[gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[michael]

Hello,

I'm trying to remove any dependencies on x11 from my headless server. Thanks to
someone's help last week, I learned how to configure libdb to not use java,
which had dragged in the java IDE which dragged in x11.

That worked wonderfully, and I removed x11 and thought I was done.

As a sanity check, I checked to see what emerge world would do and was
surprised:

  # emerge -Duv --pretend --tree world

   [ebuild  N    ] x11-terms/xterm-207  -Xaw3d -doc -toolbar +truetype -unicode 0  kB
   [nomerge      ]  sys-apps/utempter-0.5.5.6
   [nomerge      ]   app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0-r3
   [ebuild  N    ]    virtual/x11-6.8  0 kB
   [ebuild  N    ]     x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r7  -3dfx -3dnow +bitmap-fonts
   -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx -doc -font-server -insecure-drivers +ipv6 -minimal
   -mmx +nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk -sse -static +truetype-fonts +type1-fonts
   (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 0 kB
   [ebuild  N    ]      x11-base/opengl-update-3.0.0  0 kB
   [ebuild  N    ]      x11-apps/ttmkfdir-3.0.9-r3  0 kB

How can I find out what is requiring x11-terms/xterm-207?

Thanks,
Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[michael]

On Fri, 26 May 2006, Steven Susbauer wrote:

> On Fri, 26 May 2006, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'm trying to remove any dependencies on x11 from my headless server. Thanks
>> to
>> someone's help last week, I learned how to configure libdb to not use java,
>> which had dragged in the java IDE which dragged in x11.
>>
>> That worked wonderfully, and I removed x11 and thought I was done.
>>
>> As a sanity check, I checked to see what emerge world would do and was
>> surprised:
>>
>>  # emerge -Duv --pretend --tree world
>>
>>   [ebuild  N    ] x11-terms/xterm-207  -Xaw3d -doc -toolbar +truetype -unicode
>>   0  kB
>>   [nomerge      ]  sys-apps/utempter-0.5.5.6
>>   [nomerge      ]   app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0-r3
>>   [ebuild  N    ]    virtual/x11-6.8  0 kB
>>   [ebuild  N    ]     x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r7  -3dfx -3dnow +bitmap-fonts
>>   -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx -doc -font-server -insecure-drivers +ipv6
>>   -minimal
>>   -mmx +nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk -sse -static +truetype-fonts +type1-fonts
>>   (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 0 kB
>>   [ebuild  N    ]      x11-base/opengl-update-3.0.0  0 kB
>>   [ebuild  N    ]      x11-apps/ttmkfdir-3.0.9-r3  0 kB
>>
>> How can I find out what is requiring x11-terms/xterm-207?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Michael
>>
>
>
> What are your use flags from /etc/make.conf and /usr/portage/package.use?
> You have opengl as an enabled flag, for example, and that would pull in
> xorg if something reacts to it (as libsdl does on my system).
> --

I should have included that in my original email, of course:

$ grep USE  /etc/make.conf | grep -v "^#"
USE="berkdb innodb"

I have no /usr/portage/package.use

$ grep USE  /etc/make.profile/make.defaults
USE="alsa apm arts avi bitmap-fonts cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb
gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad mikmod
motif mp3 mpeg ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pdflib png qt quicktime sdl spell
truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis X xml2 xmms xv"

AHA!

but the man page for emerge says not to edit /etc/make.profile/make.defaults.
How do I get X out of there? If in fact that's the cause of my problem?

Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[Steven Susbauer]

On Fri, 26 May 2006, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm trying to remove any dependencies on x11 from my headless server. Thanks
> to
> someone's help last week, I learned how to configure libdb to not use java,
> which had dragged in the java IDE which dragged in x11.
>
> That worked wonderfully, and I removed x11 and thought I was done.
>
> As a sanity check, I checked to see what emerge world would do and was
> surprised:
>
>  # emerge -Duv --pretend --tree world
>
>   [ebuild  N    ] x11-terms/xterm-207  -Xaw3d -doc -toolbar +truetype -unicode
>   0  kB
>   [nomerge      ]  sys-apps/utempter-0.5.5.6
>   [nomerge      ]   app-arch/rpm2targz-9.0-r3
>   [ebuild  N    ]    virtual/x11-6.8  0 kB
>   [ebuild  N    ]     x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r7  -3dfx -3dnow +bitmap-fonts
>   -cjk -debug -dlloader -dmx -doc -font-server -insecure-drivers +ipv6
>   -minimal
>   -mmx +nls -nocxx +opengl +pam -sdk -sse -static +truetype-fonts +type1-fonts
>   (-uclibc) -xprint +xv 0 kB
>   [ebuild  N    ]      x11-base/opengl-update-3.0.0  0 kB
>   [ebuild  N    ]      x11-apps/ttmkfdir-3.0.9-r3  0 kB
>
> How can I find out what is requiring x11-terms/xterm-207?
>
> Thanks,
> Michael
>


