[gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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People,

	I'm working on a new portage browser, and I was looking for ideas from USERS, that's why I'm
posting here.

	I've never found a program that would allow me to browse portage categories, then packages, showing
in one window description, version, etc, etc.

	Thus, I'm working on one now, but I want to develop something that will run in console and X, too,
like suse's yast.

	So, I would like to know:

	1) do you prefer a console, a GUI, or both?
	2) what additional functionality would you like? (mask/unmask packages, install/remove, emerge
command generator [much like nmapfe], etc)

	If you have any idea regarding development (because of the both console and X-compatible
script/program), please let me know. If not, I may end up writing an API, and two different programs.

	Sincerely,

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Michael Sullivan]

On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 18:29 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote:
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> People,
> 
> 	I'm working on a new portage browser, and I was looking for ideas from USERS, that's why I'm
> posting here.
> 
> 	I've never found a program that would allow me to browse portage categories, then packages, showing
> in one window description, version, etc, etc.
> 
> 	Thus, I'm working on one now, but I want to develop something that will run in console and X, too,
> like suse's yast.
> 
> 	So, I would like to know:
> 
> 	1) do you prefer a console, a GUI, or both?

I would prefer both.
> 	2) what additional functionality would you like? (mask/unmask packages, install/remove, emerge
> command generator [much like nmapfe], etc)
I'd say as much as you can put in it.
> 
> 	If you have any idea regarding development (because of the both console and X-compatible
> script/program), please let me know. If not, I may end up writing an API, and two different programs.
> 
> 	Sincerely,
> 
> - --
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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Christoph Eckert]

Hi,


> I'm working on a new portage browser, and I was looking for ideas
> from USERS, that's why I'm posting here.

as I'm a Desktop user, I'll speak up ;-) .

> I've never found a program that would allow me to browse
> portage categories, then packages, showing in one window description,
> version, etc, etc.
>
> Thus, I'm working on one now, but I want to develop something

Great to hear!

> that will run in console and X, too, like suse's yast.
>
> So, I would like to know:
>
> 1) do you prefer a console, a GUI, or both?

Both would be great.

> 2) what additional functionality would you like? (mask/unmask
> packages, install/remove, emerge command generator [much like
> nmapfe], etc)

There already are some projects which try to do frontends for 
configuring a Gentoo system. If you write a portage frontend then yes, 
I'd enjoy to have all settings right at my fingertips. Otherwise I'd 
better stay with 4 shells open ;-) .

> If you have any idea regarding development (because of the
> both console and X-compatible script/program), please let me know. If
> not, I may end up writing an API, and two different programs.

I'm not sure what you plan exactly, but it sounds as it was reasonable 
to keep the tool as desktop independent as possible.

What about using Qt4? You can use it for shell only programming as well 
as for GUI programming (introduced in Qt4), it is independent from KDE 
or Gnome, and it allows you to divide the data from the frontend. 
Finally, it offers a concept similar to "model view controller" and a 
thread save signal/slot concept.

Just my two cents,


ce

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Vladimir G. Ivanovic]

On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 18:29 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote:
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> People,
> 
> 	I'm working on a new portage browser, and I was looking for ideas from USERS, that's why I'm
> posting here.
> 
> 	I've never found a program that would allow me to browse portage categories, then packages, showing
> in one window description, version, etc, etc.

Yes! 
> 

> 	Thus, I'm working on one now, but I want to develop something that will run in console and X, too,
> like suse's yast.
> 
> 	So, I would like to know:
> 
> 	1) do you prefer a console, a GUI, or both?

GUI primarily, but a console for scripting.

> 	2) what additional functionality would you like? (mask/unmask packages, install/remove, emerge
> command generator [much like nmapfe], etc)

mask/unmask would be nice, but it's not absolutely necessary
install/remove is necessary ;-)
emerge command generator might be useful in a scripting application

> 
> 	If you have any idea regarding development (because of the both console and X-compatible
> script/program), please let me know. If not, I may end up writing an API, and two different programs.

