[gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Allan Gottlieb]

My kids have finally convinced me that instead of burning CDs to play
in the car I should get a portable MP3 player (and use my existing
"adapter" that plugs into the headphone and presents a cassette tape
to the car's audio system).

What players would you recommend.  My needs are modest, a few hours of
MP3s would be enough.  My primary goal is to listen to "the teaching
company" lectures.

Although I can reboot my laptop into windows (very useful for getting
dell service), I would probably stick to CDs if transferring MP3 to
the device requires windows.

thanks,
allan
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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Allan Gottlieb]

At Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:28:19 +0000 "b.n." <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:

> Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>> Although I can reboot my laptop into windows (very useful for getting
>> dell service), I would probably stick to CDs if transferring MP3 to
>> the device requires windows.
>
> I think any pendrive-like mp3 player doesn't require windows. It just
> behaves as a flash USB pendrive, but plays audio files that are in it.
> Mine works perfectly :) .

So the typical 1/4-1 gig or so flash mp3 players (e.g. creative's zen
nano plus) will all work?  Could I ask what model you have?

> Also if you stick with an ipod, there should be linux sw able to
> interface with it (gtkpod I guess).

I prefer your first option.

thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Allan Gottlieb]

At Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:20:01 +0000 "b.n." <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyway, since you want to interface it with your portable, why don't you
> bring your portable in the shop and ask to try it with your portable?

A great idea.  I will ask that they let me open the box and try it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[b.n.]

Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> Although I can reboot my laptop into windows (very useful for getting
> dell service), I would probably stick to CDs if transferring MP3 to
> the device requires windows.

I think any pendrive-like mp3 player doesn't require windows. It just
behaves as a flash USB pendrive, but plays audio files that are in it.
Mine works perfectly :) .

Also if you stick with an ipod, there should be linux sw able to
interface with it (gtkpod I guess).

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Christoph Eckert]

> What players would you recommend.  My needs are modest, a few hours
> of MP3s would be enough.  My primary goal is to listen to "the
> teaching company" lectures.

most devices which have as a requirement Mac OS 8.6 or better simoky 
behave as a USB mass storage and therefore can be mounted on Linux. If 
you read "Driver for Win 98 included" or "...downloadable from web 
page", you can be 99% sure it is class compliant.

As you are on Linux, I'd like to recommend a device which also supports 
ogg, like some Samsung and TrekStor devices do. I also enjoy to have an 
FM receiver built in. Foldernavigation is a plus.

I just purchased an TrekStor iBeat organix FM @ 1GB. It's not a cheap 
device, but I took my notebook to the store, mounted it, copied an ogg 
and it worked, so the decicion was made. And I was sure that the day 
will arrive when I want to use it to port an ISO image of 800MB, so 
avoid 512MB devices :) .


Best regards,


ce


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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Alan]

On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 04:51:31PM -0400, Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> At Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:28:19 +0000 "b.n." <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Allan Gottlieb wrote:
> >> Although I can reboot my laptop into windows (very useful for getting
> >> dell service), I would probably stick to CDs if transferring MP3 to
> >> the device requires windows.
> >
> > I think any pendrive-like mp3 player doesn't require windows. It just
> > behaves as a flash USB pendrive, but plays audio files that are in it.
> > Mine works perfectly :) .
> 
> So the typical 1/4-1 gig or so flash mp3 players (e.g. creative's zen
> nano plus) will all work?  Could I ask what model you have?
> 
> > Also if you stick with an ipod, there should be linux sw able to
> > interface with it (gtkpod I guess).
> 
> I prefer your first option.

Both banshee and rhythmbox support mostly or will soon support fully the
ipod :)

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Christoph Eckert]

> Both banshee and rhythmbox support mostly or will soon support fully
> the ipod :)

Apple hard and software players don't support ogg vorbis,
and that's why Apple simply sucks. Sorry, I'm usually not a guy of harsh 
words, but take care about teh file formats you use. Will you be able 
to playback your music bought in the Apple shop if they decide to 
discontinue their audio hard- and software?


