[gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

I am trying to move my system over to modular X, but I'm having a few 
troubles.  There are 4 packages that don't seem like they should be 
bringing in virtual/x11-6.8, but they are.

Also, it's really confusing trying to figure out /why/ they are bringing in 
virtual-x11.  emerge -pvt is giving confusing results; basically saying 
that virtual-x11 is coming in because of packages which don't even have an 
optional dependency on X. :(  I tried using equery g, but that actually 
says the packages I'm trying to bring in /won't/ need virtual/x11-6.8.

Anyway, I've got an emerge capture and the relevant equery output, I'd love 
it if someone could look at them and tell me what I need to do to complete 
the migration.  I didn't want to post them to the list because they are 
about 38k...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Nagatoro]

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> I am trying to move my system over to modular X, but I'm having a few 
> troubles.  There are 4 packages that don't seem like they should be 
> bringing in virtual/x11-6.8, but they are.

You could try and look at the DEPEND/RDEPEND of those ebuild's too see
if any have virtual-x11 as a dep.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Thursday 09 March 2006 01:53, Nagatoro <nagatoro@gmail.com> wrote about 
'Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)':
> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > I am trying to move my system over to modular X, but I'm having a few
> > troubles.  There are 4 packages that don't seem like they should be
> > bringing in virtual/x11-6.8, but they are.
>
> You could try and look at the DEPEND/RDEPEND of those ebuild's too see
> if any have virtual-x11 as a dep.

Shouldn't equery g do this?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Bo Andresen]

On Thursday 09 March 2006 07:49, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> Also, it's really confusing trying to figure out /why/ they are bringing in
> virtual-x11.  emerge -pvt is giving confusing results; basically saying
> that virtual-x11 is coming in because of packages which don't even have an
> optional dependency on X. :(  I tried using equery g, but that actually
> says the packages I'm trying to bring in /won't/ need virtual/x11-6.8.

AFAICT equery detects compile time dependencies (DEPEND) and run time 
depencies (RDEPEND) but not post dependencies (PDEPEND). So I think you need 
to look for PDEPEND in the ebuilds manually.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Cláudio Henrique]

have you check this tutorial: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Modular_Xorg ?

On 3/9/06, Bo Andresen <bo.andresen@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday 09 March 2006 07:49, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > Also, it's really confusing trying to figure out /why/ they are bringing in
> > virtual-x11.  emerge -pvt is giving confusing results; basically saying
> > that virtual-x11 is coming in because of packages which don't even have an
> > optional dependency on X. :(  I tried using equery g, but that actually
> > says the packages I'm trying to bring in /won't/ need virtual/x11-6.8.
>
> AFAICT equery detects compile time dependencies (DEPEND) and run time
> depencies (RDEPEND) but not post dependencies (PDEPEND). So I think you need
> to look for PDEPEND in the ebuilds manually.
>
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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Thursday 09 March 2006 14:28, "Cláudio Henrique" 
<rapaduraatomica@gmail.com> wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to 
xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)':
> have you check this tutorial: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Modular_Xorg
> ?

No, I was working from the Official Gentoo documentation linked from a 
Gentoo Weekly Newletter a week or so back.  I'll look though this 
document.  Thanks.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Thursday 09 March 2006 03:28, Bo Andresen <bo.andresen@gmail.com> wrote 
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)':
> On Thursday 09 March 2006 07:49, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> > emerge -pvt is giving confusing results;
> > basically saying that virtual-x11 is coming in because of packages
> > which don't even have an optional dependency on X. :(  I tried using
> > equery g, but that actually says the packages I'm trying to bring in
> > /won't/ need virtual/x11-6.8.
>
> AFAICT equery detects compile time dependencies (DEPEND) and run time
> depencies (RDEPEND) but not post dependencies (PDEPEND). So I think you
> need to look for PDEPEND in the ebuilds manually.

This, I did not know.  I will look into it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Paul Varner]

On Thu, 2006-03-09 at 19:31 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Thursday 09 March 2006 03:28, Bo Andresen <bo.andresen@gmail.com> wrote 
> about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)':
> >
> > AFAICT equery detects compile time dependencies (DEPEND) and run time
> > depencies (RDEPEND) but not post dependencies (PDEPEND). So I think you
> > need to look for PDEPEND in the ebuilds manually.
> 
> This, I did not know.  I will look into it.

equery in gentoolkit-0.2.2_pre3 (which was just released) does look at
PDEPENDS.

