -e 
world ??

> Anyway, the bigger problem
> is that kde will no longer start - when I type kdestart in aterm I get:
>
> $ kdestart
> -bash: kdestart: command not found

Did you mean startkde ??

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Richard Fish]

On 9/5/06, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, to recapitulate:  I've emerged gcc, remerged the system, remerged world,
> revedep-rebuild --library libstdc++.so.6 and I ended up with an awfully ugly
> Fluxbox and KDE applications:
>
> http://gentoo.michaelkintzios.fastmail.fm/gcc-result.jpg

It looks ok to me...but I suppose maybe the theme you have chosen is
not being used?  Have you tried running the KDE control center
(kcontrol) to reset your themes?

For fluxbox...I know nothing about it so hopefully others will have
some advice here.

> $ kdestart
> -bash: kdestart: command not found

Hey, me too!

~ > kdestart
bash: kdestart: command not found

Of course by now you've probably read Bo's response and realized you
want "startkde". ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 23:12 +0100, Mick wrote:

> $ kdestart
> -bash: kdestart: command not found

did you try `which kdestart` or `slocate kdestart`?  maybe it's not in
your path anymore, or the package was deleted.  I personally don't have
kde installed so I don't know which package kdestart comes from, but if
someone could provide the output from
equery belongs kdestart
then you can make sure you have that package installed.

Hope this is one step towards a working system :)
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what will sell.
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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Jean-Marc Beaune]

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Hi,

Did you try to find kdestart?


On 9/6/06, Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2006-09-05 at 23:12 +0100, Mick wrote:
>
> > $ kdestart
> > -bash: kdestart: command not found
>
> did you try `which kdestart` or `slocate kdestart`?  maybe it's not in
> your path anymore, or the package was deleted.  I personally don't have
> kde installed so I don't know which package kdestart comes from, but if
> someone could provide the output from
> equery belongs kdestart
> then you can make sure you have that package installed.
>
> Hope this is one step towards a working system :)
> --
> Iain Buchanan <iaindb at netspace dot net dot au>
>
> The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands
> what will sell.
>                -- Confucius
>
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>
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 06 September 2006 07:18, Jean-Marc Beaune wrote:
> Did you try to find kdestart?

Richard and I have already stated that there is no kdestart. There never was. 
What you are looking for is:

# equery belongs startkde
[ Searching for file(s) startkde in *... ]
kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.2 (/usr/kde/3.5/bin/startkde)

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 06 September 2006 06:18, Jean-Marc Beaune wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Did you try to find kdestart?
>
> On 9/6/06, Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> wrote:

> > did you try `which kdestart` or `slocate kdestart`?  maybe it's not in
> > your path anymore, or the package was deleted.  I personally don't have
> > kde installed so I don't know which package kdestart comes from, but if
> > someone could provide the output from
> > equery belongs kdestart
> > then you can make sure you have that package installed.

Thanks guys, after I remerged my brain (I have found that a good night's sleep 
help helps many a computer problems) I decided to run startkde which launched 
kde without a problem.  Doh!

All that is left is the large size window title bar fonts in Fluxbox which I 
suspect is something to do with xorg defaults?  How do I set this up?

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 06 September 2006 06:29, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Wednesday 06 September 2006 07:18, Jean-Marc Beaune wrote:
> > Did you try to find kdestart?
>
> Richard and I have already stated that there is no kdestart. There never
> was. What you are looking for is:
>
> # equery belongs startkde
> [ Searching for file(s) startkde in *... ]
> kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.2 (/usr/kde/3.5/bin/startkde)

Thanks Bo.  I saw your message but not Richard's.  I think Gmail is playing up 
again?

Another thing.  I don't think that revedep-rebuild remerged Qt4.  I'll check 
my emerge log again, but in any case, what revedep-rebuild shows is a long 
list of entries like:
===========================================
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/vid.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/viff.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/wbmp.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/wmf.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/wpg.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/x.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xbm.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xc.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xcf.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xpm.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xwd.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
  broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/ycbcr.la 
(requires /-lstdc++)
===========================================

but it doesn't emerge anything afterwards.  Do I need to do anything about it?
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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 06 September 2006 07:59, Mick wrote:
> Thanks Bo.  I saw your message but not Richard's.  I think Gmail is playing
> up again?