Python can handle both scripting and GUI, and of course portage is
written (mostly? completely?) in python, so I'd suggest ... python
(surprise!). I might consider jython if there is a compelling reason to
use Java.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[AJ Spagnoletti]

e suse's yast.
>
>         So, I would like to know:
>
>         1) do you prefer a console, a GUI, or both?

I would like to see something that would support both, but also think
I would get much more use out of something that runs as a GUI


>         2) what additional functionality would you like? (mask/unmask packages, install/remove, emerge
> command generator [much like nmapfe], etc)

I have always found dealing with masked packages to be somewhat
tedious, although straightfoward enough, it would be nice to see the
program deal with masking/unmasking packages as needed.

AJ

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[leszek]

> 	2) what additional functionality would you like? (mask/unmask packages, install/remove, emerge
> command generator [much like nmapfe], etc)
a notification applet which emerge --sync every day in the background
and warn us when there is something to emerge. Something like in ubuntu.


PS: i know i can put emerge --sync in a cron job



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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Jeff Rollin]

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> >
> >         1) do you prefer a console, a GUI, or both?


I would like to suggest a GUI, ncurses (console) functionality, and also
commandline functionality (a la cfdisk/fdisk/sfdisk, but rolled into one)

Jeff.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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b.n. wrote:
> I'd suggest Python too.

Yep, it was definitely the way to go it seems.

> You can write an API and then 2 wrappers:
> - a console-based ncurses one
> - an X-based wxpython one (I recommend wx because it's quite easy to
> program, powerful and it works really well)

Well, this was my idea, too. Cool, we're in sync :)

> I have some Python knowledge and I did some (very elementary) thing with
> wxPython, so if you want I could help development (I guess the thing
> will be free software :D )

Of course! GNU GPL'ed et al.

> I personally think a Synaptic-like GUI would be the best (familiar to
> Debian/Ubuntu users;easy to use)

I have not touched a Debian GNU/Linux system for the last half decade, and taking into account I
started with gnu/linux in late 1994 that's something to say :P

Okey, if anybody has a mailing list server, contact me. And you, bn, send me an email. I'd love to
start this project with you.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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Jonathan Chocron wrote:
> QT4 is a great idea ! However, as I said, it would be great if the tool colud 
> be used in the early stage of an install. That is, if it could be used with 
> just portage and ncurses/slang emerged.

QT4 catches my attention, but as we're going to develop with python, QT4 may still be not that
supported. Au contrair, ncurses and wxGTK is quite supported in python.

I just want to clarify that, in the mid-term view, the tool will NOT be a gentoo system
configuration tool. It could, yes, and we could develop it to have enough modularity, but I don't
want to spend time on that aspect yet.

And now, I leave everyone for dinner. I'm an argentinian parrilla lover, and I have just found a new
place :) (if you can read spanish, check out http://www.buanzo.com.ar/rec/ if you plan on visiting
buenos aires)

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Bennet Gedan]

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Hi Arturo

On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 18:29 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote:
> I've never found a program that would allow me to browse portage 
> categories, then packages, showing in one window description, 
> version, etc, etc.

you do know kuroo [1]?

It's very kde-ish, but (or because of that) does not provide any
functionality in console. It's not the tool i prefer. I used it some
time ago and i have to say it's a very ambitious project. Maybe you
could get some impressions for your own work from their website or even
help in the development of kuroo itself.

Regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[b.n.]

>>
>>	1) do you prefer a console, a GUI, or both?
> 
> 
> GUI primarily, but a console for scripting.

I agree.

