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* [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
@ 2006-06-13 12:17 Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 12:31 ` Ptitjack
  2006-06-13 16:40 ` Richard Fish
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Mauro Arnoldi @ 2006-06-13 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Hello!

I installed a new Gentoo system, but I find big problems with ati drivers and 
3D acceleration. I have followed the wiki howto but now I receive this error 
message

#fglrxinfo
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
display: :0.0  screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)

I saw the Troubleshooting:
If fglrxinfo says "mesa3d.org" instead of "ATI" after A SUCCESSFUL modprobe of 
fglrx, but nothing changes.
I include my configuration, hoping that someone can help me out of this 
mess...

kernel version: 2.6.16-gentoo-r9
in "Character Devices":
	/dev/agpgart (AGP Support) 	M
	ATI chipset support			M

my xorg.conf:

--------------------------------
Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier     "Simple Layout"
        Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]" 0 0
        InputDevice    "Mouse1" "CorePointer"
        InputDevice    "Keyboard1" "CoreKeyboard"
        Option      "BlankTime" "3"  # Oscura lo schermo dopo 3 minuti (Fake)
        Option      "StandbyTime" "5"  # Spegne lo schermo dopo 5 minuti 
(DPMS)
        Option      "SuspendTime" "7"  # Suspend dopo 7 minuti
        Option      "OffTime" "10"  # Spegne dopo 10 minuti
EndSection

Section "Files"
        RgbPath      "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
        ModulePath   "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/misc"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/TTF"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/corefonts"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/freefonts"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/sharefonts"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/terminus"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/ttf-bitstream-vera"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/unifont"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/100dpi"
        FontPath     "/usr/share/fonts/artwiz"
EndSection

Section "Module"
        Load  "dbe"     # Double buffer extension
        SubSection "extmod"
                Option      "omit xfree86-dga"   # don't initialise the DGA 
extension
        EndSubSection
        Load  "type1"
#    Load        "speedo"
        Load  "freetype"
#    Load        "xtt"
        Load  "glx"
# This loads the DRI module
        Load  "dri"
        Load  "bitmap"
        Load  "pcidata"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier  "Keyboard1"
        Driver      "kbd"
        Option      "AutoRepeat" "500 30"
# Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1))
        Option      "XkbRules" "xorg"
        Option      "XkbModel" "pc102"
        Option      "XkbLayout" "it"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier  "Mouse1"
        Driver      "mouse"
        Option      "Protocol" "IMPS/2" # IntelliMouse PS/2
        Option      "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
# When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment
        Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5 6 7"
# Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button mice
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
        Option      "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
        Option      "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
        Option      "DPMS" "true"
        HorizSync    31.5 - 57.0
        VertRefresh  50.0 - 100.0
        Option      "DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
        Driver      "radeon"
        Option      "no_accel" "no"
        Option      "no_dri" "no"
        Option      "mtrr" "off" # disable DRI mtrr mapper, driver has its own 
code for mtrr
        Option      "DesktopSetup" "(null)"
        Option      "ScreenOverlap" "0"
        Option      "GammaCorrectionI" "0x06419064"
        Option      "GammaCorrectionII" "0x06419064"
        Option      "Capabilities" "0x00000000"
        Option      "CapabilitiesEx" "0x00000000"
        Option      "VideoOverlay" "on"
        Option      "OpenGLOverlay" "off"
        Option      "CenterMode" "off"
        Option      "PseudoColorVisuals" "off"
        Option      "Stereo" "off"
        Option      "StereoSyncEnable" "1"
        Option      "FSAAEnable" "no"
        Option      "FSAAScale" "1"
        Option      "FSAADisableGamma" "no"
        Option      "FSAACustomizeMSPos" "no"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosX0" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosY0" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosX1" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosY1" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosX2" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosY2" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosX3" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosY3" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosX4" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosY4" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosX5" "0.000000"
        Option      "FSAAMSPosY5" "0.000000"
        Option      "UseFastTLS" "0"
        Option      "BlockSignalsOnLock" "on"
        Option      "UseInternalAGPGART" "no"
        Option      "ForceGenericCPU" "no"
        Option      "DynamicClocks" "on"#DISATTIVARE SE CREA CRASH!!!
        Option      "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"   # Needed by plg3d
        BusID       "PCI:1:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]"
        Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]"
        Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "DRI"
       Mode         0666
EndSection
--------------------------------


