public inbox for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
* [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
@ 2006-03-09  2:28 Kris Kerwin
  2006-03-09  2:43 ` Daniel da Veiga
                   ` (3 more replies)
  0 siblings, 4 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Kris Kerwin @ 2006-03-09  2:28 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Hi folks!

I have a quick question.

I'm a college student. I share my printer with my roommate. We have 
separate computers; he uses Windows XP, and I Gentoo. Together, we're 
behind our school's router which dynamically assigns us both IP's.

Currently, in order to share our printer, we simply unplug it from one 
another's computers. However, we would like to be able to share it 
over the network instead to make life easier for the both of us. 
However, there are a few problems that I'm foreseeing.

First off, I have a laptop with only one ethernet port, so setting up 
an ad hoc network between us is out of the question. Also, my school 
has a "one port - one computer" rule that prohibits routers.

Second, since we're both behind a DHCPd server, we both have dynamic 
IPs. There's no easy way to point his computer to the right server if 
it has a dynamic IP.

Third, since we're both behind a router, using something like DynDNS 
to provide a static contact despite the dynamic IP won't work either.

So, I guess what I'm wondering is if there's any way to make this 
work, or if I'm SOL?

Thank you much for your help.

Kris Kerwin
-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09  2:28 [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba Kris Kerwin
@ 2006-03-09  2:43 ` Daniel da Veiga
  2006-03-09 18:05   ` Kris Kerwin
  2006-03-09  3:06 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
                   ` (2 subsequent siblings)
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Daniel da Veiga @ 2006-03-09  2:43 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 3/8/06, Kris Kerwin <kkerwin@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> I have a quick question.
>
> I'm a college student. I share my printer with my roommate. We have
> separate computers; he uses Windows XP, and I Gentoo. Together, we're
> behind our school's router which dynamically assigns us both IP's.
>
> Currently, in order to share our printer, we simply unplug it from one
> another's computers. However, we would like to be able to share it
> over the network instead to make life easier for the both of us.
> However, there are a few problems that I'm foreseeing.
>
> First off, I have a laptop with only one ethernet port, so setting up
> an ad hoc network between us is out of the question. Also, my school
> has a "one port - one computer" rule that prohibits routers.
>
> Second, since we're both behind a DHCPd server, we both have dynamic
> IPs. There's no easy way to point his computer to the right server if
> it has a dynamic IP.
>
> Third, since we're both behind a router, using something like DynDNS
> to provide a static contact despite the dynamic IP won't work either.
>
> So, I guess what I'm wondering is if there's any way to make this
> work, or if I'm SOL?
>
> Thank you much for your help.
>
> Kris Kerwin
> --
> gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
>

I couldn't think of a more "complex" solution right now, but couldn't
you simply make your IP static? I've done it at work because our DNS
was failing, simply copied the network configurations gained with DHCP
and made it permanent...

--
Daniel da Veiga
Computer Operator - RS - Brazil
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.1
GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V-
PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09  2:28 [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba Kris Kerwin
  2006-03-09  2:43 ` Daniel da Veiga
@ 2006-03-09  3:06 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
  2006-03-09 17:56 ` Eric Bliss
  2006-03-09 18:35 ` Michael Crute
  3 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. @ 2006-03-09  3:06 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Wednesday 08 March 2006 20:28, Kris Kerwin <kkerwin@insightbb.com> wrote 
about '[gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba':
> First off, I have a laptop with only one ethernet port, so setting up
> an ad hoc network between us is out of the question. Also, my school
> has a "one port - one computer" rule that prohibits routers.

That doesn't prohibit routers, it encourages them; routers add to the 
number of ports in your room. ;)  That rule just prohibits calculators, 
PDAs, cell phones, portable gaming devices, game consoles, moderm 
microwave ovens, modern televisions, some watches, etc., etc. (since they 
are [or contain] computers) from the room.