>>	2) what additional functionality would you like? (mask/unmask packages, install/remove, emerge
>>command generator [much like nmapfe], etc)
> 
> mask/unmask would be nice, but it's not absolutely necessary
> install/remove is necessary ;-)
> emerge command generator might be useful in a scripting application

Everything you can think about, however I'd find most useful:
- mask/unmask
- install/remove
- list of all installed packages
- use flags for each package + description of what an use flag is doing
- dependencies for each package

>>	If you have any idea regarding development (because of the both console and X-compatible
>>script/program), please let me know. If not, I may end up writing an API, and two different programs.
> 
> Python can handle both scripting and GUI, and of course portage is
> written (mostly? completely?) in python, so I'd suggest ... python

I'd suggest Python too.
You can write an API and then 2 wrappers:
- a console-based ncurses one
- an X-based wxpython one (I recommend wx because it's quite easy to 
program, powerful and it works really well)

I have some Python knowledge and I did some (very elementary) thing with 
wxPython, so if you want I could help development (I guess the thing 
will be free software :D )

I personally think a Synaptic-like GUI would be the best (familiar to 
Debian/Ubuntu users;easy to use)

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Michael Sullivan]

On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 20:15 -0300, Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman wrote:
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> b.n. wrote:
> > I'd suggest Python too.
> 
> Yep, it was definitely the way to go it seems.
> 
> > You can write an API and then 2 wrappers:
> > - a console-based ncurses one
> > - an X-based wxpython one (I recommend wx because it's quite easy to
> > program, powerful and it works really well)
> 
> Well, this was my idea, too. Cool, we're in sync :)
> 
> > I have some Python knowledge and I did some (very elementary) thing with
> > wxPython, so if you want I could help development (I guess the thing
> > will be free software :D )
> 
> Of course! GNU GPL'ed et al.
> 
> > I personally think a Synaptic-like GUI would be the best (familiar to
> > Debian/Ubuntu users;easy to use)
> 
> I have not touched a Debian GNU/Linux system for the last half decade, and taking into account I
> started with gnu/linux in late 1994 that's something to say :P
> 
> Okey, if anybody has a mailing list server, contact me. And you, bn, send me an email. I'd love to
> start this project with you.

I have mailman.  I'll start a mailing list for you on it if you like.
You should be forewarned that my wife and I are moving this weekend, so
there might be a slight disruption in service (perhaps an hour on Friday
if the ISP doesn't screw up)...
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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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Michael Sullivan wrote:
> I have mailman.  I'll start a mailing list for you on it if you like.
> You should be forewarned that my wife and I are moving this weekend, so
> there might be a slight disruption in service (perhaps an hour on Friday
> if the ISP doesn't screw up)...

Don't worry about it. Move in peace! Congratulations!!!!

I'll apply for a sourceforge project. However, I still take suggestions on this matter!

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Petr Kocmid]

On Wednesday 17 May 2006 00:48, leszek wrote:
> > 	2) what additional functionality would you like? (mask/unmask packages,
> > install/remove, emerge command generator [much like nmapfe], etc)
> a notification applet which emerge --sync every day in the background
> and warn us when there is something to emerge. Something like in ubuntu.
> PS: i know i can put emerge --sync in a cron job

You can also put emerge --pretend --update --deep --verbose world 
or
emerge --update --deep --fetchonly world 
in a cron job

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Andrew MacKenzie]

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> >GUI primarily, but a console for scripting.
> I agree.
An ncurses interface would be nice, rather than a 'command line' version.

We already have 'scriptable' tools.

> >mask/unmask would be nice, but it's not absolutely necessary
> >install/remove is necessary ;-)
> >emerge command generator might be useful in a scripting application
> 
> Everything you can think about, however I'd find most useful:
> - mask/unmask
> - install/remove
> - list of all installed packages
> - use flags for each package + description of what an use flag is doing
> - dependencies for each package
Nice list.  I'll add to this.

- List of files in the package
- Size on disk of installed packages
- Installed packages that depend on this package


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RE: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Daevid Vincent]

I think this is a given, but just in case...

It certainly should allow me to do an 'emerge -Davu world' equivallent, and
allow me to then select only the packages (or all or none) to install and of
course their dependencies. 

It should show me the 'blocking' packages (if any), and allow me to easily
unmerge them right there.

It should absolutely be smart enough that if a package fails to compile,
SKIP IT! And move on to the next one. There is nothing more frustrating than
having like 100 packages to install, setting it up to run through the night,
excited to see the new stuff, and then the utter dissapointment to see that
portage shit the bed on the second package and just sat there doing nothing
all night long. GRR. :)  why "emerge --resume --skipfirst" is not the
default exception handling routine for 'emerge' is beyond my comprehension.
'emerge' should at least have a command line option to invoke that!