Also another thing that I can't understand:

--------------------------------
#emerge -pv ati-drivers

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 (is blocking 
x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18)
[ebuild   R   ] x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18  USE="opengl" 0 kB
--------------------------------

If I want to install ati-drivers I have to unmerge xorg-server, then emerge 
the ati-drivers (that doesn't emerge the xorg-server) and then the 
xorg-server, but not the 1.0.99: the 1.1.0

--------------------------------
emerge -pv xorg-server

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.1.0  USE="dri nptl sdl xorg 
xprint -3dfx -debug -dmx -ipv6 -kdrive -minimal" INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard 
mouse -acecad -aiptek -calcomp -citron -digitaledge -dmc -dynapro -elo2300 -elographics -evdev -fpit -hyperpen -jamstudio -joystick -magellan -magictouch -microtouch -mutouch -palmax -penmount -spaceorb -summa -synaptics -tek4957 -ur98 -vmmouse -void -wacom" 
VIDEO_CARDS="fglrx radeon 
vga -apm -ark -chips -cirrus -cyrix -dummy -epson -fbdev -glint -i128 -i740 -i810 -imstt -mach64 -mga -neomagic -nsc -nv -nvidia -r128 -rendition -s3 -s3virge -savage -siliconmotion -sis -sisusb -tdfx -tga -trident -tseng -v4l -vesa -via -vmware -voodoo" 
0 kB
--------------------------------

Xorg version is: xorg-x11-7.1

Hoping someone can help me!

Thanks 

Mauro
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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 12:17 [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18 Mauro Arnoldi
@ 2006-06-13 12:31 ` Ptitjack
  2006-06-13 13:09   ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 16:40 ` Richard Fish
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Ptitjack @ 2006-06-13 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> Hello!
>
> I installed a new Gentoo system, but I find big problems with ati drivers and 
> 3D acceleration. I have followed the wiki howto but now I receive this error 
> message
>
> #fglrxinfo
> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> display: :0.0  screen: 0
> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)
>
> I saw the Troubleshooting:
> If fglrxinfo says "mesa3d.org" instead of "ATI" after A SUCCESSFUL modprobe of 
> fglrx, but nothing changes.
> I include my configuration, hoping that someone can help me out of this 
> mess...
>
> kernel version: 2.6.16-gentoo-r9
> in "Character Devices":
> 	/dev/agpgart (AGP Support) 	M
> 	ATI chipset support			M
>
>
>   
Hi,

I think  you have to disable ATI chipset support in Character Devices
(/dev/agpgart must be enabled as module).
I Hope it will help.

Regards,


- Ptitjack -


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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 12:31 ` Ptitjack
@ 2006-06-13 13:09   ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 13:22     ` Jacques Montier
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Mauro Arnoldi @ 2006-06-13 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Alle 14:31, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Ptitjack ha scritto:
> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I installed a new Gentoo system, but I find big problems with ati drivers
> > and 3D acceleration. I have followed the wiki howto but now I receive
> > this error message
> >
> > #fglrxinfo
> > Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> > display: :0.0  screen: 0
> > OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
> > OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
> > OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)
> >
> > I saw the Troubleshooting:
> > If fglrxinfo says "mesa3d.org" instead of "ATI" after A SUCCESSFUL
> > modprobe of fglrx, but nothing changes.
> > I include my configuration, hoping that someone can help me out of this
> > mess...
> >
> > kernel version: 2.6.16-gentoo-r9
> > in "Character Devices":
> > 	/dev/agpgart (AGP Support) 	M
> > 	ATI chipset support			M
>
> Hi,
>
> I think  you have to disable ATI chipset support in Character Devices
> (/dev/agpgart must be enabled as module).
> I Hope it will help.
>
Nothing changed:

#fglrxinfo
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
display: :0.0  screen: 0
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)

