[gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Jerônimo Backes]

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What is the release date for 2006.1?
I would also like to know what are the new features. Can someone point me a 
link? (I googled for that information and found nothing)

Thanks a lot.

	

	
		
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Richard Fish]

On 8/2/06, Jerônimo Backes <germanobax@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
> I think everybody is clueless, like me...
>
> > What is the release date for 2006.1?

When it's ready, of course!

> > I would also like to know what are the new features. Can someone point me a
> > link? (I googled for that information and found nothing)

This is Gentoo.  We don't wait for "releases" before getting new
"features".  This release appears to be mainly an update to the
installer, the addition of more device drivers to the install CD, and
a (relatively) fresh set of binary packages so users wanting to stay
with stable will not have to update and recompile a bunch of stuff
right off the bat.  That is just based on what the devs said they were
going to do, and what a release typically means for Gentoo.

You can check the official project page for current status and goals
of the release:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2006.1/2006.1.xml

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Justin R Findlay]

On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:38:49PM -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> You can check the official project page for current status and goals
> of the release:
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2006.1/2006.1.xml

So why should I bother manually changing the /etc/make.profile symlink?
Does this link get moved when the "release" is ready?


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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Richard Fish]

On 8/2/06, Justin R Findlay <justin@jfindlay.us> wrote:
> So why should I bother manually changing the /etc/make.profile symlink?

Well the main reason is because profiles will disappear from portage
after a certain amount of time, and you can't really run without a
profile!!

The main effects changing the profile has for an existing install are:

1. Updates to default USE flags and masks.
2. Updates to make.defaults
3. Updates to virtual package defaults.
4. Updates to the system package set, or minimum versions of the
system packages.

> Does this link get moved when the "release" is ready?

Changing the profile can sometimes cause a lot of updates, changes to
use flags, features, etc, so no, it is not done automatically.
Generally after changing the make.profile link, you will want to do an
"emerge -DNuvp world" to see what changed.

HTH,
-Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Richard Fish]

On 8/2/06, Richard Fish <bigfish@asmallpond.org> wrote:
> > Does this link get moved when the "release" is ready?
>
> Changing the profile can sometimes cause a lot of updates, changes to
> use flags, features, etc, so no, it is not done automatically.
> Generally after changing the make.profile link, you will want to do an
> "emerge -DNuvp world" to see what changed.

Just as an example, as it currently sets the 2006.1 profile looks to
have use.defaults of:

USE="cups gdbm gpm libg++ nptl nptlonly ppds udev unicode"

while the 2006.0 profile has:

USE="alsa apache2 apm arts avi cups eds emboss encode esd foomaticdb
gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad
mikmod motif mp3 mpeg nptl ogg opengl oss pdflib png qt qt3 qt4
quicktime sdl spell truetype udev vorbis X xml xmms xv"

Thus, you could end up with a lot of missing use flags if you did just
a simple change.  What you will probabliy really want with 2006.1 is
one of the sub-profiles, like 2006.1/desktop, which has similar use
flags to 2006.0.

-Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Justin R Findlay]

On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:40:17PM -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> Well the main reason is because profiles will disappear from portage
> after a certain amount of time, and you can't really run without a
> profile!!

Right, but I still don't understand why it doesn't auto update when it's
"ready", because for people like me who rarely visit the gentoo main
page I'm not going to know about a new profile unless I manually look
around in /usr/portage/profiles.  Mainly I don't like it because it
comes too close to violating my sense of laziness.


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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Jesús Guerrero]

El Jueves, 3 de Agosto de 2006 05:55, Justin R Findlay escribió:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:40:17PM -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> > Well the main reason is because profiles will disappear from portage
> > after a certain amount of time, and you can't really run without a
> > profile!!
>
> Right, but I still don't understand why it doesn't auto update when it's
> "ready", because for people like me who rarely visit the gentoo main
> page I'm not going to know about a new profile unless I manually look
> around in /usr/portage/profiles.  Mainly I don't like it because it
> comes too close to violating my sense of laziness.
>
>
> Justin

It is a critical task, and as such, it needs to be done by an administrator, 
under supervision, and, thus, by hand. If I wanted any silly package 
admistration system messing with things like the default flags and compiler, 
I would better use any other distro.

The problem is that a source based distro, relies deeply in the compiler and 
the libs, and those are tied to the profile in gentoo. So, no, an autoupdate 
for this will not be wellcome at all in my side.