Best regards


ce
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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[b.n.]

> So the typical 1/4-1 gig or so flash mp3 players (e.g. creative's zen
> nano plus) will all work?  Could I ask what model you have?

I don't even remember, it is a cheap 256-mb mp3 player my collegues gave
me for my degree a couple of years ago. Now it's in my lab, so I can't
tell you.

Anyway, since you want to interface it with your portable, why don't you
bring your portable in the shop and ask to try it with your portable?

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Alan]

On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 01:04:37AM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote:
> 
> > Both banshee and rhythmbox support mostly or will soon support fully
> > the ipod :)
> 
> Apple hard and software players don't support ogg vorbis,
> and that's why Apple simply sucks. Sorry, I'm usually not a guy of harsh 
> words, but take care about teh file formats you use. Will you be able 
> to playback your music bought in the Apple shop if they decide to 
> discontinue their audio hard- and software?

I don't have an ipod so I have no experience, but there is a 3rd party
firmware hack that replaces the ipod firmware and supports flac/ogg/etc
and adds nifty things.

That said, everything I have is mp3 or flac transcoded to mp3 for
playback on my crappy old rio cali :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Samuel Baldwin]

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I'm positive that AmaroK supports iPod's fully.

I am, myself, (sounds a little redundant doesn't it?) getting an iRiver
soon, and not sure if any media players will support that...

Anyone know if iRiver's support ogg? I use that exclusively and transcoding
everything to mp3 would not be pleasant.

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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Christoph Eckert]

> I don't have an ipod so I have no experience, but there is a 3rd
> party firmware hack that replaces the ipod firmware and supports
> flac/ogg/etc and adds nifty things.

interesting. I'm not computer scientist, but doesn't this depend on the 
hardware chip in the device? Decoding ogg or even mp3 in software eats 
CPU and therefor battery life.

> That said, everything I have is mp3 or flac transcoded to mp3 for
> playback on my crappy old rio cali :)

The reason I like ogg is not only that I have some free music and ripped 
CDs in ogg on my hard drive. My preferred broadcasting used real 
streams in the past, but meanwhile they have switched to ogg stream. If 
I record it for later "consumption", I couldn't play it back with 
iTunes or one of the Apple hardware players.

I often use flac to save recordings losslessly (I'm a hobby musician), 
but later on I convert it to ogg to save disc space.


Best regards,


ce

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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Christoph Eckert]

> Anyone know if iRiver's support ogg?

depends on the actual device and firmware. For example, there was a 
firmware update for the iHP-100.

Best regards


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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Allan Gottlieb]

As the OP, let me thank all the responders for the helpful
comments/suggestions.

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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Joerg Plate]

> Anyone know if iRiver's support ogg?

My H340 supports ogg. It also works with Linux and OSX :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Samuel Baldwin]

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> My H340 supports ogg. It also works with Linux and OSX :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Johám-Luís Miguéns Vila]

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On 16:38 Fri 16 Jun     , Alan wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 01:04:37AM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote:
> > 
> > > Both banshee and rhythmbox support mostly or will soon support fully
> > > the ipod :)
> > 
> > Apple hard and software players don't support ogg vorbis,
> > and that's why Apple simply sucks. Sorry, I'm usually not a guy of harsh 
> > words, but take care about teh file formats you use. Will you be able 
> > to playback your music bought in the Apple shop if they decide to 
> > discontinue their audio hard- and software?
> 
> I don't have an ipod so I have no experience, but there is a 3rd party
> firmware hack that replaces the ipod firmware and supports flac/ogg/etc
> and adds nifty things.

Depending on which ipod generation, they're two great options:

- Rockbox. Open source firmware: allows you to play many file formats (flac, ogg, mp3...), play doom, gameboy games... etc. You can add songs just with "cp", there's no need to go thru libgpod (of course you can do it so, to be able to keep on using apple firmware... on rockbox, just use the tagcache feature). That's what I'm using with my 5G. I find the GUI much more attractive and informative (especially using pjulius builds and wps: various patches including audioscrobbler support, album art...). There's no video playback.

