Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Justin Krejci]

On Tuesday 14 March 2006 01:02 pm, Goran Maksimovi? wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who could
> write me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need
> desktop system with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and
> burning, playing DVDs and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and
> testing of Apache server, mail server, MySQL.
>
> Bye
>
> Goran

Try reading this page, it is quite nice.
http://www.gentoo-portage.com/USE
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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Goran Maksimović]

Read it! But with that you didn't still answer my question :).

Bye

Goran

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From: Justin Krejci [mailto:jus@krytosvirus.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:51 AM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

On Tuesday 14 March 2006 01:02 pm, Goran Maksimovi? wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who could
> write me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need
> desktop system with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and
> burning, playing DVDs and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and
> testing of Apache server, mail server, MySQL.
>
> Bye
>
> Goran

Try reading this page, it is quite nice.
http://www.gentoo-portage.com/USE
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:33:16 +0100, Goran Maksimović wrote:

> Read it! But with that you didn't still answer my question :).

But he did provide you with the means to answer the question yourself.
You are the only one who really knows what you want from your system, now
you know how to get it.

The default USE flags are reasonable for general desktop use, fine tuning
is your choice, not mine or anyone else's. USE settings are not
permanent, you can change them as often as you feel the need, so read
the docs and experiment.


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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Goran Maksimović]

Hi!

If you read my first post about USE flags I wanted some recommendations and
not links to sites where USE flags are explained. I don't know why you think
that if you don't fine tune your system that nobody does that also. Finally
thanks to everyone who have answered my question but really answered my
question with their recommendations and suggestions.

Bye

Goran

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From: Neil Bothwick [mailto:neil@digimed.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 5:12 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 08:33:16 +0100, Goran Maksimović wrote:

> Read it! But with that you didn't still answer my question :).

But he did provide you with the means to answer the question yourself.
You are the only one who really knows what you want from your system, now
you know how to get it.

The default USE flags are reasonable for general desktop use, fine tuning
is your choice, not mine or anyone else's. USE settings are not
permanent, you can change them as often as you feel the need, so read
the docs and experiment.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 3/15/06, Goran Maksimović <goran.maksimovic@ri.htnet.hr> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> If you read my first post about USE flags I wanted some recommendations and
> not links to sites where USE flags are explained. I don't know why you think

With all due respect, you're lazy...

> that if you don't fine tune your system that nobody does that also. Finally

We CAN'T suggest anything because it all depends on what YOU will do,
the flags suggested won't "fine tune" your system because you are the
only one able to do that...

My cristal ball still can't predict what programs you'll use, what
packages you'll install and how you'll want them configured. You are
the one in control, so start learning HOW to control it...

The only good answers you got were the ones that pointed you on
solving your own problem while LEARNING how to do it, wich in fact is
what anyone would do in all the time between your first post and now.
C'mon, if you write programs the way you ask questions you'll only
finish one the day someone post you the complete code.

> thanks to everyone who have answered my question but really answered my
> question with their recommendations and suggestions.

The best recommendation: read the docs, the best suggestion: read them again.

Sorry for this, but I hate when people:
1) do not value the time and effort of people answering them.
2) keep asking to be spoon-feeded with information instead of learning
how to cook a meal.

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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Goran Maksimović]

Hi!

I said what will I do on my system and I value the answers of people who
really answered what I have asked. May be I am lazy but why the hack could I
not use some experience of other Gentoo users. As you could see to some
people it had not been a problem to share their experience on USE flags and
I presume that they also haven't got a cristal ball so you are the first who
mentiones that :).

Bye

Goran

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From: Daniel da Veiga [mailto:danieldaveiga@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 9:49 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

On 3/15/06, Goran Maksimović <goran.maksimovic@ri.htnet.hr> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> If you read my first post about USE flags I wanted some recommendations
and
> not links to sites where USE flags are explained. I don't know why you
think

With all due respect, you're lazy...

> that if you don't fine tune your system that nobody does that also.
Finally

We CAN'T suggest anything because it all depends on what YOU will do,
the flags suggested won't "fine tune" your system because you are the
only one able to do that...

My cristal ball still can't predict what programs you'll use, what
packages you'll install and how you'll want them configured. You are
the one in control, so start learning HOW to control it...

The only good answers you got were the ones that pointed you on
solving your own problem while LEARNING how to do it, wich in fact is
what anyone would do in all the time between your first post and now.
C'mon, if you write programs the way you ask questions you'll only
finish one the day someone post you the complete code.

