[gentoo-user] kaudiocreator still giving me fits

[gentoo-user] kaudiocreator still giving me fits

[Colleen Beamer]

Hi,

I don't know if anyone might have some more insight into this, but I'm
going to try anyway.

At the first of June, I posted saying that kaudiocreator kept freezing
during the ripping process.  When it froze, ps -ax revealed that the
process of kaudiocreator and kscd both were in "uninterruptible sleep"
(i.e. they had a D beside them).  When this happens, my system locks up
and I can't even open the CD tray.  I have to push the reset button to
restart my system.

There is no consistency in what is going on.  I have ripped 1 CD in
entirety, another kept freezing, but when I started kaudiocreator again,
I was able to rip the tracks a couple at a time.  Sometimes it will rip
a track, start to encode (ogg vorbis) and then freeze.  The only
commonality that the CD's have is the artist.  They are all new (meaning
not used) and range from a release date of 1994 to 2006.  The 2006
release ripped fine in kaudiocreator under kde 3.4.3, but won't rip
under kde 3.5.2.  And it's not likely that it's a copy protection issue
since the 2006 release ripped fine under kde 3.4.3.

I try to keep my system up to date and use relatively few testing
releases.  I deliberately waited for kde 3.5 to become stable by Gentoo
standards before upgrading.  Since the initial upgrade of KDE 3.5 (meta)
(installed to a new slot), I've removed both KDE 3.4.3 and KDE 3.5.2 and
reinstalled.  I've wiped my .kde/share/config directory and started
fresh.  Nothing seems to help.

As previously stated, kaudiocreator worked fine under kde 3.4.3.  Also,
I've been able to burn a data CD in kde 3.5.2, so I know that it's not
the CD drive.  /var/log/messages keeps telling me that the drive isn't
ready, but I can hear it spinning up.

I'd like to get this thing working.  It's not that I'm so enamoured with
kaudiocreator.  When I was a Fedora Core user, I used sound-juicer. 
However, I *am* enamoured with Gentoo because I don't have to install
all the bloat of things that I don't want.  sound-juicer requires the
Gnome Desktop and I refuse to have that on my system.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Regards,

Colleen

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[gentoo-user] Re: kaudiocreator still giving me fits - added info

[Colleen Beamer]

Hi all,

I have to "eat a bit of crow" on this one.  The relevant portion of this
issue from my previous post as outlined below may not be entirely the
fault of kaudiocreator although, in self defense, this is the only
application that was reacting strangely after the upgrade to kde 3.5 and
as previously stated, under kde 3.4.3, this application worked flawlessly.

Last night, I tried installing grip.  Despite my aversion to having a
lot of gnome stuff on my PC, I set out to prove that the problem was
entirely with kaudiocreator.  This is where I have to "eat crow" because
grip froze too.  So, I'm at a loss.  I'm posting the section of
/var/log/messages where the process freezes.

I have to reiterate that the problem is not with the CD drive.  The CD's
I am trying to rip *do not* have copy protection.  I have intermittently
ripped a CD, or a portion of a CD using kaudiocreator under kde 3.5.  I
have successfully burned a data CD with the drive.  However,
kaudiocreator is not working as expected. The only thing that I can
think of is that I don't have some setting correct and I'm darned if I
can figure out what it is.

Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: DMA disabled
Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: drive not ready for command
Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete
Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost hdc: irq timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete
Jun 23 22:06:20 localhost hdc: irq timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
Jun 23 22:06:20 localhost ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Jun 23 22:06:20 localhost hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
Jun 23 22:06:20 localhost ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Jun 23 22:06:20 localhost hdc: drive not ready for command
Jun 23 22:06:20 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete
Jun 23 22:06:25 localhost hdc: irq timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
Jun 23 22:06:25 localhost ide: failed opcode was: unknown
Jun 23 22:06:25 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete

Respectfully,

Colleen

Colleen Beamer wrote:
> At the first of June, I posted saying that kaudiocreator kept freezing
> during the ripping process.  When it froze, ps -ax revealed that the
> process of kaudiocreator and kscd both were in "uninterruptible sleep"
> (i.e. they had a D beside them).  When this happens, my system locks up
> and I can't even open the CD tray.  I have to push the reset button to
> restart my system.
>
> There is no consistency in what is going on.  I have ripped 1 CD in
> entirety, another kept freezing, but when I started kaudiocreator again,
> I was able to rip the tracks a couple at a time.  Sometimes it will rip
> a track, start to encode (ogg vorbis) and then freeze.  The only
> commonality that the CD's have is the artist.  They are all new (meaning
> not used) and range from a release date of 1994 to 2006.  The 2006
> release ripped fine in kaudiocreator under kde 3.4.3, but won't rip
> under kde 3.5.2.  And it's not likely that it's a copy protection issue
> since the 2006 release ripped fine under kde 3.4.3.
>   

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kaudiocreator still giving me fits - added info

[Benno Schulenberg]

Colleen Beamer wrote:
> Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: drive not ready for command
> Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete
> Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost hdc: irq timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
> Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete

Your burner has broken down, is breaking down, or is flaky.  I've 
seen this: a month later it was dead.  Before getting a new one, you 
might try checking the connectors are seated properly.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kaudiocreator still giving me fits - added info

[Justin R Findlay]

On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 10:18:02PM +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
> Colleen Beamer wrote:
> > Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: drive not ready for command
> > Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete
> > Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost hdc: irq timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
> > Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> > Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete
> 
> Your burner has broken down, is breaking down, or is flaky.  I've 
> seen this: a month later it was dead.  Before getting a new one, you 
> might try checking the connectors are seated properly.

Optical write drives are pretty cheap anyway, unless it's an HD-DVD
drive. (:


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kaudiocreator still giving me fits - added info

[Colleen Beamer]

Justin R Findlay wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 10:18:02PM +0200, Benno Schulenberg wrote:
>   
>> Colleen Beamer wrote:
>>     
>>> Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: drive not ready for command
>>> Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete
>>> Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost hdc: irq timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
>>> Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost ide: failed opcode was: unknown
>>> Jun 23 22:05:15 localhost hdc: ATAPI reset complete
>>>       
>> Your burner has broken down, is breaking down, or is flaky.  I've 
>> seen this: a month later it was dead.  Before getting a new one, you 
>> might try checking the connectors are seated properly.
>>     
I don't mean to be "testy" here, but I'm still not convinced it is the
CD drive.  And I now know it is not the CD.  My reasoning:

1) The drive was working flawlessly in kaudiocreator prior to the
upgrade to KDE 3.5
2) I was successfully able to burn a data CD in KDE 3.5 with k3b
3) I was successfully able to rip the CD with kaudiocreator on my laptop
(only problem here is that my music collection is on my desktop (this
gives credence to the fact that it is not the CD).  My laptop is running
KDE 3.4.3, but with an older kernel
4) On my desktop, I was able to rip the CD using Windows Media player
under Windows.

One other thing that is different from running kaudiocreator under kde
3.4.3 and running it under kde 3.5.2 is a kernel upgrade to
linux-2.6.16-gentoo-r9.

One additional fact.  I nuked the kde 3.5 installation completely from
my system and went back to kde 3.4.  Then, kaudiocreator would not rip
the CD.  However, I was able to copy the original CD and then burn the
tracks using k3b and then, kaudiocreator would rip the CD.  And the
tracks play just fine in amaroK.

So, I reiterate, I don't think it is the CD drive.  It must be either a
setting that I don't have correct or it must have something to do with
some quirk in kde and/or kaudiocreator.

Regards,

Colleen



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kaudiocreator still giving me fits - added info

[Benno Schulenberg]

Colleen Beamer wrote:
> 2) I was successfully able to burn a data CD in KDE 3.5 with k3b

Writing normally occurs at a lower speed than reading.  When mine 
was dying, reading a CD went fine when running at low speed, but 
the data rate dropped as soon as it started to gear up.