Real solutions:
(1) Get a wireless AP and connect both computers to it.  It doesn't have to 
have or use a port.
(2) Break the rules, they are stupid.
   (a) Generally speaking, students in dorms have an expectation of privacy 
so they can't (for example) search your room when you are gone.
   (b) A properly configured router doesn't look any different from a 
single computer network-wise.  You can do MAC duplication/spoofing if you 
had to register that with Computing Services.

> Second, since we're both behind a DHCPd server, we both have dynamic
> IPs. There's no easy way to point his computer to the right server if
> it has a dynamic IP.

Does it work like DNSmasq so that it does caching and local DNS?  Maybe you 
can just have the gentoo machine request a certain domain name and have 
the windows machine use that.  Heck, my school allowed student to have 
entries in the school's DNS, as log as the school wasn't using it so you 
might see if that's an option.

> Third, since we're both behind a router, using something like DynDNS
> to provide a static contact despite the dynamic IP won't work either.

Sure it does.  My computer was behind a router for nearly a year and ssh or 
whatever worked fine.  Do you get site-local IPs (10.0.0.0/8, 
192.168.0.0/16, or 176.0.0.0/8) or real IPs?  With real IPs you are set on 
that front.  With site-local, DynDNS would be doing the 'Net a favor to 
disallow them being registered, but you could try anyway.

In either case, does the router filter any ports?  That would be the big 
stumbling block, but if you find a single one that is open you could run 
cups (or what have you) on it.  If there's fewer ports open than you need, 
ssh tunnels can do SOCKS proxying and, IIRC, there's even kernel patches 
to force all connections through a SOCKS proxy.  (Heck, you don't really 
need kernel patches if you can write C and know how to use the LD_PRELOAD 
thingy.)

Finally, depending on how the router is set up, you may be able to do peer 
discovery through ARP or mDNS.

> So, I guess what I'm wondering is if there's any way to make this
> work, or if I'm SOL?

I doubt you are SOL, but it might take more work and /research/ than you 
are willing to put into it.

-- 
"If there's one thing we've established over the years,
it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
-- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh
-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09  2:28 [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba Kris Kerwin
  2006-03-09  2:43 ` Daniel da Veiga
  2006-03-09  3:06 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
@ 2006-03-09 17:56 ` Eric Bliss
  2006-03-09 18:07   ` Kris Kerwin
  2006-03-10  1:26   ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
  2006-03-09 18:35 ` Michael Crute
  3 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Eric Bliss @ 2006-03-09 17:56 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Wednesday 08 March 2006 18:28, Kris Kerwin wrote:
> Currently, in order to share our printer, we simply unplug it from one 
> another's computers. However, we would like to be able to share it 
> over the network instead to make life easier for the both of us. 
> However, there are a few problems that I'm foreseeing.
> 

Back before in-home networks were practical, my dad had a little gray box that 
had three cables going in the back end, and a switch on the front - "A/B".  I 
think that box was for the old parallel printer ports, but I'd imagine that 
if you go down to Best Buy or another computer store they'd have something 
similar for sharing a USB device between multiple machines.

It's possible you'd need to flip a switch when you want to print, but it would 
still be easier that moving the cables, and it won't break any of your 
college's rules regarding the network.  Also, it won't require any additional 
configuration headaches.

-- 
Eric Bliss
systems design and integration,
CreativeCow.Net
-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09  2:43 ` Daniel da Veiga
@ 2006-03-09 18:05   ` Kris Kerwin
  2006-03-09 18:24     ` John Jolet
  2006-03-09 18:42     ` Daniel da Veiga
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Kris Kerwin @ 2006-03-09 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user; +Cc: Daniel da Veiga

Daniel,

Thanks for your quick reply.

> I couldn't think of a more "complex" solution right now, but
> couldn't you simply make your IP static? I've done it at work
> because our DNS was failing, simply copied the network
> configurations gained with DHCP and made it permanent...

Question: how does one *make* a static IP? I thought that IP was 
assigned by DHCP? Isn't that the way that DHCP works? It leases an IP 
to a specific computer, which then gives up that lease when it's done 
using it. At that point, DHCP is free to re-lease that same IP to 
whomever else requests it, correct? If that's the case, what would 
prevent another computer from accidentally obtaining that same IP?