> thanks to everyone who have answered my question but really answered my
> question with their recommendations and suggestions.

The best recommendation: read the docs, the best suggestion: read them
again.

Sorry for this, but I hate when people:
1) do not value the time and effort of people answering them.
2) keep asking to be spoon-feeded with information instead of learning
how to cook a meal.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Holly Bostick]

Goran Maksimović schreef:
> Hi!
> 
> I said what will I do on my system and I value the answers of people
> who really answered what I have asked.

Great, happy to hear it.

Congratulations to our lucky winners, good luck in the future to
everyone else, and can we please move on now? The 'discussion' would
seem to be complete.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:18:25 +0100, Goran Maksimović wrote:

> If you read my first post about USE flags I wanted some recommendations
> and not links to sites where USE flags are explained. 

Did you read the second paragraph of my post before replying to it?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Holly Bostick]

Neil Bothwick schreef:
> On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 21:18:25 +0100, Goran Maksimović wrote:
> 
>> If you read my first post about USE flags I wanted some
>> recommendations and not links to sites where USE flags are
>> explained.
> 
> Did you read the second paragraph of my post before replying to it?
> 
I think he read it, but didn't understand it... after all, anybody who
would say something like

> Goran Maksimović schreef:
> 
> I don't know why you think that if you don't fine tune your system

clearly doesn't know you from around here (or anywhere else :-) ) --
even a little bit. I'd LOL if I wasn't having a 'thing' today where I
just don't want to watch half the list (including me, actually) come out
swinging on somebody who's .... missing the point, shall we say, since
apparently none of our attempts to explain why what Goran wants us to do
is not really possible are getting through.

But hey, have a good time, y'all. It's way past my bedtime anyway.

:-D

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Justin Krejci]

On Wednesday 15 March 2006 01:33 am, Goran Maksimović wrote:
> Read it! But with that you didn't still answer my question :).
>
> Bye
>
> Goran
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Krejci [mailto:jus@krytosvirus.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:51 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags
>
> On Tuesday 14 March 2006 01:02 pm, Goran Maksimovi? wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who
> > could write me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I
> > need desktop system with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD
> > ripping and burning, playing DVDs and DivX movies, MP3. I will do
> > programming and testing of Apache server, mail server, MySQL.
> >
> > Bye
> >
> > Goran
>
> Try reading this page, it is quite nice.
> http://www.gentoo-portage.com/USE
> --

You could probably not use any USE flags and just install applications to do 
the things you need, mysql, apache, kde, kmplayer, etc. If you think you need 
some extra functionality from a specific program, you then should add it. No 
one but you will know what you need to add. You can also change your USE 
flags around later and re-install something if you need to.

I would do something like this to see what you think you might need

emerge -vp kde kmplayer xmms apache mysql k3b (etc etc)

This will give you all of the USE flags available for each program and which 
are included by default with the package. Then set them accordingly and rerun 
the emerge without the p option.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Goran Maksimoviæ]

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Thanks! I didn't only understand something about per packages which you mentioned in your
mail. 
One more thing I installed Gentoo 2006.0 with LiveCD and with some GRP packages which were

on LiveCD should this fact be a problem when I change configuration of USE flags? And
finally 
the programming languages which I will use is C, C++, php so which flags are usful to
include?

Bye

MAX

> On 2006-03-14 16:02, Goran Maksimovi� uttered these thoughts:
> > I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who
coul> d write
> > me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need desktop
s> ystem
> > with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and burning,
playi> ng DVDs
> > and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and testing of Apache
server,>  mail
> > server, MySQL.
> 
> Best tip I can give you is going through /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc
> and pick the ones you think you need...
> 
> From the requirements you laid down above, a start would probably be:
> USE="kde -gnome -gtk gtk2 mysql apache2 dvd dvdr xvid mp3"
> 
> Then add whatever programming-languages you use in there too. F.ex.
> ruby, python, perl. Although you might want to add these per package
> instead, as they might just add scripting capabilities for certain
> applications. 
> 
> For more information about masking, package-specific use-flags and so
> on:
> 
> $ man portage
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Patrick Börjesson
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 3/14/06, Goran Maksimoviæ <goran.maksimovic@ri.htnet.hr> wrote:
> Thanks! I didn't only understand something about per packages which you mentioned in your
> mail.