#glxinfo
name of display: :0.0
Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
display: :0  screen: 0
direct rendering: No
server glx vendor string: SGI
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
    GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating,
    GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap, GLX_OML_swap_method,
    GLX_SGI_make_current_read, GLX_SGIS_multisample, GLX_SGIX_hyperpipe,
    GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig
client glx vendor string: ATI
client glx version string: 1.3
client glx extensions:
    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context,
    GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_ATI_pixel_format_float,
    GLX_ATI_render_texture
GLX version: 1.2
GLX extensions:
    GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context,
    GLX_ARB_multisample
OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)
OpenGL extensions:
    GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multitexture, GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp,
    GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add,
    GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3,
    GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_blend_color,
    GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, GL_EXT_texture_env_add,
    GL_EXT_texture_env_combine, GL_EXT_texture_env_dot3,
    GL_EXT_texture_lod_bias
glu version: 1.3
glu extensions:
    GLU_EXT_nurbs_tessellator, GLU_EXT_object_space_tess

   visual  x  bf lv rg d st colorbuffer ax dp st accumbuffer  ms  cav
 id dep cl sp sz l  ci b ro  r  g  b  a bf th cl  r  g  b  a ns b eat
----------------------------------------------------------------------
0x23 24 tc  0 24  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 16  0  0  0  0  0  1 0 None
0x24 24 tc  0 24  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 16  8 16 16 16  0  1 0 None
0x25 24 tc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 16  8 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x26 24 tc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 16  8 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x27 24 dc  0 24  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 16  0  0  0  0  0  1 0 None
0x28 24 dc  0 24  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  0  0 16  8 16 16 16  0  1 0 None
0x29 24 dc  0 32  0 r  y  .  8  8  8  8  0 16  8 16 16 16 16  1 0 None
0x2a 24 dc  0 32  0 r  .  .  8  8  8  8  0 16  8 16 16 16 16  1 0 None

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 13:09   ` Mauro Arnoldi
@ 2006-06-13 13:22     ` Jacques Montier
  2006-06-13 13:40       ` Mauro Arnoldi
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Jacques Montier @ 2006-06-13 13:22 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> Alle 14:31, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Ptitjack ha scritto:
>   
>> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
>>     
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I installed a new Gentoo system, but I find big problems with ati drivers
>>> and 3D acceleration. I have followed the wiki howto but now I receive
>>> this error message
>>>
>>> #fglrxinfo
>>> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
>>> display: :0.0  screen: 0
>>> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
>>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
>>> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)
>>>
>>> I saw the Troubleshooting:
>>> If fglrxinfo says "mesa3d.org" instead of "ATI" after A SUCCESSFUL
>>> modprobe of fglrx, but nothing changes.
>>> I include my configuration, hoping that someone can help me out of this
>>> mess...
>>>
>>> kernel version: 2.6.16-gentoo-r9
>>> in "Character Devices":
>>> 	/dev/agpgart (AGP Support) 	M
>>> 	ATI chipset support			M
>>>       
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think  you have to disable ATI chipset support in Character Devices
>> (/dev/agpgart must be enabled as module).
>> I Hope it will help.
>>
>>     
> Nothing changed:
>
>   
After you have changed your kernel configuration, I suppose you
recompiled your kernel ?
Did you enable via chipset support in Character Devices ( then modprobe
via-agp) ?
After compiling ati-drivers, did you run
eselect opengl set ati ?


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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 13:22     ` Jacques Montier
@ 2006-06-13 13:40       ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 15:28         ` Jacques Montier
                           ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Mauro Arnoldi @ 2006-06-13 13:40 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Alle 15:22, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Jacques Montier ha scritto:
> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> > Alle 14:31, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Ptitjack ha scritto:
> >> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> >>> Hello!
> >>>
> >>> I installed a new Gentoo system, but I find big problems with ati
> >>> drivers and 3D acceleration. I have followed the wiki howto but now I
> >>> receive this error message
> >>>
> >>> #fglrxinfo
> >>> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> >>> display: :0.0  screen: 0
> >>> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
> >>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
> >>> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)
> >>>
> >>> I saw the Troubleshooting:
> >>> If fglrxinfo says "mesa3d.org" instead of "ATI" after A SUCCESSFUL
> >>> modprobe of fglrx, but nothing changes.
> >>> I include my configuration, hoping that someone can help me out of this
> >>> mess...
> >>>
> >>> kernel version: 2.6.16-gentoo-r9
> >>> in "Character Devices":
> >>> 	/dev/agpgart (AGP Support) 	M
> >>> 	ATI chipset support			M
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I think  you have to disable ATI chipset support in Character Devices
> >> (/dev/agpgart must be enabled as module).
> >> I Hope it will help.
> >
> > Nothing changed:
>
> After you have changed your kernel configuration, I suppose you
> recompiled your kernel ?
> Did you enable via chipset support in Character Devices ( then modprobe
> via-agp) ?
> After compiling ati-drivers, did you run
> eselect opengl set ati ?