- IpodLinux. The aim is to be able to run an open source operating system on the device.  

With both you keep the apple firmware and can choose firmwares with a bootloader.

http://www.ipodlinux.org

http://www.rockbox.org

http://forums.rockbox.org


cheers

P.S.: Sorry, my english sucks a lot... 

> That said, everything I have is mp3 or flac transcoded to mp3 for
> playback on my crappy old rio cali :)
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Calvin Walton]

On 6/16/06, Allan Gottlieb <gottlieb@nyu.edu> wrote:
> What players would you recommend.  My needs are modest, a few hours of
> MP3s would be enough.  My primary goal is to listen to "the teaching
> company" lectures.

What I would recommend is any of iRiver's current flash based models.
Almost all of them have upgradeable firmware that can disable drm,
turn them into a usb mass storage device, and add ogg vorbis support.
They're really nice linux companions :)

Check iRiver's website to make sure the one you get has a "umd"
firmware available, if it does, you're on your way.

(I just happen to have a rather old 128mb iriver flash player, works
great. can even record 64kbit mp3 off a stereo line in, and holds ~2.5
hours of -q3 vorbis)

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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Bob Sanders]

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 19:48:37 -0400
"Samuel Baldwin" <shardz4217@gmail.com> wrote:

> Anyone know if iRiver's support ogg? I use that exclusively and transcoding
> everything to mp3 would not be pleasant.
>

My iFP-999 supports ogg.  I use it on Linux - Gentoo with ifp-manager
(which is not in Portage) and it works fine.  Plug it into the aux
jacks in my truck to listen to something other than the radio.

Bob 
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[gentoo-user] Re: supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Thomas Kirchner]

* On Jun 16 16:07, Allan Gottlieb (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
> What players would you recommend.  My needs are modest, a few hours of
> MP3s would be enough.

I would personally recommend any of the players from Cowon 
(cowonamerica.com).  They all support USB Mass Storage, meaning Linux 
works wonderfully, and they're all top quality.  Ogg Vorbis/FLAC are 
fully supported as well.  I prefer them to iRiver's products.

If you want a flash memory player, the U3 or G3 would serve you well.  
Their new iAudio 6 is a great product - it's based on Toshiba's new 0.85" 
hard drive, and from the reports I've heard, is pretty durable with 
regard to shock.  Plus, it's got all the features you could want and is 
tiny, but it'll cost you more than the others.

Tom
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: supported mp3 players (hardware)

[darren kirby]

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quoth the Thomas Kirchner:
> * On Jun 16 16:07, Allan Gottlieb (gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org) wrote:
> > What players would you recommend.  My needs are modest, a few hours of
> > MP3s would be enough.
>
> I would personally recommend any of the players from Cowon
> (cowonamerica.com).  They all support USB Mass Storage, meaning Linux
> works wonderfully, and they're all top quality.  Ogg Vorbis/FLAC are
> fully supported as well.  I prefer them to iRiver's products.

+1

I bought the iAudio X5e for myself. Works a treat from gentoo and plays Ogg 
and flac files as well as the usual mp3 and wma. Also has a line in jack so I 
can hook up my stereo and rip/encode vinyl strait to mp3.

Very happy with it, course it may be overkill for the OP purposes.

> If you want a flash memory player, the U3 or G3 would serve you well.
> Their new iAudio 6 is a great product - it's based on Toshiba's new 0.85"
> hard drive, and from the reports I've heard, is pretty durable with
> regard to shock.  Plus, it's got all the features you could want and is
> tiny, but it'll cost you more than the others.
>
> Tom

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Re: [gentoo-user] supported mp3 players (hardware)

[Ryan Tandy]

Alan wrote:
> 
> I don't have an ipod so I have no experience, but there is a 3rd party
> firmware hack that replaces the ipod firmware and supports flac/ogg/etc
> and adds nifty things.

<plug class="shameless">

http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net

</plug>

:D
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