Always, when you are going to emerge some app, do an "emerge -pv
<app>" and see its flags, if there's one you want that is not enabled
(it'll appear with a minus before it), add it to the file
/etc/portage/packages.use, like this:

net-print/cups samba
app-emulation/qemu-softmmu kqemu

This means that whenever I reemerge or update cups it will always get
samba, and whenever I update qemu, it will get kqemu too.

You can do it for your whole system, using "emerge -epv world" will
cause emerge to output your entire package listing with all the flags
they are using, so you can check each one and add the flags that you
may want to change to packages.use to make it permanent. I recommend
doying it right after installing and updating portage, because after a
while this list grows A LOT (just did it in my system and got a few
hundred packages).

> One more thing I installed Gentoo 2006.0 with LiveCD and with some GRP packages which were
>
> on LiveCD should this fact be a problem when I change configuration of USE flags? And

Whenever you change your flags (big changes or some useful flag you
want enabled all around) or want to see what new flags are available,
you do an "emerge -uDN world -pv" and see what packages have changed,
the yellow flags are new, the green flags have changed. (if I'm not
mistaken). Really, this is all on man emerge...

> finally
> the programming languages which I will use is C, C++, php so which flags are usful to
> include?
>

Depends on the package... Check uses per package...

> Bye
>
> MAX
>
> > On 2006-03-14 16:02, Goran Maksimovi� uttered these thoughts:
> > > I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who
> coul> d write
> > > me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need desktop
> s> ystem
> > > with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and burning,
> playi> ng DVDs
> > > and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and testing of Apache
> server,>  mail
> > > server, MySQL.
> >
> > Best tip I can give you is going through /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc
> > and pick the ones you think you need...
> >
> > From the requirements you laid down above, a start would probably be:
> > USE="kde -gnome -gtk gtk2 mysql apache2 dvd dvdr xvid mp3"
> >
> > Then add whatever programming-languages you use in there too. F.ex.
> > ruby, python, perl. Although you might want to add these per package
> > instead, as they might just add scripting capabilities for certain
> > applications.
> >
> > For more information about masking, package-specific use-flags and so
> > on:
> >
> > $ man portage
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Patrick Börjesson
> >
> > --
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> > \  /\   and proprietary formats.
> >
>
>
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Alexander Skwar]

Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> On 3/14/06, Goran Maksimoviæ <goran.maksimovic@ri.htnet.hr> wrote:
>> Thanks! I didn't only understand something about per packages which you mentioned in your
>> mail.
> 
> Always, when you are going to emerge some app, do an "emerge -pv
> <app>" and see its flags,

Correct. But I'd like to add, to *ALWAYS* add a -t/--tree
to it, so that it's relatively easy to see the dependency
tree - with -t, it's overly easy to see why a certain package
is being pulled.




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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Holly Bostick]

Goran � schreef:
> Thanks! I didn't only understand something about per packages which 
> you mentioned in your mail.

USE flags can be (and of course, are) set globally in /etc/make.conf
(and /usr/portage/profiles/use.defaults), but USE flags can also be
enabled or disabled for a particular package only using
/etc/portage/package.use.

You might do this for a number of reasons:

1) Every USE flag does not apply to every package, and some local USE
flags only apply to one specific package. It keeps your /etc/make.conf
neater and easier to read if it only contains the "really" global USE
flags. Some of us care about that kind of thing :-) .

But the main reason you'd use /etc/portage/package.use is because

2) You have a globally-enabled (or -disabled) USE flag that you want to
disable (or enable), for a particular package.

Example (from my own config):

USE="*-kde* -arts -eds -esd -apache -apache2 16bit 3dnow aalib acpi -apm
audiofile bash-completion -berkdb bigger-fonts bitmap-fonts bmp bzip2
caps cairo cddb cdr curl dbus dga directfb dri dts dv dvd exif expat
extrafilters fam fbcon ffmpeg firefox flac font-server gamin ggi
gimpprint glut gtkhtml gnutls -gstreamer gstreamer10 guile hal iconv idn
imagemagick inkjar inotify -ipv6 jack *java* jikes kdeenablefinal
kdexdeltas lcms ldap libcaca libnotify lua maildir math mmx mng
-mozilla mpi nas nfs nptl nptlonly offensive openexr -pam pcre pic
portaudio povray *samba* scanner slang sndfile socks5 sqlite sse -sse2
svg svga tcltk tetex theora threads tiff toolbar truetype-fonts
type1-fonts unicode usb v4l wmf xml xprint Xaw3d v4l v4l2 xvid yv12"

As you can hopefully see, the "java" and "samba" flags are enabled
(globally), and the "kde" flag is disabled (globally). You can't see it
here, but the default profile I'm using also disables the "doc" USE flag
(which is extra documentation, not man pages and the like), as well as
the "symlink" USE flag (which automatically re-targets the
/usr/src/linux symlink when a new kernel source is installed.

