From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FVUT6-00038B-Lj for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:12:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k3HEC4ic008329; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:12:06 GMT Received: from explorer.cz (mail.explorer.cz [81.0.233.73]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k3HE4qOL008682 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:04:53 GMT Received: (qmail 17726 invoked by uid 64017); 17 Apr 2006 14:04:52 -0000 Received: from Petr.Kocmid@project-bhairava.org by mail by uid 64011 with qmail-scanner-1.22 (avgd: 7.0. spamassassin: 3.0.3. Clear:RC:0(88.101.187.9):SA:0(0.0/4.0):. Processed in 0.191358 secs); 17 Apr 2006 14:04:52 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=4.0 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.0.0.1?) (petr.kocmid@project-bhairava.org@88.101.187.9) by mail.explorer.cz with SMTP; 17 Apr 2006 14:04:52 -0000 From: Petr Kocmid To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Completness of AVR toolset in dev-embedded? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:03:51 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.1 References: <200604170953.45943.Petr.Kocmid@project-bhairava.org> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200604171603.51714.Petr.Kocmid@project-bhairava.org> X-Archives-Salt: f871fe05-5cb5-496b-9f4d-093c0f6c839d X-Archives-Hash: 99b29dceaf2590bcec962acbbf555047 On Monday 17 April 2006 13:48, James wrote: > Petr Kocmid project-bhairava.org> writes: > > I wander, what's the point of having (noncompilable) > > dev-embedded/avr-libc in portage when there is no avr-gcc nor > > avr-binutils? > No good reason for this.... Well, now I found one: one needs to be a clearvoyant to detect that dev-embedded/avr-libc is probably supposed to be used with sys-devel/crossdev toolset generator. However, for now I am quite satisfied better with Ycarus's overlay ebuilds from zugaina.org. > Well, in my experience with Gentoo, what's available in portage, is a > function of what the 'devs' are interested in. Indeed every packages in > portage needs an evangelist to keep it current and correctly patched. It > seems that none of the devs are much interested in firmware, assembler, > (8-16) bit micro-Controllers and many things related to embedded software > development. The answer is to find an embedded person that can 'get > qualified' as a dev thereby supporting the needs of the firmware community, > in my opinion. > > It's a *DAM SHAM* > > Micro-Controllers, state machines and minimal executives are the heart of > where electronics meet computer science. Verily you hit the Truth! As someone who spent my young age coding on mainframes AND building 8-bits, I am quite dissatisfied with fact today's young computer specialists either have no [soldering+assembler] skills or they can't read in any of prolog/lisp/scheme/haskell, or both. It's really causing a major technology slowdown, where are all those servicing robots we in 80's were expecting to have in 2000 at our homes? ;-) Sorry everyone for shifting off topic. -- Petr -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list