> 3) I was successfully able to rip the CD with kaudiocreator on my
> laptop (only problem here is that my music collection is on my
> desktop (this gives credence to the fact that it is not the CD).

You're talking about a different drive now.  That makes it all the 
more likely that the first drive is... of less quality.

> One additional fact.  I nuked the kde 3.5 installation completely
> from my system and went back to kde 3.4.  Then, kaudiocreator
> would not rip the CD.

You see, it is not the version of Kaudiocreator that matters.

> However, I was able to copy the original 
> CD and then burn the tracks using k3b and then, kaudiocreator
> would rip the CD.

That shows that the original CD is somehow marginal, by production 
fault or on purpose.  The combination of a somewhat flaky CD with a 
somewhat flaky drive is what will lead to errors.  If you now 
upgrade KDE again, the new Kaudiocreator will also rip the new CD.

That another OS with other reading software can handle the disk 
fine, is not entirely relevant.  Have you listened to the tracks it 
produces?

> So, I reiterate, I don't think it is the CD drive.  It must be
> either a setting that I don't have correct or it must have
> something to do with some quirk in kde and/or kaudiocreator.

Unlikely, as Kaudiocreator is just a front end.  It probably uses 
cdparanoia or cdda2wav to read the CD.  (I don't own any audio CD 
with which to try this.)  Try using cdparanoia directly and see 
whether it shows smilies all the way, or reports jitter and read 
errors and what not.  If so, try using cdda2wav with the --speed set 
to a low value.

Cheers,

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kaudiocreator still giving me fits - added info

[Richard Fish]

On 6/24/06, Colleen Beamer <colleen.beamer@gmail.com> wrote:
> kaudiocreator is not working as expected. The only thing that I can
> think of is that I don't have some setting correct and I'm darned if I
> can figure out what it is.
>
> Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: status timeout: status=0x80 { Busy }
> Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> Jun 23 22:04:15 localhost hdc: DMA disabled

If there is an incorrect setting, it would have to be in the kernel.
But I don't think it is very likely to be a problem with grip or
kaudiocreator.

Can you tell us more about what your hardware configuration is like
(other IDE disks, master/slave settings, any SATA drives, etc)?

Have you checked that the cables inside the computer are secure?
Could they have been damaged in any way?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: kaudiocreator still giving me fits - added info

[Colleen Beamer]

Hi,

My purpose here is to put this thread to bed.  Plus, I think it's rude
when someone goes to the trouble of responding and then has the response
ignored.  So, Richard, I apologize for the tardiness of my response.

Richard Fish wrote:
> On 6/24/06, Colleen Beamer <colleen.beamer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> kaudiocreator is not working as expected. The only thing that I can
>> think of is that I don't have some setting correct and I'm darned if I
>> can figure out what it is.
>>
>>
>
> If there is an incorrect setting, it would have to be in the kernel.
> But I don't think it is very likely to be a problem with grip or
> kaudiocreator.
>
> Can you tell us more about what your hardware configuration is like
> (other IDE disks, master/slave settings, any SATA drives, etc)?
>
> Have you checked that the cables inside the computer are secure?
> Could they have been damaged in any way?
As it turns out, I think the problem *was* a "wonky" CD-RW drive, as
others in this thread suggested.  I didn't think that was possible,
since the drive worked fine prior to an upgrade from KDE 3.4.3 to KDE
3.5.  However, when I went back to KDE 3.4.3, the erratic behaviour
continued.  I bit the bullet and bought another drive (haven't yet
installed it).  This paragraph is related to my desktop.

However, the point of writing this is to say that after a clean install
(i.e. wiping KDE 3.4.3 off my system) of KDE 3.5 on my laptop,
kaudiocreator is working as expected, so this lends credence to the fact
that it must have been the drive on my desktop that was failing.

Thanks to all for their responses and their patience with me.

Regards,

Colleen


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