Now, the "java" USE flag is enabled globally, and it is a valid USE flag for
OpenOffice, but I don't want it enabled for OpenOffice, because I don't
need for OO.o to use Java, and it slows an already-slow application down.

As for "doc", well, I have Imagemagick installed, and it's very complex,
so I want the extra documentation, but generally, I don't need it;
--help and man pages are usually good enough.

As for "samba", I don't want Midnight Commander to have samba support,
because if I'm using mc that extensively, my system is probably borked
somehow (hey, I'm a GUI kinda girl, as great as mc is), or if somebody
has compromised the system and has managed remote command-line access to
mc, at least they can't just go right to the network shares. In either
case, I want to limit access to network shares to try and minimize the
ability to do damage to them. (Yes, I know it's not massively
protective and perhaps not even effective, but at least I care enough to
try-- and since Gentoo gives me the option, I took it ;-) .)

As for "kde", well I use it extremely rarely, but I want the OpenOffice
to be correctly integrated with the environment if I do ever have to log
into KDE rather than my preferred DE (KDE is my fallback DE of last
X-resort, and it's much more likely that I'll need to print out a cv or
something during a computer emergency that resulted in my having to use
my last X-based fallback than that I'll have to read my mail-- that can
wait, or I'll use webmail-- which is why you'll see that my fallback
mail-client does not have kde support).

So, in /etc/portage/package.use I have the following lines (among others):

app-misc/mc 7zip -X -samba
app-office/openoffice-bin kde -java
media-gfx/imagemagick fpx inkjar plugin doc
=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.15-r7 symlink


Thus, when I do an emerge involving those packages :

 emerge -pv openoffice-bin mc imagemagick mozilla-firefox
kdebase-kioslaves sylpheed-claws =sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.15-r7
=sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.15-r5

 (additional packages to show use of the default settings)

|>>> cfg-update-1.8.0-r3 : Building checksum index... (takes a few
seconds)  done!

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild   R   ] app-office/openoffice-bin-2.0.2  USE="gnome -java" 0 kB
[ebuild   R   ] app-misc/mc-4.6.0-r14  USE="7zip gpm ncurses nls slang
unicode -X -pam -samba" 49 kB
[ebuild   R   ] media-gfx/imagemagick-6.2.6.0  USE="X bzip2 doc fpx jpeg
lcms mpeg perl png tiff truetype wmf xml2 zlib -graphviz -gs -jbig
-minimal -nocxx" 0 kB
[ebuild   R   ] www-client/mozilla-firefox-1.5.0.1-r2  USE="gnome java
xprint -debug -ipv6 -mozdevelop -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.1  USE="hal
kdeenablefinal kdexdeltas ldap openexr samba -arts -debug -xinerama" 0 kB
[ebuild   R   ] mail-client/sylpheed-claws-2.0.0  USE="clamav crypt
dillo gnome ldap spamassassin spell ssl -doc -imap -ipv6 -kde -pda
-xface" 0 kB
[ebuild   R   ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.15-r7  USE="symlink -build
-doc" 0 kB
[ebuild   R   ] sys-kernel/gentoo-sources-2.6.15-r5  USE="-build -doc
-symlink" 0 kB


So firefox is compiled is compiled with java support but openoffice-bin
does not have java support; kdebase-kioslaves has samba support (so I
can connect to network shares in konqueror or, more likely, krusader),
but mc does not; imagemagick will install its docs but sylpheed-claws
will not; openoffice-bin has kde support but sylpheed-claws does not. In
fact, you may notice that Imagemagick has X support, but midnight
commander does not. As for the kernels, I had 2.6.15-r7 (specifically)
change the symlink during emerge because I was going to change my video
card later that day, so I knew I was going to compile that kernel
immediately (so I could install support for the replacement card, then
shut down and install it), but normally it might be hours or days later
after the source is installed before I actually compile and install a new
kernel, and since I have several packages that compile against the
kernel source, I usually leave the link disabled and change it manually
when I get around to it, then just run module-rebuild afterwards. Not
that -r7 kernel, though, on that particular day; that particular kernel
upgrade needed special treatment (hence the version atom in the
package.use line), because the conditions that day were different, for me.