What are your use flags from /etc/make.conf and /usr/portage/package.use?
You have opengl as an enabled flag, for example, and that would pull in
xorg if something reacts to it (as libsdl does on my system).
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[Anthony E. Caudel]

Steven Susbauer wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 26 May 2006, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:
> 
> 
>>I should have included that in my original email, of course:
>>
>>$ grep USE  /etc/make.conf | grep -v "^#"
>>USE="berkdb innodb"
>>
>>I have no /usr/portage/package.use
>>
>>$ grep USE  /etc/make.profile/make.defaults
>>USE="alsa apm arts avi bitmap-fonts cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb
>>gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad mikmod
>>motif mp3 mpeg ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pdflib png qt quicktime sdl spell
>>truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis X xml2 xmms xv"
>>
>>AHA!
>>
>>but the man page for emerge says not to edit /etc/make.profile/make.defaults.
>>How do I get X out of there? If in fact that's the cause of my problem?
>>
>>Michael
>>
> 
> 
> Everything you put in /etc/make.conf should be based on the
> make.defaults, or possible things you want enabled.
> If X is in make.defaults, add -X to make.conf to disable it. You should
> probably add "-X -opengl -gnome -gtk -gtk2 -kde -qt" to /etc/make.conf at
> least, that should hopefully fix your issues.
> 
> -Steven
Curious that "X" should be in make.defaults.  Does that mean that the 
devs think that everyone wants X loaded?

Tony

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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[Steven Susbauer]

On Fri, 26 May 2006, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:

> I should have included that in my original email, of course:
>
> $ grep USE  /etc/make.conf | grep -v "^#"
> USE="berkdb innodb"
>
> I have no /usr/portage/package.use
>
> $ grep USE  /etc/make.profile/make.defaults
> USE="alsa apm arts avi bitmap-fonts cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb
> gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad mikmod
> motif mp3 mpeg ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pdflib png qt quicktime sdl spell
> truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis X xml2 xmms xv"
>
> AHA!
>
> but the man page for emerge says not to edit /etc/make.profile/make.defaults.
> How do I get X out of there? If in fact that's the cause of my problem?
>
> Michael
>

Everything you put in /etc/make.conf should be based on the
make.defaults, or possible things you want enabled.
If X is in make.defaults, add -X to make.conf to disable it. You should
probably add "-X -opengl -gnome -gtk -gtk2 -kde -qt" to /etc/make.conf at
least, that should hopefully fix your issues.

-Steven
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[michael]

On Fri, 26 May 2006, Steven Susbauer wrote:

>
>
> On Fri, 26 May 2006, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:
>
>> I should have included that in my original email, of course:
>>
>> $ grep USE  /etc/make.conf | grep -v "^#"
>> USE="berkdb innodb"
>>
>> I have no /usr/portage/package.use
>>
>> $ grep USE  /etc/make.profile/make.defaults
>> USE="alsa apm arts avi bitmap-fonts cups eds emboss encode fortran foomaticdb
>> gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad mikmod
>> motif mp3 mpeg ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pdflib png qt quicktime sdl spell
>> truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis X xml2 xmms xv"
>>
>> AHA!
>>
>> but the man page for emerge says not to edit /etc/make.profile/make.defaults.
>> How do I get X out of there? If in fact that's the cause of my problem?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>
> Everything you put in /etc/make.conf should be based on the
> make.defaults, or possible things you want enabled.
> If X is in make.defaults, add -X to make.conf to disable it. You should
> probably add "-X -opengl -gnome -gtk -gtk2 -kde -qt" to /etc/make.conf at
> least, that should hopefully fix your issues.
>
> -Steven

Thanks. That makes perfect sense. I presume I should do emerge update with --newuse ?