Jesús.

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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Alexander Skwar]

Justin R Findlay schrieb:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:40:17PM -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
>> Well the main reason is because profiles will disappear from portage
>> after a certain amount of time, and you can't really run without a
>> profile!!
> 
> Right, but I still don't understand why it doesn't auto update when it's
> "ready",

Why should it? If I set the profile to $whatever, I've got my reasons
to do so.

> because for people like me who rarely visit the gentoo main
> page I'm not going to know about a new profile unless I manually look
> around in /usr/portage/profiles.

And because of lazy people, other people have to suffer?

I don't think that this is the right way to go.

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Donnie Berkholz]

Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Justin R Findlay schrieb:
>> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:40:17PM -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
>>> Well the main reason is because profiles will disappear from portage
>>> after a certain amount of time, and you can't really run without a
>>> profile!!
>>
>> Right, but I still don't understand why it doesn't auto update when it's
>> "ready",
> 
> Why should it? If I set the profile to $whatever, I've got my reasons
> to do so.
> 
>> because for people like me who rarely visit the gentoo main
>> page I'm not going to know about a new profile unless I manually look
>> around in /usr/portage/profiles.
> 
> And because of lazy people, other people have to suffer?

You get big fat warnings once you're using a deprecated profile.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Justin R Findlay]

On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:05:52AM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> And because of lazy people, other people have to suffer?

Yes.  Otherwise I'd think you were discriminataing against me and I'd
have to leave gentoo for another distro with loud exclamations of
disgust.

> I don't think that this is the right way to go.

Sometimes you have to go left for variety and adventure. (:


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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Iain Buchanan]

On Wed, 2006-08-02 at 21:55 -0600, Justin R Findlay wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 05:40:17PM -0700, Richard Fish wrote:
> > Well the main reason is because profiles will disappear from portage
> > after a certain amount of time, and you can't really run without a
> > profile!!
> 
> Right, but I still don't understand why it doesn't auto update when it's
> "ready", because for people like me who rarely visit the gentoo main
> page I'm not going to know about a new profile unless I manually look
> around in /usr/portage/profiles.

yes you will know.  Eventually you will get a message every time you do
an emerge that says something like "your profile is deprecated, please
see www.blah.blah for information on updating to the latest profile"...

so you will know when it matters :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?

[Jesús Guerrero]

El Jueves, 3 de Agosto de 2006 08:30, Justin R Findlay escribió:
> On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 08:05:52AM +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> > And because of lazy people, other people have to suffer?
>
> Yes.  Otherwise I'd think you were discriminataing against me and I'd
> have to leave gentoo for another distro with loud exclamations of
> disgust.
>
> > I don't think that this is the right way to go.
>
> Sometimes you have to go left for variety and adventure. (:
>
>
> Justin

Gentoo is about knowing what is going underneath a silly desktop interface, 
and this is -as I already stated- a VERY IMPORTANT issue related to the 
system core. Gentoo is built around a compiler and all the things that are 
tied to the profile. You can even raise your version of debian or mandrake 
that easy, and they are binary distros.

You obviously, dont have any will to find a solution, but just create 
controversy. And, I did not want to say it this way, but, you really that 
someone cares about you having 

> to leave gentoo for another distro with loud exclamations of
> disgust.
?

Scream is what children do when they are not gifted with an automatic solution 
to their problems. Men and women, better try to learn something and find a 
way in all areas of life, it is not that hard to look when a profile is 
updated and make a symlink. Plus portage, as some people already told you, 
will tell you when you really need to update that profile.

We could tell the reverse story about you discriminating all of us and gifting 
the lazy ones with priviledges, but I will not do it, cause it is a childish 
arguement that I will not go into.

Happy screaming.

Jesús.

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Critical task upgrades (was [gentoo-user] What is the release date for 2006.1?)

[David Corbin]

> It is a critical task, and as such, it needs to be done by an
> administrator, under supervision, and, thus, by hand. If I wanted any silly
> package admistration system messing with things like the default flags and
> compiler, I would better use any other distro.
>
> The problem is that a source based distro, relies deeply in the compiler
> and the libs, and those are tied to the profile in gentoo. So, no, an
> autoupdate for this will not be wellcome at all in my side.

Is there a list of what packages have a "critical task" component?  For 
example, I know that that the gcc package requires I do something manually to 
begin using the newer version.

David
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