This is  what "customization" means, in Gentoo. This is *my* system, not
my boyfriend's, or my (future) mother-in-law's, and certainly not some
"average user's". *Mine*. And it's customized, by me, to my specific and
personal needs for it. (Can you see the fearsome light of pride in my
eyes? Thank you, Gentoo devs, for this; couldn't have done it without
you :-D .)

The point being that you can customize the operation of your system,
what it does, and how it does it, down to almost the very smallest
detail, based upon who you are and how you use the system, and
per-package USE flags are part of that.

But it does mean that you need to know exactly how you do use the system
(know thyself), and know how to control it (read the docs-- man portage
is a good place to start).

Hope this helps,
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[gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Goran Maksimoviæ]

Hi!

I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who could write
me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need desktop system
with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and burning, playing DVDs
and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and testing of Apache server, mail
server, MySQL.

Bye

Goran

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Patrick Börjesson]

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On 2006-03-14 16:02, Goran Maksimovi� uttered these thoughts:
> I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who could write
> me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need desktop system
> with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and burning, playing DVDs
> and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and testing of Apache server, mail
> server, MySQL.

Best tip I can give you is going through /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc
and pick the ones you think you need...

From the requirements you laid down above, a start would probably be:
USE="kde -gnome -gtk gtk2 mysql apache2 dvd dvdr xvid mp3"

Then add whatever programming-languages you use in there too. F.ex.
ruby, python, perl. Although you might want to add these per package
instead, as they might just add scripting capabilities for certain
applications. 

For more information about masking, package-specific use-flags and so
on:

$ man portage


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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Holly Bostick]

Goran � schreef:
> Hi!
> 
> I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who 
> could write me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? 
> I need desktop system with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD 
> ripping and burning, playing DVDs and DivX movies, MP3. I will do 
> programming and testing of Apache server, mail server, MySQL.
> 

Apologies in advance; this is likely to be a rather testy response.
Normally I'm more patient and polite.

The most likely reason that you haven't gotten the response you're
looking for (though you did get a list of suggestions from Richard Fish,
among others)-- or at least the reason that I didn't respond-- is
because USE flags are really very relative to the programs you're
installing, and without knowing that (which is, for us, /waaaay/ too
much information, so we don't *want* to know), it's fairly impossible to
give a complete list of the USE flags you specifically should use for
the use that you specifically are going to put your system to.

Furthermore, in the five days since the last response in your previous
thread, you could have read /usr/portage/profiles/use.desc and
/usr/portage/profiles/use.local.desc (not to mention
http://www.gentoo.org/dyn/use-index.xml ) any number of times and
figured this out for yourself-- which you have to do anyway (figure it
out for yourself, I mean).

It's your system. You are in control. That means you have to know what
you're doing, and to know what you're doing, you have to know what you
want-- specifically-- and how to make the system do what you
specifically want it to do (which means read the docs provided to tell
you how to make the system do what you want).

Heck, the longest part of a Gentoo install for me is the two hours I
spend reading these docs and setting up my USE flags (obviously,
compiling things takes more time, but I don't have to sit there and pay
attention for that).

I mean, really, we just can't know what you need. Fine, you're not going
to use GNOME but KDE, so I'm sure that you've figured by now that you
need -gnome and +kde. What about GTK (or GTK2)? Are you going to use
Firefox, Mozilla, or neither? Abiword? OpenOffice? /Evolution/? These are
GTK applications (though not necessarily GNOME applications, with the
exeption of Evolution), so they will need GTK support-- which they'll
get automatically without reference to USE flags.... but what about
their dependencies (which may need to be compiled +gtk or +gtk2, which
may then cause the app to bug out if you've compiled the dependencies
without such support, because you thought "gtk=gnome and I don't want
GNOME"). Not to mention that some of these apps spawn USE flags of their
own, and that may not always be what you want.

Examples:

Lots and lots of "unaffiliated" apps use web browser support. There are
separate USE flags for firefox and mozilla, but in a few rare cases, the
mozilla USE flag covers Firefox as well. If you plan to install Liferea
(the RSS news reader) you'll need to know which one of those two
browsers you're planning to use, because enabling both flags would mean
that one of those browsers is going to be installed unnecessarily-- and
they both take a pretty long time to compile.

Are you going to upgrade/try out Xorg 7? If we don't know your video
card, or whether you want all the wizbang possible (evdev, composite) or
whether you do or don't have a joystick/gamepad, how are we supposed to
tell you what you should put in VIDEO_CARDS and INPUT_DEVICES?