eselect is ok:

#eselect opengl list
Available OpenGL implementations:
  [1]   ati *
  [2]   xorg-x11

Why do I have to compile via chipset support? I have and Ati Radeon X300 in my 
laptop..

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 13:40       ` Mauro Arnoldi
@ 2006-06-13 15:28         ` Jacques Montier
  2006-06-13 17:16           ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 17:16         ` Ryan Tandy
  2006-06-13 20:38         ` Martins Steinbergs
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Jacques Montier @ 2006-06-13 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> Alle 15:22, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Jacques Montier ha scritto:
>   
>> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
>>     
>>> Alle 14:31, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Ptitjack ha scritto:
>>>       
>>>> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Hello!
>>>>>
>>>>> I installed a new Gentoo system, but I find big problems with ati
>>>>> drivers and 3D acceleration. I have followed the wiki howto but now I
>>>>> receive this error message
>>>>>
>>>>> #fglrxinfo
>>>>> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
>>>>> display: :0.0  screen: 0
>>>>> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
>>>>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
>>>>> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)
>>>>>
>>>>> I saw the Troubleshooting:
>>>>> If fglrxinfo says "mesa3d.org" instead of "ATI" after A SUCCESSFUL
>>>>> modprobe of fglrx, but nothing changes.
>>>>> I include my configuration, hoping that someone can help me out of this
>>>>> mess...
>>>>>
>>>>> kernel version: 2.6.16-gentoo-r9
>>>>> in "Character Devices":
>>>>> 	/dev/agpgart (AGP Support) 	M
>>>>> 	ATI chipset support			M
>>>>>           
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think  you have to disable ATI chipset support in Character Devices
>>>> (/dev/agpgart must be enabled as module).
>>>> I Hope it will help.
>>>>         
>>> Nothing changed:
>>>       
>> After you have changed your kernel configuration, I suppose you
>> recompiled your kernel ?
>> Did you enable via chipset support in Character Devices ( then modprobe
>> via-agp) ?
>> After compiling ati-drivers, did you run
>> eselect opengl set ati ?
>>     
>
> eselect is ok:
>
> #eselect opengl list
> Available OpenGL implementations:
>   [1]   ati *
>   [2]   xorg-x11
>
> Why do I have to compile via chipset support? I have and Ati Radeon X300 in my 
> laptop..
>
>   
because of my VIA KT133A chipset motherboard.
Without loading via-agp module, I don't have any 3D acceleration.
What gives lspci  | grep AGP ?

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 12:17 [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18 Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 12:31 ` Ptitjack
@ 2006-06-13 16:40 ` Richard Fish
  2006-06-13 17:22   ` Mauro Arnoldi
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Richard Fish @ 2006-06-13 16:40 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 6/13/06, Mauro Arnoldi <agharti81@tiscali.it> wrote:
> Section "Device"
>         Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
>         Driver      "radeon"

If you want to use the ati drivers, this should be "fglrx".

