[gentoo-user] remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[gentoo-user] remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[reader]

Sorry to break out of the thread where this is being discussed but I
got part way thru some instructions about getting nvidia-glx setup and
saw something that looks like it might throw a monkey wrench into
things.

I've emerged nvidia-kernel without problems.
The next step is where I see this:

root # emerge -vp nvidia-glx

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
  [blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 
  (is blocking media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762)
  [ebuild  N    ] media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762
  USE="-dlloader" 0 kB 

Is this normal... is nvidia-glx a replacement to xorg-server?

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Re: [gentoo-user] remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[Calvin Walton]

On 6/16/06, reader@newsguy.com <reader@newsguy.com> wrote:
>   [blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99
>   (is blocking media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762)
>   [ebuild  N    ] media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762
>   USE="-dlloader" 0 kB
>
> Is this normal... is nvidia-glx a replacement to xorg-server?

Actually, this is because the nvidia driver officially doesn't support
xorg-server 1.1, only 1.0 (1.1 is xorg 7.1, 1.0 is xorg 7.0)
Many people (myself included) find that it "mostly" works - some minor
problems with bitmaps fonts in my experience.

Unfortunately, if you've already installed xorg 7.1, it's really hard
to downgrade.
Perhaps you can find some help from someone else on doing that, I've
make a local overlay ebuild without the block because it was working
for me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[Pavel Kouřil]

reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Sorry to break out of the thread where this is being discussed but I
> got part way thru some instructions about getting nvidia-glx setup and
> saw something that looks like it might throw a monkey wrench into
> things.
>
> I've emerged nvidia-kernel without problems.
> The next step is where I see this:
>
> root # emerge -vp nvidia-glx
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
>   [blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 
>   (is blocking media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762)
>   [ebuild  N    ] media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762
>   USE="-dlloader" 0 kB 
>
> Is this normal... is nvidia-glx a replacement to xorg-server?
>
>   
There is a bug with xorg 7.1 && nvidia drivers 
[http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130292] If you have xorg 7.1
already, you must downgrade .. Use this package.mask
http://rafb.net/paste/results/HPsvCD94.html
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[gentoo-user] Re: remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[reader]

Pavel Kouřil <djpaulway@gmail.com> writes:

>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>
>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>   [blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 
>>   (is blocking media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762)
>>   [ebuild  N    ] media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762
>>   USE="-dlloader" 0 kB 
>>
>> Is this normal... is nvidia-glx a replacement to xorg-server?
>>
>>   
> There is a bug with xorg 7.1 && nvidia drivers 
> [http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130292] If you have xorg 7.1
> already, you must downgrade .. Use this package.mask
> http://rafb.net/paste/results/HPsvCD94.html

That is a nifty site with paste code setup.  The setup allows code to
be downloaded in several formats.. handy.

I guess the expectation is that all this will go away in near future?

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[gentoo-user] Re: remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[reader]

"Calvin Walton" <calvin.walton@gmail.com> writes:

> Unfortunately, if you've already installed xorg 7.1, it's really hard
> to downgrade.
> Perhaps you can find some help from someone else on doing that, I've
> make a local overlay ebuild without the block because it was working
> for me.

Pavel appears to be suggesting that I un-emerge the current
xorg-server.  Then install the nvidia stuff and then using his
package.mask, reinstall xorg-server.

Do you think that will lead to troubles?  I'm going to close down X
and try it...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[Pavel Kouřil]

reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Pavel Kouřil <djpaulway@gmail.com> writes:
>
>   
>>> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>>>
>>> Calculating dependencies... done!
>>>   [blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 
>>>   (is blocking media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762)
>>>   [ebuild  N    ] media-video/nvidia-glx-1.0.8762
>>>   USE="-dlloader" 0 kB 
>>>
>>> Is this normal... is nvidia-glx a replacement to xorg-server?
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> There is a bug with xorg 7.1 && nvidia drivers 
>> [http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=130292] If you have xorg 7.1
>> already, you must downgrade .. Use this package.mask
>> http://rafb.net/paste/results/HPsvCD94.html
>>     
>
> That is a nifty site with paste code setup.  The setup allows code to
> be downloaded in several formats.. handy.
>
> I guess the expectation is that all this will go away in near future?
On rafb.net it will disapper in few days .. There is a one option, you
can use the `nv' driver instead the `nvidia' driver

(I know, my english sux)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:43:11 -0500, reader@newsguy.com wrote:

> Pavel appears to be suggesting that I un-emerge the current
> xorg-server.  Then install the nvidia stuff and then using his
> package.mask, reinstall xorg-server.

All you need to do is add the relevant lines to package.mask and do
"emerge --update world". This will downgrade xorg to the latest unmasked
version. Then you can stop X, emerge the nvidia drivers and restart X.


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[gentoo-user] Re: remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[reader]

Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> writes:

> On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:43:11 -0500, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
>
>> Pavel appears to be suggesting that I un-emerge the current
>> xorg-server.  Then install the nvidia stuff and then using his
>> package.mask, reinstall xorg-server.
>
> All you need to do is add the relevant lines to package.mask and do
> "emerge --update world". This will downgrade xorg to the latest unmasked
> version. Then you can stop X, emerge the nvidia drivers and restart X.