From Richards email:

On Wednesday 06 September 2006 00:48, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 9/5/06, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So, to recapitulate:  I've emerged gcc, remerged the system, remerged
> > world, revedep-rebuild --library libstdc++.so.6 and I ended up with an
> > awfully ugly Fluxbox and KDE applications:
> >
> > http://gentoo.michaelkintzios.fastmail.fm/gcc-result.jpg
>
> It looks ok to me...but I suppose maybe the theme you have chosen is
> not being used?  Have you tried running the KDE control center
> (kcontrol) to reset your themes?
>
> For fluxbox...I know nothing about it so hopefully others will have
> some advice here.

On Wednesday 06 September 2006 07:59, Mick wrote:
> Another thing.  I don't think that revedep-rebuild remerged Qt4.  I'll
> check my emerge log again, but in any case, what revedep-rebuild shows is a
> long list of entries like:
> ===========================================
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/vid.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/viff.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/wbmp.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/wmf.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/wpg.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/x.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xbm.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xc.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xcf.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xpm.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/xwd.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
>   broken /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0/modules-Q16/coders/ycbcr.la
> (requires /-lstdc++)
> ===========================================
>
> but it doesn't emerge anything afterwards.  Do I need to do anything about
> it?

Could be old cruft. Imagemagick-6.2.0 isn't even in the tree any more. Does

# equery belongs /usr/lib/ImageMagick-6.2.0

return anything? If not then I suggest you remove it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 06 September 2006 00:12, Mick wrote:

> Yep, it rebuilt 220 packages, I am totally exhausted and the
> poor lappy is probably just an emerge short of being
> totalled!  :-))
>
> So, to recapitulate:  I've emerged gcc, remerged the system,
> remerged world, revedep-rebuild --library libstdc++.so.6 and
> I ended up with an awfully ugly Fluxbox and KDE applications:
>
> http://gentoo.michaelkintzios.fastmail.fm/gcc-result.jpg
>
> Also grub was borked and had to be reinstalled.  Anyway, the
> bigger problem is that kde will no longer start - when I type
> kdestart in aterm I get:
>
> $ kdestart
> -bash: kdestart: command not found
>
> What can I do to fix this laptop short of reinstalling
> afresh.

hehe, you have my full sympathies. I started my gcc4.1 upgraded 
on Friday and it completed early yesterday evening. I was also 
getting errors about kmail and khtml not starting due to 
libstdc++ having the wrong abi version. revdep-rebuild won't 
fix it, as the problem is due to there being two gcc versions 
on the system:

/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6.0.6
/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.1/libstdc++.so.6.0.8

and the way the relevant env var is set, it finds 3.4.6 first. 
You could tweak the env vars to fix it, but the real fix is to 
just unmerge gcc-3.4.6. The howto tells you to do it, but it's 
just a mention in a bigger paragraph and could be clearer.

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 05 September 2006 23:48, Richard Fish wrote:

> It looks ok to me...but I suppose maybe the theme you have chosen is
> not being used?  Have you tried running the KDE control center
> (kcontrol) to reset your themes?

OK, it seems that when you emerge qt some widgets could get broken.  Kcontrol 
did not list them all.  The revdep-rebuild cycle fixed the list and I can now 
select plastik etc.  It seems that I must have downloaded some additional KDE 
theme(s) in the past because my progress/scroll bars etc used to be yellow 
(OK girls, that's a 'soft-beige with hints of honey-dew').  :-))

> For fluxbox...I know nothing about it so hopefully others will have
> some advice here.

I looked into the themes that seem to have trouble with respect to font size.  
I noticed that they use lucida.  However, lucida does not show up when I look 
at xfontsel (under fmly).  xfontsel seems to go into some funny loop 
saying "Processing fonts".  What's up with this?  Would it be freetype or 
Xorg related?