-Richard
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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 15:28         ` Jacques Montier
@ 2006-06-13 17:16           ` Mauro Arnoldi
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Mauro Arnoldi @ 2006-06-13 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Alle 17:28, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Jacques Montier ha scritto:
> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> > Alle 15:22, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Jacques Montier ha scritto:
> >> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> >>> Alle 14:31, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Ptitjack ha scritto:
> >>>> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> >>>>> Hello!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I installed a new Gentoo system, but I find big problems with ati
> >>>>> drivers and 3D acceleration. I have followed the wiki howto but now I
> >>>>> receive this error message
> >>>>>
> >>>>> #fglrxinfo
> >>>>> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> >>>>> display: :0.0  screen: 0
> >>>>> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
> >>>>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
> >>>>> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I saw the Troubleshooting:
> >>>>> If fglrxinfo says "mesa3d.org" instead of "ATI" after A SUCCESSFUL
> >>>>> modprobe of fglrx, but nothing changes.
> >>>>> I include my configuration, hoping that someone can help me out of
> >>>>> this mess...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> kernel version: 2.6.16-gentoo-r9
> >>>>> in "Character Devices":
> >>>>> 	/dev/agpgart (AGP Support) 	M
> >>>>> 	ATI chipset support			M
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think  you have to disable ATI chipset support in Character Devices
> >>>> (/dev/agpgart must be enabled as module).
> >>>> I Hope it will help.
> >>>
> >>> Nothing changed:
> >>
> >> After you have changed your kernel configuration, I suppose you
> >> recompiled your kernel ?
> >> Did you enable via chipset support in Character Devices ( then modprobe
> >> via-agp) ?
> >> After compiling ati-drivers, did you run
> >> eselect opengl set ati ?
> >
> > eselect is ok:
> >
> > #eselect opengl list
> > Available OpenGL implementations:
> >   [1]   ati *
> >   [2]   xorg-x11
> >
> > Why do I have to compile via chipset support? I have and Ati Radeon X300
> > in my laptop..
>
> because of my VIA KT133A chipset motherboard.
> Without loading via-agp module, I don't have any 3D acceleration.
> What gives lspci  | grep AGP ?

I find nothing!! :-O
But maybe the correct line is 

00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/PM Express PCI Express Root 
Port (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [Normal decode])

because a radeon X300 it's not an AGP card but a PCI Express...
I enabled in my kernel the "Intel 440LX/BX/GX, I8xx and E7x05 chipset 
support", but still nothing at all... I always receive the error above...
I'm getting crazy.. 

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 13:40       ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 15:28         ` Jacques Montier
@ 2006-06-13 17:16         ` Ryan Tandy
  2006-06-13 17:56           ` Jarry
  2006-06-13 20:38         ` Martins Steinbergs
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Tandy @ 2006-06-13 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Mauro Arnoldi wrote:
> Alle 15:22, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Jacques Montier ha scritto:
>> Did you enable via chipset support in Character Devices ( then modprobe
>> via-agp) ?
>> After compiling ati-drivers, did you run
>> eselect opengl set ati ?
> 
> eselect is ok:
> 
> #eselect opengl list
> Available OpenGL implementations:
>   [1]   ati *
>   [2]   xorg-x11
> 
> Why do I have to compile via chipset support? I have and Ati Radeon X300 in my 
> laptop..
> 

The chipset support you need is nothing to do with your video card - 
it's the driver for the AGP chipset on your motherboard.  If you have a 
Via motherboard, you want via-agp, if you have an Intel you want 
intel-agp, and so on.
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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 16:40 ` Richard Fish
@ 2006-06-13 17:22   ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 17:52     ` Richard Fish
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Mauro Arnoldi @ 2006-06-13 17:22 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Alle 18:40, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Richard Fish ha scritto:
> On 6/13/06, Mauro Arnoldi <agharti81@tiscali.it> wrote:
> > Section "Device"
> >         Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]"
> >         Driver      "radeon"
>
> If you want to use the ati drivers, this should be "fglrx".

If I set like you say I get:
(EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) No drivers available
I also have read that kernel 2.6.16 has problems with ati drivers, but I can't 
find a patch... 

> -Richard

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 17:22   ` Mauro Arnoldi
@ 2006-06-13 17:52     ` Richard Fish
  2006-06-13 18:52       ` Mauro Arnoldi
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Richard Fish @ 2006-06-13 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 6/13/06, Mauro Arnoldi <agharti81@tiscali.it> wrote:
> If I set like you say I get:
> (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) No drivers available
> I also have read that kernel 2.6.16 has problems with ati drivers, but I can't
> find a patch...

This usually means you need to re-merge ati-drivers.  You have to do
this every time you upgrade to a new kernel.