Otherwise, if this is a viable solution, how do I make it work? I'm 
comfortable editing config files, but I just don't know where to go 
to do it.

Thanks again, all, for your help.

Kris

On Wednesday 08 March 2006 20:43, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> On 3/8/06, Kris Kerwin <kkerwin@insightbb.com> wrote:
> > Hi folks!
> >
> > I have a quick question.
> >
> > I'm a college student. I share my printer with my roommate. We
> > have separate computers; he uses Windows XP, and I Gentoo.
> > Together, we're behind our school's router which dynamically
> > assigns us both IP's.
> >
> > Currently, in order to share our printer, we simply unplug it
> > from one another's computers. However, we would like to be able
> > to share it over the network instead to make life easier for the
> > both of us. However, there are a few problems that I'm
> > foreseeing.
> >
> > First off, I have a laptop with only one ethernet port, so
> > setting up an ad hoc network between us is out of the question.
> > Also, my school has a "one port - one computer" rule that
> > prohibits routers.
> >
> > Second, since we're both behind a DHCPd server, we both have
> > dynamic IPs. There's no easy way to point his computer to the
> > right server if it has a dynamic IP.
> >
> > Third, since we're both behind a router, using something like
> > DynDNS to provide a static contact despite the dynamic IP won't
> > work either.
> >
> > So, I guess what I'm wondering is if there's any way to make this
> > work, or if I'm SOL?
> >
> > Thank you much for your help.
> >
> > Kris Kerwin
> > --
> > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
>
> I couldn't think of a more "complex" solution right now, but
> couldn't you simply make your IP static? I've done it at work
> because our DNS was failing, simply copied the network
> configurations gained with DHCP and made it permanent...
>
> --
> Daniel da Veiga
> Computer Operator - RS - Brazil
> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> Version: 3.1
> GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M-
> V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++
> ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09 17:56 ` Eric Bliss
@ 2006-03-09 18:07   ` Kris Kerwin
  2006-03-10  1:26   ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Kris Kerwin @ 2006-03-09 18:07 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user; +Cc: Eric Bliss

Good idea. I'll look around.

Kris

On Thursday 09 March 2006 11:56, Eric Bliss wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 March 2006 18:28, Kris Kerwin wrote:
> > Currently, in order to share our printer, we simply unplug it
> > from one another's computers. However, we would like to be able
> > to share it over the network instead to make life easier for the
> > both of us. However, there are a few problems that I'm
> > foreseeing.
>
> Back before in-home networks were practical, my dad had a little
> gray box that had three cables going in the back end, and a switch
> on the front - "A/B".  I think that box was for the old parallel
> printer ports, but I'd imagine that if you go down to Best Buy or
> another computer store they'd have something similar for sharing a
> USB device between multiple machines.
>
> It's possible you'd need to flip a switch when you want to print,
> but it would still be easier that moving the cables, and it won't
> break any of your college's rules regarding the network.  Also, it
> won't require any additional configuration headaches.
>
> --
> Eric Bliss
> systems design and integration,
> CreativeCow.Net
-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09 18:05   ` Kris Kerwin
@ 2006-03-09 18:24     ` John Jolet
  2006-03-09 18:42     ` Daniel da Veiga
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: John Jolet @ 2006-03-09 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

> Question: how does one *make* a static IP? I thought that IP was
> assigned by DHCP? Isn't that the way that DHCP works? It leases an IP
> to a specific computer, which then gives up that lease when it's done
> using it. At that point, DHCP is free to re-lease that same IP to
> whomever else requests it, correct? If that's the case, what would
> prevent another computer from accidentally obtaining that same IP?
>
> Otherwise, if this is a viable solution, how do I make it work? I'm
> comfortable editing config files, but I just don't know where to go
> to do it.
>
> Thanks again, all, for your help.
>
> Kris
this is a more complicated question than it appears.  Let's say, for  
instance that you have an actual dhcp server, not just a router/ap  
giving out ips.  Now, most dhcp servers allow you to either  
statically, or dynamically, associate an IP with a MAC address  
(hardware address).  I can set my dhcp server up such that you ALWAYS  
get the same ip address for a given mac address.  This is helpful in  
some cases where you have more ip space than machines and want to  
know who gets what.  I can either do that by manually adding the mac  
into the configuration, or by making an infinate lease time.  in both  
cases, you've got a static dynamic address :)

if you have more machines than ip space (a class C subnet has on the  
order of 254 possible addresses), you have to have dynamic dhcp for  
those.  in that case, you have a much shorter lease time, and when a  
box comes on, it asks for the last address it has, and the dhcp  
server says "yes" if no one is using it, or "no, use this one" if  
it's in use.