> > $ kdestart
> > -bash: kdestart: command not found
>
> Hey, me too!

Funny thing this!  After a good night's sleep I do not seem to experience 
<aheam> problems when I try to start KDE.  Thanks for your help.
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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Richard Fish]

On 9/6/06, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> > For fluxbox...I know nothing about it so hopefully others will have
> > some advice here.
>
> I looked into the themes that seem to have trouble with respect to font size.
> I noticed that they use lucida.  However, lucida does not show up when I look
> at xfontsel (under fmly).  xfontsel seems to go into some funny loop
> saying "Processing fonts".  What's up with this?  Would it be freetype or
> Xorg related?

Ok, I *think* if you build fluxbox with USE=truetype, it will use the
freetype library to lookup and render fonts.  This would be the good
thing.

Without this flag, it probably uses the FontPath from the X server to
locate and render them.  So make sure you have truetype in USE for
fluxbox.

In both cases, for lucida fonts you probably need
"media-fonts/lfpfonts-fix" installed.

Donnie is the X-pert (:-)) on this...hoping he'll chime-in here.

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 06 September 2006 09:21, Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday 05 September 2006 23:48, Richard Fish wrote:
> > It looks ok to me...but I suppose maybe the theme you have chosen is
> > not being used?  Have you tried running the KDE control center
> > (kcontrol) to reset your themes?
>
> OK, it seems that when you emerge qt some widgets could get broken. 
> Kcontrol did not list them all.  The revdep-rebuild cycle fixed the list
> and I can now select plastik etc.  It seems that I must have downloaded
> some additional KDE theme(s) in the past because my progress/scroll bars
> etc used to be yellow (OK girls, that's a 'soft-beige with hints of
> honey-dew').  :-))

I compared this with another box of mine on which I did *not* remerge world 
(well with 600MHz PIII and 256MB RAM it would take the best part of a week!)  
That's what it looks like:

http://gentoo.michaelkintzios.fastmail.fm/keramik-yellow.jpg

On the other hand on the remerged box the yellow is blue (and the title bars 
have a different blue colour).  Clearly the colour scheme seems to have 
changed.  If both boxen are at the same version of KDE packages I cannot 
explain the difference in colours.  Could you please confirm what it the 
default colour scheme for the Keramik style?  My thinking is that if this is 
corrupted, what else might have gone wrong?

> > For fluxbox...I know nothing about it so hopefully others will have
> > some advice here.
>
> I looked into the themes that seem to have trouble with respect to font
> size. I noticed that they use lucida.  However, lucida does not show up
> when I look at xfontsel (under fmly).  xfontsel seems to go into some funny
> loop saying "Processing fonts".  What's up with this?  Would it be freetype
> or Xorg related?

OK, I think I solved this problem.  Lucida is now 
media-fonts/font-bh-lucidatypewriter-100dpi and 75dpi.  I changed that in the 
particular Fluxbox style and everything is fine again.  :-)

Question:  Is there a clever script to change all old xorg lucida font entries 
into each Fluxbox style?  Are devs going to do this to make these styles 
compatible with the latest xorg setup and font compilation?
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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Richard Fish]

On 9/6/06, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> Aha!  Am I then supposed to
> unmerge 'media-fonts/font-bh-lucidatypewriter-100dpi' ?

Not sure...but I think it is better to use type1 fonts than bitmap fonts.

> I am not sure what determines (where to set up) fallback fonts for when a
> particular font is not found;  e.g.:
> if   -*-lucida-medium-r-*-*-*-100-*-*-*-*-*-* has now
> become -*-lucidatypewriter-medium-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*, every application

It is determined by fontconfig and the libXft (man Xft) library.

Generally modern applications should not specify a font in the
"*-lucida-medium-..." form, but rather something more natural like
"Lucida-10".  This will go through the Xft library to locate the font.
 FEX:

carcharias # fc-match "Lucida-10"
Vera.ttf: "Bitstream Vera Sans" "Roman"

Obviously not found...hmm more on that later...

carcharias # fc-match "LucidaTerminal-10"
lucidaterminal-10-m-r.pcf.gz: "LucidaTerminal" "Regular"

...better.  Ok this was found on my system, and an "equery belongs
lucidaterminal-10-m-r.pcf.gz" shows it came from lfpfonts.