As far as the 2.6.16 support, I find this in
/usr/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ChangeLog:

*ati-drivers-8.24.8 (17 Apr 2006)
<snip>
  21 Mar 2006; Jory A. Pratt <anarchy@gentoo.org>
  +files/ati-drivers-8.23.7-noiommu.patch, ati-drivers-8.23.7.ebuild:
  2.6.16 support wrt bug#122335

So it looks like whatever patches are needed are already applied by
Gentoo.  Try it and report back if it fails.

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 17:16         ` Ryan Tandy
@ 2006-06-13 17:56           ` Jarry
  2006-06-13 18:19             ` Richard Fish
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Jarry @ 2006-06-13 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Ryan Tandy wrote:

> The chipset support you need is nothing to do with your video card - 
> it's the driver for the AGP chipset on your motherboard.  If you have a 
> Via motherboard, you want via-agp, if you have an Intel you want 
> intel-agp, and so on.

A little OT:
What if I do not have any agp, but pci-express graphics?
(nForce4 based mobo for workstation and intel 915gm based notebook)
Do I still have to include agp-support in kernel? Which?

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 17:56           ` Jarry
@ 2006-06-13 18:19             ` Richard Fish
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Richard Fish @ 2006-06-13 18:19 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 6/13/06, Jarry <jarry@gmx.net> wrote:
> What if I do not have any agp, but pci-express graphics?
> (nForce4 based mobo for workstation and intel 915gm based notebook)
> Do I still have to include agp-support in kernel? Which?

I don't, but I am using the nvidia drivers.

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 17:52     ` Richard Fish
@ 2006-06-13 18:52       ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 19:10         ` Ptitjack
  2006-06-13 19:51         ` Ryan Tandy
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Mauro Arnoldi @ 2006-06-13 18:52 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Alle 19:52, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Richard Fish ha scritto:
> On 6/13/06, Mauro Arnoldi <agharti81@tiscali.it> wrote:
> > If I set like you say I get:
> > (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
> > (EE) No drivers available
> > I also have read that kernel 2.6.16 has problems with ati drivers, but I
> > can't find a patch...
>
> This usually means you need to re-merge ati-drivers.  You have to do
> this every time you upgrade to a new kernel.
>
> As far as the 2.6.16 support, I find this in
> /usr/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ChangeLog:
>
> *ati-drivers-8.24.8 (17 Apr 2006)
> <snip>
>   21 Mar 2006; Jory A. Pratt <anarchy@gentoo.org>
>   +files/ati-drivers-8.23.7-noiommu.patch, ati-drivers-8.23.7.ebuild:
>   2.6.16 support wrt bug#122335
>
> So it looks like whatever patches are needed are already applied by
> Gentoo.  Try it and report back if it fails.

My ati drivers doesn't want to compile:

#emerge -pv ati-drivers

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 (is blocking 
x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18)
[ebuild   R   ] x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18  USE="opengl" 0 kB

I try with: emerge -O ati-drivers and I set the driver "fglrx". The result:

(EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
(EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
(EE) No drivers available

> -Richard

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 18:52       ` Mauro Arnoldi
@ 2006-06-13 19:10         ` Ptitjack
  2006-06-13 19:37           ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 19:51         ` Ryan Tandy
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Ptitjack @ 2006-06-13 19:10 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> Alle 19:52, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Richard Fish ha scritto:
>   
>> On 6/13/06, Mauro Arnoldi <agharti81@tiscali.it> wrote:
>>     
>>> If I set like you say I get:
>>> (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
>>> (EE) No drivers available
>>> I also have read that kernel 2.6.16 has problems with ati drivers, but I
>>> can't find a patch...
>>>       
>> This usually means you need to re-merge ati-drivers.  You have to do
>> this every time you upgrade to a new kernel.
>>
>> As far as the 2.6.16 support, I find this in
>> /usr/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ChangeLog:
>>
>> *ati-drivers-8.24.8 (17 Apr 2006)
>> <snip>
>>   21 Mar 2006; Jory A. Pratt <anarchy@gentoo.org>
>>   +files/ati-drivers-8.23.7-noiommu.patch, ati-drivers-8.23.7.ebuild:
>>   2.6.16 support wrt bug#122335
>>
>> So it looks like whatever patches are needed are already applied by
>> Gentoo.  Try it and report back if it fails.
>>     
>
> My ati drivers doesn't want to compile:
>
> #emerge -pv ati-drivers
>
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
>
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 (is blocking 
> x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18)
> [ebuild   R   ] x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18  USE="opengl" 0 kB
>
> I try with: emerge -O ati-drivers and I set the driver "fglrx". The result:
>
> (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
> (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) No drivers available
>
>   
>> -Richard
>>     
>
>   
Yes, it seems that there is a problem between xorg-server-1.0.99 and
ati-drivers; :-(