Regards,
Paul
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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Thursday 09 March 2006 00:49, "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." 
<bss03@volumehost.net> wrote about '[gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 
(Modular X)':
> I am trying to move my system over to modular X, but I'm having a few
> troubles.  There are 4 packages that don't seem like they should be
> bringing in virtual/x11-6.8, but they are.

A couple of days and a couple of syncs later and the problem is completely 
gone.  NB: Gentoo developers >ROCK<!  emerge -avtuND does not try to bring 
in virtual/x11-6.8.  Now, to try and trim down my package.unmask a 
little. :/

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Martins Steinbergs]

On Saturday 11 March 2006 11:11, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Thursday 09 March 2006 00:49, "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr."
> <bss03@volumehost.net> wrote about '[gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0
>
> (Modular X)':
> > I am trying to move my system over to modular X, but I'm having a few
> > troubles.  There are 4 packages that don't seem like they should be
> > bringing in virtual/x11-6.8, but they are.
>
> A couple of days and a couple of syncs later and the problem is completely
> gone.  NB: Gentoo developers >ROCK<!  emerge -avtuND does not try to bring
> in virtual/x11-6.8.  Now, to try and trim down my package.unmask a
> little. :/

Hi,

yesterday i did move to xorg-x11-7 , generally all seems Ok, just some 
observations:

xorg.conf generated with 'X -configure' as root is bad if I'm change driver to 
fglrx, cant say yet what's wrong, xserver loads but monitor turns off without 
option get back to console. xorgconfigure generated conf file is Ok.

and most annoying change is with KDE settings, some weird fonts i can fix. but 
new way that every new window starts in background doesnt suit me very much, 
can somebody point me where to fix it?


martins
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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Saturday 11 March 2006 04:19, Martins Steinbergs <mar@ml.lv> wrote about 
'Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)':
> xorg.conf generated with 'X -configure' as root is bad if I'm change
> driver to fglrx, cant say yet what's wrong, xserver loads but monitor
> turns off without option get back to console. xorgconfigure generated
> conf file is Ok.

I use nvidia and had to recompile nvidia-glx, but after that my 
(hand-crafted) configuration works fine.

> and most annoying change is with KDE settings,
> new way that every new window starts in background doesnt suit 
> me very much, can somebody point me where to fix it?

I noticed that as well, but I haven't figure out how to change it either.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Rumen Yotov]

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Hi,
On Sunday 12 March 2006 06:51, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Saturday 11 March 2006 04:19, Martins Steinbergs <mar@ml.lv> wrote about
>
> 'Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)':
> > xorg.conf generated with 'X -configure' as root is bad if I'm change
> > driver to fglrx, cant say yet what's wrong, xserver loads but monitor
> > turns off without option get back to console. xorgconfigure generated
> > conf file is Ok.
>
> I use nvidia and had to recompile nvidia-glx, but after that my
> (hand-crafted) configuration works fine.
>
Same for me, binary nvidia drivers work with Xorg-7.
> > and most annoying change is with KDE settings,
> > new way that every new window starts in background doesnt suit
> > me very much, can somebody point me where to fix it?
>
> I noticed that as well, but I haven't figure out how to change it either.
>
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> it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
> clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
> -- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh
Another thing (issue) is with virtual/x11.
Had to put "virtual/x11-6.8" in package.provided to be able to emerge again.
Rumen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Sunday 12 March 2006 01:45, Rumen Yotov <rumen@qrypto.org> wrote about 
'Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)':
> Another thing (issue) is with virtual/x11.
> Had to put "virtual/x11-6.8" in package.provided to be able to emerge
> again. Rumen

That's a work around for the transitional period while not all the ebuild 
support xorg 7.  However, I haven't need to use this work around yet, and 
I have /plently/ of applications installed that require X, albeit 
applications a lot of users will have installed.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Moving to xorg-x11-7.0 (Modular X)

[Martins Steinbergs]

On Sunday 12 March 2006 06:51, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Saturday 11 March 2006 04:19, Martins Steinbergs <mar@ml.lv> wrote about
>
> > and most annoying change is with KDE settings,
> > new way that every new window starts in background doesnt suit
> > me very much, can somebody point me where to fix it?
>
> I noticed that as well, but I haven't figure out how to change it either.

tried to tweak settings and finaly created new user account with no luck. now 
i'm updating qt3 which i missed to update due to update bring in qt4, and 
kdebase. if this will help ill let you know.
little upset that after xorg migration i lost my mouse theme and dont recall 
its name, those were some simple red pointers.
oh, just came idea to rebuild gtk too.


martins
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