Apparently that is not `All'.

After adding the mask stuff that Hermman posted a link to.  Things were
emerged successfully.  I now have the downgraded version of
xorg-server.

I've emerged nvidia-kenel and nvidia-glx.
I ran eselect opengl set nvidia.

No error output anywhere so far.

I did xorgconfig and tried to start X off of that.  But it fails with
errors that indicate something more wrong than just which driver to
load.  But before showing them I also tried to modprobe nvidia just to
make sure it was present... I get errors there too:

root # modprobe nvidia
FATAL: Error inserting nvidia
(/lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r9/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format

Before going into the whole xorg log file, I'll just post the errors
from running startx...  They appear to indicate that having had the
newer xorg-server I still have some stuff left from it or something
similar:

(EE) module ABI minor version (6) is newer than the server's version
(5)
(EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module requirement mismatch, 0)
(EE) module ABI minor version (6) is newer than the server's version
(5)
(EE) Failed to load module "kbd" (module requirement mismatch, 0)
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in
your X
(EE) NVIDIA(0):     log file that the GLX module has been loaded in
your X
(EE) NVIDIA(0):     server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX
module.  If
(EE) NVIDIA(0):     you continue to encounter problems, Please try
(EE) NVIDIA(0):     reinstalling the NVIDIA driver.
FATAL: Error inserting nvidia
(/lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r9/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format
(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!
(EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.

Fatal server error:
no screens found

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[Benno Schulenberg]

reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> root # modprobe nvidia
> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia
> (/lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r9/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module
> format

You've maybe used a different compiler version for the kernel than 
for the nvidia stuff?  If not that, then check the dates, to see 
whether that module is indeed the one you recently installed.

> (EE) module ABI minor version (6) is newer than the server's
> version (5)
> (EE) Failed to load module "mouse" (module requirement mismatch,

Apparently also the mouse and keyboard drivers need to be downgraded 
to match the xserver.

Benno
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[gentoo-user] Re: remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[reader]

Benno Schulenberg <benno.schulenberg@gmail.com> writes:

> reader@newsguy.com wrote:
>> root # modprobe nvidia
>> FATAL: Error inserting nvidia
>> (/lib/modules/2.6.16-gentoo-r9/video/nvidia.ko): Invalid module
>> format
>
> You've maybe used a different compiler version for the kernel than 
> for the nvidia stuff?  If not that, then check the dates, to see 
> whether that module is indeed the one you recently installed.

Ahh there may be the trouble.  The kernel was compiled with 3.4 and
nvidia stuff with 4.1.1.

> Apparently also the mouse and keyboard drivers need to be downgraded 
> to match the xserve

What package contains those drivers?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[Benno Schulenberg]

reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Benno Schulenberg <benno.schulenberg@gmail.com> writes:
> > Apparently also the mouse and keyboard drivers need to be
> > downgraded to match the xserve
>
> What package contains those drivers?

No idea, I'm still on monolithic.  Look in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log 
file, search for kbd, see what module it tries to load, then do an 
equery belongs on that file.  For example:

$ equery belongs /usr/lib/modules/input/kbd_drv.so
[ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/modules/input/kbd_drv.so in *... ]
x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r7 (/usr/lib/modules/input/kbd_drv.so)

Then downgrade the indicated package.

Benno
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[gentoo-user] Re: remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx <=Normal?

[reader]

Benno Schulenberg <benno.schulenberg@gmail.com> writes:

> No idea, I'm still on monolithic.  Look in the /var/log/Xorg.0.log 
> file, search for kbd, see what module it tries to load, then do an 
> equery belongs on that file.  For example:
>
> $ equery belongs /usr/lib/modules/input/kbd_drv.so
> [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/modules/input/kbd_drv.so in *... ]
> x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r7 (/usr/lib/modules/input/kbd_drv.so)

Nice tip thanks, but I packed it in diddling arond with nvidia.

Recompiled my kernel so no more unmatched stuff, then discovered I
could just use `nv' in xorg.conf and my redraw trouble disapears.

I've --unmerged nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx.

Now that I think about it... Hermman mentioned doing that way back.

What I have now appears to redraw like I expect.  So unless there is
some remarkable difference between using `nv' and `nvidia' to make it
worth the the trouble... I'm standing pat.

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[gentoo-user] xorg & nvidia (again) ;-(

[Daniel Iliev]

Good afternoon, everyone!
I'm sorry to open such a thread again, but I found 2 topics regarding this issue
here. It appears that one of them ("remove xorg-server to emerge nvidia-glx
<=Normal?") had a solution but it was posted on a site
(http://rafb.net/paste/results/HPsvCD94.html) which deletes the messages a few days
after they are published.

So let me get to the point.