It should also alert me to all the 'notifications' that are in the
PORTAGE_LOGS for things that I might have to manually do after the packages
are installed.

It should do a revdep-rebuild to make sure all packages are proper.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman [mailto:buanzo@buanzo.com.ar] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 2:29 PM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser
> 
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> People,
> 
> 	I'm working on a new portage browser, and I was looking 
> for ideas from USERS, that's why I'm
> posting here.
> 
> 	I've never found a program that would allow me to 
> browse portage categories, then packages, showing
> in one window description, version, etc, etc.
> 
> 	Thus, I'm working on one now, but I want to develop 
> something that will run in console and X, too,
> like suse's yast.
> 
> 	So, I would like to know:
> 
> 	1) do you prefer a console, a GUI, or both?
> 	2) what additional functionality would you like? 
> (mask/unmask packages, install/remove, emerge
> command generator [much like nmapfe], etc)
> 
> 	If you have any idea regarding development (because of 
> the both console and X-compatible
> script/program), please let me know. If not, I may end up 
> writing an API, and two different programs.
> 
> 	Sincerely,
> 
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> http://vpnmail.buanzo.com.ar
> Consultor en Seguridad Informatica - http://www.buanzo.com.ar
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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Wednesday 17 May 2006 20:47, "Daevid Vincent" <daevid@daevid.com> wrote 
about 'RE: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser':
> It should absolutely be smart enough that if a package fails to compile,
> SKIP IT! And move on to the next one. There is nothing more frustrating
> than having like 100 packages to install, setting it up to run through
> the night, excited to see the new stuff, and then the utter
> dissapointment to see that portage shit the bed on the second package
> and just sat there doing nothing all night long. GRR. :)  why "emerge
> --resume --skipfirst" is not the default exception handling routine for
> 'emerge' is beyond my comprehension. 'emerge' should at least have a
> command line option to invoke that!

Is there some problem with:
emerge -uND world || until emerge --resume --skipfirst; do :; done
?

A more complex version of that is in my nightly update script.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 17 May 2006 22:31:14 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> Is there some problem with:
> emerge -uND world || until emerge --resume --skipfirst; do :; done
> ?

I would add 'emerge -uDNp world' to the end of that, so you can see any
packages that were missed.

> A more complex version of that is in my nightly update script.

Maybe you've already covered that case. Please share :)


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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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Daevid Vincent wrote:
> I think this is a given, but just in case...
> 
> It certainly should allow me to do an 'emerge -Davu world' equivallent, and
> allow me to then select only the packages (or all or none) to install and of
> course their dependencies. 
[...]
> It should do a revdep-rebuild to make sure all packages are proper.


All excellent suggestions!

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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Andrew MacKenzie wrote:
> An ncurses interface would be nice, rather than a 'command line' version.

That's the idea.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Arturo 'Buanzo' Busleiman]

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People, I've opened a pool at the Gentoo Forums for you to vote for the name you like the most, ok?

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-463518-highlight-.html

And with this, I close this thread. Once we have the name, in 15 days time, I'll announce the
mailing list for those interested.

Sincerely,
Buanzo

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Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Thursday 18 May 2006 03:10, Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote 
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] New Portage browser':
> On Wed, 17 May 2006 22:31:14 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > Is there some problem with:
> > emerge -uND world || until emerge --resume --skipfirst; do :; done
> > ?
>
> I would add 'emerge -uDNp world' to the end of that, so you can see any
> packages that were missed.

I don't throw that in, mainly cause I mostly ignore all output for the 
script.  I do usually go and check what I've missed later though.

> > A more complex version of that is in my nightly update script.
>
> Maybe you've already covered that case. Please share :)

It "works", but it's not all I had hoped it would be.  Anyway, it's 
attached so perhaps it could be useful to someone else.

<fine print>
As with any work produced in the US, it is under copyright, even if I don't 
assert it.  Therefore, I hereby release it into the public domain.
</fine print>

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