From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FyDxd-0004R7-JS for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:27:02 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k65KP9MK009508; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:25:09 GMT Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk (heisenberg.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.141]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k65KFc3F013040 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:15:39 GMT Received: from [82.69.83.178] (helo=desiato.digimed.co.uk) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FyDmc-0007JP-3P for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:15:38 +0000 Received: from krikkit.digimed.co.uk (krikkit.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by desiato.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 358A8142200E for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:15:37 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:15:32 +0100 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] world favorites: pros and cons Message-ID: <20060705211532.7193fe90@krikkit.digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <44ABEE96.4000104@ilievnet.com> References: <44AB8AEF.70104@ilievnet.com> <44AB91EC.9070701@mid.message-center.info> <20060705115509.2905ae6d@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <44AB9E70.6010205@ilievnet.com> <20060705131400.3ae53735@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <44ABB409.4080003@ilievnet.com> <44ABCCBC.8030409@ilievnet.com> <20060705160856.3a513276@hactar.digimed.co.uk> <44ABEE96.4000104@ilievnet.com> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.4.0-rc2 (GTK+ 2.8.19; powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_rQlM7uucef+/qmON6A1hhuf"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.69.83.178] X-Archives-Salt: 1324fe57-4c6d-44c5-b267-eff3f32ef79a X-Archives-Hash: 4e3f245f4ba77a8a7307295f385e53b3 --Sig_rQlM7uucef+/qmON6A1hhuf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:53:42 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote: > Neil Bothwick wrote: > > What happens if you reboot after unmerging "c", and its absence causes > > the system to fail to boot? What if you remove something that stops > > emerge working? > >=20 >=20 > Highly unlikely. For two reasons: >=20 > 1) How come that I was able to boot w/o the package in question in first > place? :) You did have the package. ??/i mentioned rebooting after removing it, so it was there before. > 2) The kind of package you're talking about is listed in the system > profile. If you try to remove such a package portage yells out a big fat > warning. Not necessarily, it is possible to break things with non-system packages. > Last but not least. When it comes to redundant packages in the system. > What happens when you do (the right way?): >=20 > 1) emerge a > 2) "a" pulls-in "b" and "c" as dependencies > 3) emerge -C a > 4) "a" goes out but "b" and "c" stay there just to take place > 5) emerge --depclean >=20 > Well...The first thing one can see reads: > " *** WARNING *** --depclean is known to be broken." >=20 > So you prefer to clean the system up using procedure that is "known to > be broken" or you just leave useless packages to take space on your > HDDs? That text is fairly old and hardly applies any more, at least in my experience. As Richard mentioned, it can fall over when USE flags have changed, but the rest of the earning, that you didn't quote, tells you to run emerge --update --newuse --deep before using it. If you do so, your USE flags will be consistent and it won't break things. I always use it with --ask anyway. > It is my opinion that Gentoo's documentation and portage's behavior > suggest leaving junk packages on your system. > Which indeed is "the right way"? Only if you break the file it uses to determine which packages are junk. --=20 Neil Bothwick Good fortune will find you provided you left clear instructions. --Sig_rQlM7uucef+/qmON6A1hhuf Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFErB3oum4al0N1GQMRAuQyAJ9n/08cxs11ZgCk4O+AAAg5QpG6OwCgxQ/M OqOPnOyvLNI2mcGa7h4idws= =STQr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_rQlM7uucef+/qmON6A1hhuf-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list