You're going to "do programming and testing of Apache server, mail
server, MySQL". Which apache? 1 or 2? Which mail server? Just because
you're testing an Apache server, does that mean that any install of
subversion or CVS that you might perform must also be compiled with
apache(1/2) support? Maybe you don't want that, so how are we supposed
to say "oh, just enable it globally"?

I could go on like this forever, but hopefully you get the point.

The reason why there is a USE= line in /etc/make.conf, in addition to
default USE flags being set by /usr/portage/profiles/use.default, in
addition to possible USE flag modifications from
/etc/portage/package.use, as well as fairly copious documentation about
what each USE flag generally indicates, as well as a --verbose flag in
Portage to allow you to see what USE flags are in use before compiling,
is because it's *your* system; its customization *is up to you.* No one
but you is in a position to know that you need java support for your web
browser, but you don't need it for OpenOffice.org.
We can't say, "enable it globally," or "disable it globally," because
*we have no way of knowing what you need your system to be capable of*
*when you sit down in front of it*. You say, "DVD ripping"-- I say,
"Ripping to what"? Do you need xvid/quicktime/ogg/theora support when you
rip these DVDs? Maybe you do, maybe you don't-- but I have no way of
knowing that, because I don't know what you need the final files to be
capable of; only you do.

So please sit down, and read the docs about the USE flags, then take
your best guess. Use emerge --pretend (or --ask) --verbose *religiously*
to see how good your best guess was, and refine it for individual
packages using /etc/portage/package.use.

But don't ask us for the impossible (to tell you exactly what flags to
use) and expect us to be able to magically be right. If we could do
that, the devs wouldn't need to give you the ability to customize in the
first place, and we could just be a nice binary distro like <insert your
favorite binary distro here>.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Richard Fish]

On 3/14/06, Goran Maksimoviæ <goran.maksimovic@ri.htnet.hr> wrote:
> I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who could write
> me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need desktop system
> with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and burning, playing DVDs
> and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and testing of Apache server, mail
> server, MySQL.

What was wrong with the USE flags I recommended?

-Richard

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RE: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Goran Maksimović]

Hi!

What did you recommend? Can you repeat that?

Bye

Goran

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Of Richard Fish
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 5:45 PM
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

On 3/14/06, Goran Maksimoviæ <goran.maksimovic@ri.htnet.hr> wrote:
> I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who could
write
> me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need desktop
system
> with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and burning,
playing DVDs
> and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and testing of Apache server,
mail
> server, MySQL.

What was wrong with the USE flags I recommended?

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Richard Fish]

On 3/15/06, Goran Maksimović <goran.maksimovic@ri.htnet.hr> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> What did you recommend? Can you repeat that?

Or you could see the mail list archives:
http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/cutoff=156279

For the "other flags per package", you have to decide on this.  You
will obviously want apache, php, and mysql installed.  But
dev-lang/php has dozens of possible USE flags, and while some of them
you obviously will want (+mysql, +apache), nobody here is going to be
able to tell you whether you need/want USE=spell with php.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Daniel da Veiga]

On 3/14/06, Goran Maksimoviæ <goran.maksimovic@ri.htnet.hr> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who could write
> me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need desktop system
> with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and burning, playing DVDs
> and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and testing of Apache server, mail
> server, MySQL.
>

I'll just second Holly's email. In your previous thread most of us
even had the trouble of typing all the process of building a USE="" at
make.conf and package.use with all needed commands, c'mon.

You are kinda mocking at us when you double an already answered
thread, you got yourself almost a "Tutorial on choosing your USE
flags", and instead of following it, you ask again?!

So, go and read the docs...

PS: Don't get me wrong, I just love to RTFineM, and encourage people
to do the same.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo USE flags

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Tuesday 14 March 2006 15:02, Goran Maksimoviæ wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have already asked this but I will ask again. I am looking for who could
> write me a list of USE flags to setup in make.conf, so anyone? I need
> desktop system with KDE and not GNOME, support for DVD and CD ripping and
> burning, playing DVDs and DivX movies, MP3. I will do programming and
> testing of Apache server, mail server, MySQL.

install ufed

start ufed as root

work the whole list down and read the descriptions, repeat, than you are ready 
to go.

+kde -gnome +qt +mysql +mad +lame +apache +dvd +dvdr +cdr are some, you'll 
need.

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