Michael
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[Steven Susbauer]

On Fri, 26 May 2006, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:

> Steven Susbauer wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 26 May 2006, michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > >I should have included that in my original email, of course:
> > >
> > >$ grep USE  /etc/make.conf | grep -v "^#"
> > >USE="berkdb innodb"
> > >
> > >I have no /usr/portage/package.use
> > >
> > >$ grep USE  /etc/make.profile/make.defaults
> > >USE="alsa apm arts avi bitmap-fonts cups eds emboss encode fortran
> > >foomaticdb
> > >gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad
> > >mikmod
> > >motif mp3 mpeg ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pdflib png qt quicktime sdl spell
> > >truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis X xml2 xmms xv"
> > >
> > >AHA!
> > >
> > >but the man page for emerge says not to edit
> > >/etc/make.profile/make.defaults.
> > >How do I get X out of there? If in fact that's the cause of my problem?
> > >
> > >Michael
> > >
> >
> >
> > Everything you put in /etc/make.conf should be based on the
> > make.defaults, or possible things you want enabled.
> > If X is in make.defaults, add -X to make.conf to disable it. You should
> > probably add "-X -opengl -gnome -gtk -gtk2 -kde -qt" to /etc/make.conf at
> > least, that should hopefully fix your issues.
> >
> > -Steven
> Curious that "X" should be in make.defaults.  Does that mean that the devs
> think that everyone wants X loaded?
>
> Tony
>

I think the basic default use flags are meant to be for a "general
purpose" system, which would usually include X. If you are lazy and don't
want to change your use flags, chances are you won't have to, at least not
very much, to have all of your programs work. If you're able to use the
system without X installed, it's most likely assumed you can add -X to
make.conf.
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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 26 May 2006 23:07:41 -0500, Anthony E. Caudel wrote:

> Curious that "X" should be in make.defaults.  Does that mean that the 
> devs think that everyone wants X loaded?

No, that's why it is called make.defaults and has several files which
will override it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 26 May 2006 20:05:34 -0700 (PDT), michael@michaelshiloh.com wrote:

> $ grep USE  /etc/make.conf | grep -v "^#"
> USE="berkdb innodb"
> 
> I have no /usr/portage/package.use
> 
> $ grep USE  /etc/make.profile/make.defaults
> USE="alsa apm arts avi bitmap-fonts cups eds emboss encode fortran
> foomaticdb gdbm gif gnome gpm gstreamer gtk gtk2 imlib jpeg kde libg++
> libwww mad mikmod motif mp3 mpeg ogg oggvorbis opengl oss pdflib png qt
> quicktime sdl spell truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts vorbis X xml2
> xmms xv"

The correct way to see which USE flags are in operation is

emerge --info | grep USE

This shows the combined effect of your profile and make.conf (but not
per-package settings from /etc/portage).


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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[Walter Dnes]

On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 09:02:25AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote

> The correct way to see which USE flags are in operation is
> 
> emerge --info | grep USE
> 
> This shows the combined effect of your profile and make.conf (but not
> per-package settings from /etc/portage).

  One question about that.  In my /etc/make.conf

[m3000][root][~] grep USE /etc/make.conf
USE="-* 3dnow X a52 aac alsa bzip2 cdr dga dio divx4linux dri dvd dvdr dvdread encode exif ffmpeg flac fortran gb gif gtk2 imlib jpeg maildir mikmod mime mmap mmx mng mp3 mpeg ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ogg opengl plotutils png posix quicktime readline sdl sharedmem slang sockets sse sse2 theora threads tiff truetype vcd vorbis win32codecs wmf xpm xv zlib"

  The flags actually in use are...

[m3000][root][~] emerge --info | grep USE
USE="x86 3dnow X a52 aac alsa bzip2 cdr dga dio divx4linux dri dvd dvdr dvdread encode exif ffmpeg flac fortran gb gif gtk2 imlib jpeg maildir mikmod mime mmap mmx mng mp3 mpeg ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ogg opengl plotutils png posix quicktime readline sdl sharedmem slang sockets sse sse2 theora threads tiff truetype vcd vorbis win32codecs wmf xpm xv zlib userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc"

  What do the flags "userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc" do?  I'm
sure the developers have some reason to put them in.  Mind you, I don't
always agree with the developers, but that's another story.

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Re: [gentoo-user] What is causing x11-terms/xterm to be dragged in?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 28 May 2006 12:35:21 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote:

>   What do the flags "userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc" do?

Not show up with the latest portage :)

> I'm
> sure the developers have some reason to put them in.  Mind you, I don't
> always agree with the developers, but that's another story.

As i understand it, they are there because portage can now be used on
other than GNU/Linux systems based on glibc.


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