Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount

Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount

[hawat.thufir]

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On Tue, 27 Sep 2005, Tamas Sarga wrote:

> From: Tamas Sarga <tamas@wansite.homelinux.net>
> Subject: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount
> Newsgroups: linux.gentoo.user
> 
> Hi,
>
> I've read some docs about mount of USB keys, but I can not figure out
> that if I have
> /dev/sda1       /mnt/usb    auto        noauto,user     0 0
> in my /etc/fstab, then my key would be mounted sync, or async mode?
>
> TIA.
> Cheers,
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thanks!  :)

Now I can mount my mp3 player (gotta get an ogg player).


My fstab, if anyone's wondering:

/dev/hda2	 /boot	 ext2	 defaults		 1 2
/dev/hda3	 none            swap            sw              0 0
/dev/hda4	 /	 ext3	 defaults		 0 1
none        /proc     proc    defaults          0 0
none        /dev/shm  tmpfs   defaults          0 0
/dev/hda1               /mnt/windows            vfat    users,owner,ro,umask=000 0 0
/dev/cdrom              /mnt/cdrom      iso9660         noauto,ro,user 0 0
  /dev/sda1       /mnt/usb    auto        noauto,user     0 0






-Thufir

RE: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount

[Michael Kintzios]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: hawat.thufir@gmail.com [mailto:hawat.thufir@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 27 March 2006 17:29
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount
> 
> My fstab, if anyone's wondering:
>
>   /dev/sda1       /mnt/usb    auto        noauto,user     0 0
 
Shouldn't   "/dev/sda1       /mnt/usb    auto        noauto,user     0
0" also contain async to avoid burning it out?
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Mick


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Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 17:45:33 +0100, Michael Kintzios wrote:

> > My fstab, if anyone's wondering:
> >
> >   /dev/sda1       /mnt/usb    auto        noauto,user     0 0
>  
> Shouldn't   "/dev/sda1       /mnt/usb    auto        noauto,user     0
> 0" also contain async to avoid burning it out?

async is default when mounting via fstab, you can check it with "mount"
after mounting the device. automounters tend to mount sync, to avoid
filesystem damage when unplugging without unmounting. I have the
following in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/storage-policy.fdi to have them
automounted async.

<!-- Use noatime and async options for all hotpluggable or removable volumes smaller than 2GB -->
<match key="volume.size" compare_lt="2147483648">
        <match key="@block.storage_device:storage.hotpluggable" bool="true">
                <merge key="volume.policy.mount_option.sync" type="bool">false</merge>
                <merge key="volume.policy.mount_option.noatime" type="bool">true</merge>
        </match>
        <match key="@block.storage_device:storage.removable" bool="true">
                <merge key="volume.policy.mount_option.sync" type="bool">false</merge>
                <merge key="volume.policy.mount_option.noatime" type="bool">true</merge>
        </match>
</match>


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Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount

[b.n.]

> thanks!  :)
> 
> Now I can mount my mp3 player (gotta get an ogg player).

Do portable, cheap USB-stick ogg players exist?

m.

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Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Monday 27 March 2006 17:08, "b.n." <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote 
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount':
> > Now I can mount my mp3 player (gotta get an ogg player).
>
> Do portable, cheap USB-stick ogg players exist?

Check out the flash players from iRiver.  They play ogg, mp3, and wav, and 
with the proper firmware are accessible as a USB device.  The headphones 
that come with them are a little bit uncomfortable, but good enough 
quality that I could tell the difference between ~140k ogg and ~90k ogg. 
(I always use VBR, so those are average rates.)

They seem to have discontinued ogg support on their HD based players, so be 
careful that the flash player you purchase does support ogg.

Also, files can be deleted and loaded from linux even with the stock 
firmware.

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Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount

[b.n.]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> Check out the flash players from iRiver.  They play ogg, mp3, and wav, and 
> with the proper firmware are accessible as a USB device.  The headphones 
> that come with them are a little bit uncomfortable, but good enough 
> quality that I could tell the difference between ~140k ogg and ~90k ogg. 
> (I always use VBR, so those are average rates.)
> 
> They seem to have discontinued ogg support on their HD based players, so be 
> careful that the flash player you purchase does support ogg.

Thanks! I have a mp3/wmv only flash player I received as a gift but I'd 
like to upgrade it with a 1-gb thing ogg-capable, if possible.
I'll look at iRiver.

> Also, files can be deleted and loaded from linux even with the stock 
> firmware.

I'm a bit confused.
Is the flash player recognized as a simple usb flash drive or what?

m.

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Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

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On Monday 27 March 2006 18:11, "b.n." <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote 
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] USB sync/async mount':
> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > Check out the flash players from iRiver.  They play ogg, mp3, and wav,
> > and with the proper firmware are accessible as a USB device.
>
> Thanks! I have a mp3/wmv only flash player I received as a gift but I'd
> like to upgrade it with a 1-gb thing ogg-capable, if possible.
> I'll look at iRiver.

I'm very happy with my iRiver 799-FP (1G).

> > Also, files can be deleted and loaded from linux even with the stock
> > firmware.
>
> I'm a bit confused.
> Is the flash player recognized as a simple usb flash drive or what?

The stock firmware does not show up as a USB block device under either 
Windows or Linux.  There is an official USB firmware that you can download 
and install that makes it act like a standard USB block device under both 
operating systems.  This has the side effect of rendering the 
(Windows-only) software they provide for managing the device unusable, but 
you don't really need it anymore since it's just DnD to load and unload 
the thing.

They don't really publicize the USB firmware; in fact, I had to download it 
from a non-US site.  I think it might has something to do with the 
draconian US copyright laws or pressure from the RIAA, but I don't really 
know.

Personally, I ended up installing a modified firmware that extends the 
range of OGG playback and voice recording bitrates.  It's a modified 
version of the USB firmware, so I got access to the device as a USB block 
device for free.

Going back to the stock firmware -- there's a linux utility that provides 
command-line features roughly equivalent to the (Windows-only) software 
they provide to manipulate the device.  So, you'll be able to load/delete 
files from Linux and Windows no matter what firmware you are using.

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it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
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[gentoo-user] OT: iRiver players (was: USB sync/async mount)

[Matthias Bethke]

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Hi Boyd,
on Monday, 2006-03-27 at 16:51:00, you wrote:
> The stock firmware does not show up as a USB block device under either 
> Windows or Linux.  There is an official USB firmware that you can download 
> and install that makes it act like a standard USB block device under both 
> operating systems.

I tried it on my iFP-895 and didn't like it at all. The proprietary
protocol isn't exactly speedy but with the ifp driver for Linux it's OK,
does some 700-800 kB/s on my USB 1.1. The USB Mass Storage
implementation peaks at about 50 kB/s. For a 512 MB player that's a tad
slow...

cheers!
	Matthias
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