System:
Athlon-XP 1700+ CPU, Epox mobo with NForce chipset and Nvidia GeForce4 MX440
Graphics card.
Arch = "x86"
 X Window System Version 6.8.2
 Release Date: 9 February 2005
 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.8.2
 Build Operating System: Linux 2.6.16-ck12 i686 [ELF]

Purpose:
I want to upgrade my X so I would be able to run Xgl & Compiz.

Tried so far:
I believe 7.0.* is the right version for my case. I've tried to put the mask shown
on the official Gentoo site about "migrating to mudular X". Unfortunately for me
that mask pulls version 7.1. Then I put "<=7.1" in package.mask which led to lots of
unresolved deps. After playing with masks & versions the whole weekend I gave up ;-(

Please, help me start running Xgl & Compiz on system with GeForce video.



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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg & nvidia (again) ;-(

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:18:28 +0300 (EEST), Daniel Iliev wrote:

> I believe 7.0.* is the right version for my case. I've tried to put the
> mask shown on the official Gentoo site about "migrating to mudular X".
> Unfortunately for me that mask pulls version 7.1. Then I put "<=7.1" in
> package.mask which led to lots of unresolved deps. After playing with
> masks & versions the whole weekend I gave up ;-(

You don't need anything in package.mask to run Xorg 7, you just need to
keyword the various packages as ~x86 in /etc/portage/package.keywords.
Then you need to add some of the 7.1 packages to 
/etc/portage/package.mask to prevent the conflict with the nvidia stuff.
My package.mask file contains

 >~x11-base/xorg-server-1.1.0
 >=x11-base/xorg-x11-7.1
 >=x11-drivers/xf86-video-vga-4.1.0
 >=x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.1.0
 >=x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.1.0
 >=x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse-1.1.1
 >=x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv-1.1.2


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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg & nvidia (again) ;-(

[Daniel Iliev]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 2:39 pm, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>
> You don't need anything in package.mask to run Xorg 7, you just need to
> keyword the various packages as ~x86 in /etc/portage/package.keywords.
> Then you need to add some of the 7.1 packages to
> /etc/portage/package.mask to prevent the conflict with the nvidia stuff.
> My package.mask file contains
>
>  >~x11-base/xorg-server-1.1.0
>  >=x11-base/xorg-x11-7.1
>  >=x11-drivers/xf86-video-vga-4.1.0
>  >=x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.1.0
>  >=x11-drivers/xf86-input-keyboard-1.1.0
>  >=x11-drivers/xf86-input-mouse-1.1.1
>  >=x11-drivers/xf86-video-nv-1.1.2
>

So I have to put the above pkgs in /etc/portage/package.mask
and do:
wget -O - http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-packages.txt >>
/etc/portage/package.keywords

After these steps I would be able to install Xorg & Xgl & Compiz with
"emerge -C xorg-x11 /virtual/x11 && emerge -DuNav world"
and following the instructions in the "Gentoo Xgl Howto" (
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL )

Is that correct? Because I really hate the idea of loosing another couple of days
compiling X servers and downgrading to stable after all. ;-(


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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg & nvidia (again) ;-(

[David Klempner]

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* Daniel Iliev <danny@ilievnet.com> [2006-06-27 10:02]:
> So I have to put the above pkgs in /etc/portage/package.mask
> and do:
> wget -O - http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/modular-x-packages.txt >>
> /etc/portage/package.keywords
> 
> After these steps I would be able to install Xorg & Xgl & Compiz with
> "emerge -C xorg-x11 /virtual/x11 && emerge -DuNav world"
> and following the instructions in the "Gentoo Xgl Howto" (
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_XGL )
> 
> Is that correct? Because I really hate the idea of loosing another couple of days
> compiling X servers and downgrading to stable after all. ;-(

Not only *can* you have xorg and xgl installed side by side, you *want*
to have xorg available. IME, Xgl+Compiz is nowhere near stable enough
for normal use. I played around with Xgl, following the Xgl howto, about
a week ago, went "ooh! shiny!" then backed out when I couldn't get
compiz to go without crashing for more than about ten minutes with
normal use.

Admittedly, this is based on one snapshot, and maybe some other people's
experiences are better, but it doesn't seem ready yet.

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Re: [gentoo-user] xorg & nvidia (again) ;-(

[Daniel Iliev]

On Wed, Юни 28, 2006 12:16 am, David Klempner wrote:

> Not only *can* you have xorg and xgl installed side by side, you *want*
> to have xorg available.

Of course. That's the reason I want to do this upgrade. The problem is I (still)
can't find the right masks. Actually once I got it running but there were tons of
pkgs conflicting and blocking each other when I tried "emerge -Duav world". I want
to have compiz+xgl running and no conflicts at the same time.


> IME, Xgl+Compiz is nowhere near stable enough
> for normal use. I played around with Xgl, following the Xgl howto, about
> a week ago, went "ooh! shiny!" then backed out when I couldn't get
> compiz to go without crashing for more than about ten minutes with
> normal use.


I'm aware of that. But I tested a "kororaa" live-cd (http://kororaa.org/) and I WANT
this graphical environment! ;-)) Kororaa works pretty stable and it is based on
gentoo which means there is a way to put things together but I have to find it
(hopefully not the hard way).


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