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-458721-highlight-atidrivers+xorgserver.html


- Ptitjack -


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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 19:10         ` Ptitjack
@ 2006-06-13 19:37           ` Mauro Arnoldi
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Mauro Arnoldi @ 2006-06-13 19:37 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Alle 21:10, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Ptitjack ha scritto:
> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> > Alle 19:52, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Richard Fish ha scritto:
> >> On 6/13/06, Mauro Arnoldi <agharti81@tiscali.it> wrote:
> >>> If I set like you say I get:
> >>> (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
> >>> (EE) No drivers available
> >>> I also have read that kernel 2.6.16 has problems with ati drivers, but
> >>> I can't find a patch...
> >>
> >> This usually means you need to re-merge ati-drivers.  You have to do
> >> this every time you upgrade to a new kernel.
> >>
> >> As far as the 2.6.16 support, I find this in
> >> /usr/portage/x11-drivers/ati-drivers/ChangeLog:
> >>
> >> *ati-drivers-8.24.8 (17 Apr 2006)
> >> <snip>
> >>   21 Mar 2006; Jory A. Pratt <anarchy@gentoo.org>
> >>   +files/ati-drivers-8.23.7-noiommu.patch, ati-drivers-8.23.7.ebuild:
> >>   2.6.16 support wrt bug#122335
> >>
> >> So it looks like whatever patches are needed are already applied by
> >> Gentoo.  Try it and report back if it fails.
> >
> > My ati drivers doesn't want to compile:
> >
> > #emerge -pv ati-drivers
> >
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> >
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > [blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 (is blocking
> > x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18)
> > [ebuild   R   ] x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18  USE="opengl" 0 kB
> >
> > I try with: emerge -O ati-drivers and I set the driver "fglrx". The
> > result:
> >
> > (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
> > (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
> > (EE) No drivers available
> >
> >> -Richard
>
> Yes, it seems that there is a problem between xorg-server-1.0.99 and
> ati-drivers; :-(
>
> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-458721-highlight-atidrivers+xorgserver
>.html
>

But for me doesn't work both the closed and the open source drivers! Well, I 
suppose I have to wait the next release...

> - Ptitjack -
>
>
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>                       ^^^
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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 18:52       ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 19:10         ` Ptitjack
@ 2006-06-13 19:51         ` Ryan Tandy
  2006-06-14  7:18           ` Mauro Arnoldi
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 19+ messages in thread
From: Ryan Tandy @ 2006-06-13 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Mauro Arnoldi wrote:
> 
> My ati drivers doesn't want to compile:
> 
> #emerge -pv ati-drivers
> 
> These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies... done!
> [blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 (is blocking 
> x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18)
> [ebuild   R   ] x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18  USE="opengl" 0 kB
> 
> I try with: emerge -O ati-drivers and I set the driver "fglrx". The result:
> 
> (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
> (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) No drivers available
> 
>> -Richard
> 
Then you may need to use a different xorg-server version.  If that 
doesn't pose a major problem, then

# emerge -C xorg-server
# emerge -D ati-drivers

Simply installing the ati-drivers should automatically pull in the 
newest xorg-server that they will work with.  There's a thread somewhere 
on forums.gentoo.org, and another one a while back on gentoo-dev, 
explaining the reason for the block.

When I first started with the ati-drivers, Xorg 6.8 was the latest 
available, but they would only work with 6.7 - so we had to wait until 
ATI released a new version before we could use 6.8.