So it looks like I was wrong about lfpfonts having Lucida.  That will
give you a truetype LucidaTerminal, but I also found the "Lucida" font
if you really want that.  You'll need to merge font-bh-100dpi and
font-bh-75dpi.

Also, fc-list will give you a list of the fonts that fontconfig knows about.

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 06 September 2006 23:02, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 9/6/06, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Aha!  Am I then supposed to
> > unmerge 'media-fonts/font-bh-lucidatypewriter-100dpi' ?
>
> Not sure...but I think it is better to use type1 fonts than bitmap fonts.

How do you tell if it is bitmap or not?  Why is it better?  (I need a lot of 
educating when it comes to fonts ;-)

> Generally modern applications should not specify a font in the
> "*-lucida-medium-..." form, but rather something more natural like
> "Lucida-10".  This will go through the Xft library to locate the font.

It seems that the different Fluxbox styles and especially the older ones are 
still using the XLFD naming convention.  I'll be loathed to change all by 
hand - although I might just do that for the styles that I use often.

> ...better.  Ok this was found on my system, and an "equery belongs
> lucidaterminal-10-m-r.pcf.gz" shows it came from lfpfonts.

Hmm, according to http://sourceforge.net/projects/xfonts/ :

"As of 2006-07-28 09:17, this project is no longer under active development."

> So it looks like I was wrong about lfpfonts having Lucida.  That will
> give you a truetype LucidaTerminal, but I also found the "Lucida" font
> if you really want that.  You'll need to merge font-bh-100dpi and
> font-bh-75dpi.

You've such a wealth of info I hope that you along with some of the more 
learned guys around here never leave Gentoo!  ;-)

> Also, fc-list will give you a list of the fonts that fontconfig knows
> about.

Ditto!  I didn't know that fc-list existed.  It confirms that Lucida does not 
exist in my system (bar the LucidaTypewriter that I have just emerged):

$ fc-list | grep -i lucida
LucidaTypewriter:style=Sans Bold
LucidaTypewriter:style=Sans

I'll emerge font-bh-100dpi and font-bh-75dpi and check to see if the different 
style files work.  Thanks again for your help.
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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 07 September 2006 10:13, Mick wrote:
> > Not sure...but I think it is better to use type1 fonts than
> > bitmap fonts.
>
> How do you tell if it is bitmap or not?  Why is it better?
>  (I need a lot of educating when it comes to fonts ;-)

Generally, the Type1 and TrueType (TTF) fonts are the better 
vector style fonts, everything else is bit-mapped. There are 
exceptions such as other formats that aren't used much anymore, 
but that rule holds pretty much true for 99% of cases.

The reason vector fonts are better is that they scale well. 
Bit-mapped fonts are just a bunch of pixels on a grid that are 
on or off and these make the shape of a character. They work 
well at the resolution and size they were designed for, and 
very poorly at all other settings.

Vector fonts instead describe how to draw the character and 
other useful info like how much space to leave between other 
characters before and after it. Thus they can be drawn to 
almost any size, and still be nicely rounded off on the curves 
to give a pleasing look.

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] libstdc++.so.6 - another gcc upgrade problem?

[Mick]

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On Thursday 07 September 2006 09:47, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> The reason vector fonts are better is that they scale well.
> Bit-mapped fonts are just a bunch of pixels on a grid that are
> on or off and these make the shape of a character. They work
> well at the resolution and size they were designed for, and
> very poorly at all other settings.
>
> Vector fonts instead describe how to draw the character and
> other useful info like how much space to leave between other
> characters before and after it. Thus they can be drawn to
> almost any size, and still be nicely rounded off on the curves
> to give a pleasing look.

Thanks Alan.  That's why I love this mailing list!  :-)
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