Waiting a few weeks for the very latest xorg-server build won't kill you. ;)
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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 13:40       ` Mauro Arnoldi
  2006-06-13 15:28         ` Jacques Montier
  2006-06-13 17:16         ` Ryan Tandy
@ 2006-06-13 20:38         ` Martins Steinbergs
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Martins Steinbergs @ 2006-06-13 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Tuesday 13 June 2006 16:40, Mauro Arnoldi wrote:
> Alle 15:22, martedģ 13 giugno 2006, Jacques Montier ha scritto:
> > Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> > > Alle 14:31, martedģ 13 giugno 2006, Ptitjack ha scritto:
> > >> Mauro Arnoldi a gentiment tapote:
> > >>> Hello!
> > >>>
> > >>> I installed a new Gentoo system, but I find big problems with ati
> > >>> drivers and 3D acceleration. I have followed the wiki howto but now I
> > >>> receive this error message
> > >>>
> > >>> #fglrxinfo
> > >>> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
> > >>> display: :0.0  screen: 0
> > >>> OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org
> > >>> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect
> > >>> OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.5)
> > >>>
> > >>> I saw the Troubleshooting:
> > >>> If fglrxinfo says "mesa3d.org" instead of "ATI" after A SUCCESSFUL
> > >>> modprobe of fglrx, but nothing changes.
> > >>> I include my configuration, hoping that someone can help me out of
> > >>> this mess...
> > >>>
> > >>> kernel version: 2.6.16-gentoo-r9
> > >>> in "Character Devices":
> > >>> 	/dev/agpgart (AGP Support) 	M
> > >>> 	ATI chipset support			M
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I think  you have to disable ATI chipset support in Character Devices
> > >> (/dev/agpgart must be enabled as module).
> > >> I Hope it will help.
> > >
> > > Nothing changed:
> >
> > After you have changed your kernel configuration, I suppose you
> > recompiled your kernel ?
> > Did you enable via chipset support in Character Devices ( then modprobe
> > via-agp) ?
> > After compiling ati-drivers, did you run
> > eselect opengl set ati ?
>
> eselect is ok:
>
> #eselect opengl list
> Available OpenGL implementations:
>   [1]   ati *
>   [2]   xorg-x11
>
> Why do I have to compile via chipset support? I have and Ati Radeon X300 in
> my laptop..

set kernel .config these lines

CONFIG_AGP=y
CONFIG_AGP_AMD64=y  (this in question)
CONFIG_AGP_INTEL=y 
# CONFIG_DRM is not set (this is must have)

set in xorg.conf
    Driver      "fglrx"

dont use x11-base/xorg-x11-7.1


good luck

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* Re: [gentoo-user] troubles with ati-drivers-8.25.18
  2006-06-13 19:51         ` Ryan Tandy
@ 2006-06-14  7:18           ` Mauro Arnoldi
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 19+ messages in thread
From: Mauro Arnoldi @ 2006-06-14  7:18 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Alle 21:51, martedì 13 giugno 2006, Ryan Tandy ha scritto:
> Mauro Arnoldi wrote:
> > My ati drivers doesn't want to compile:
> >
> > #emerge -pv ati-drivers
> >
> > These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
> >
> > Calculating dependencies... done!
> > [blocks B     ] >=x11-base/xorg-server-1.0.99 (is blocking
> > x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18)
> > [ebuild   R   ] x11-drivers/ati-drivers-8.25.18  USE="opengl" 0 kB
> >
> > I try with: emerge -O ati-drivers and I set the driver "fglrx". The
> > result:
> >
> > (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
> > (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
> > (EE) No drivers available
> >
> >> -Richard
>
> Then you may need to use a different xorg-server version.  If that
> doesn't pose a major problem, then
>
> # emerge -C xorg-server
> # emerge -D ati-drivers
>
> Simply installing the ati-drivers should automatically pull in the
> newest xorg-server that they will work with.  There's a thread somewhere
> on forums.gentoo.org, and another one a while back on gentoo-dev,
> explaining the reason for the block.
>
> When I first started with the ati-drivers, Xorg 6.8 was the latest
> available, but they would only work with 6.7 - so we had to wait until
> ATI released a new version before we could use 6.8.
>
> Waiting a few weeks for the very latest xorg-server build won't kill you.
> ;)

Ok, I'll try not to die in the meanwhile :)
Thanks!

Mauro

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