however, IP is NOT limited to using dhcp.  you can manually set your  
machine to have a given ip address (since this is the gentoo list,  
it's in the /etc/conf.d/net file).  if you're manually setting an ip  
address, you do have to be careful that you're not setting it in the  
range that the dhcp server will assign.

email me offline if you need more detail than that....ip theory in  
general is a little off-topic.
-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09  2:28 [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba Kris Kerwin
                   ` (2 preceding siblings ...)
  2006-03-09 17:56 ` Eric Bliss
@ 2006-03-09 18:35 ` Michael Crute
  2006-03-09 19:18   ` Daniel da Veiga
  3 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Crute @ 2006-03-09 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 3/8/06, Kris Kerwin <kkerwin@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> I have a quick question.
>
> I'm a college student. I share my printer with my roommate. We have
> separate computers; he uses Windows XP, and I Gentoo. Together, we're
> behind our school's router which dynamically assigns us both IP's.
>
> Currently, in order to share our printer, we simply unplug it from one
> another's computers. However, we would like to be able to share it
> over the network instead to make life easier for the both of us.
> However, there are a few problems that I'm foreseeing.
>
> First off, I have a laptop with only one ethernet port, so setting up
> an ad hoc network between us is out of the question. Also, my school
> has a "one port - one computer" rule that prohibits routers.
>
> Second, since we're both behind a DHCPd server, we both have dynamic
> IPs. There's no easy way to point his computer to the right server if
> it has a dynamic IP.
>
> Third, since we're both behind a router, using something like DynDNS
> to provide a static contact despite the dynamic IP won't work either.
>
> So, I guess what I'm wondering is if there's any way to make this
> work, or if I'm SOL?
>

It would seem that people are thinking about this problem just a bit
too hard. Here is how my network is setup. All users have DHCP addys,
its a mix of mainly Gentoo with the odd Windows box. The printers are
all connected to Gentoo servers which have cups and samba setup. Cups
serves printing for all the Linux boxes and is also hooked into Samba
so the windows boxes can print. As far as IP addresses go... screw
em... use the netbios name of the machines, for the Windoze box this
will be its hostname and the same is true for the Linux box (I don't
think I had to do any extra setup in Samba to make it broadcast a
netbios name). You will then be able to print locally from the Linux
box via CUPS and you can install the printer just like any other
shared printer (\\your_gentoo_box\printer_name) under Windows. Gentoo
has excellent Samba setup howtos if you need more info. In this case
you break no rules and there is no complex DNS setup stuff. Hope all
this makes some sense.

-Mike

--
________________________________
Michael E. Crute
http://mike.crute.org

Linux takes junk and turns it into something useful.
Windows takes something useful and turns it into junk.

-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09 18:05   ` Kris Kerwin
  2006-03-09 18:24     ` John Jolet
@ 2006-03-09 18:42     ` Daniel da Veiga
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Daniel da Veiga @ 2006-03-09 18:42 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

Someone with more network knowledge will probably correct any bullshit
I'll type from now on... :)

On 3/9/06, Kris Kerwin <kkerwin@insightbb.com> wrote:
> Daniel,
>
> Thanks for your quick reply.
>
> > I couldn't think of a more "complex" solution right now, but
> > couldn't you simply make your IP static? I've done it at work
> > because our DNS was failing, simply copied the network
> > configurations gained with DHCP and made it permanent...
>
> Question: how does one *make* a static IP? I thought that IP was
> assigned by DHCP? Isn't that the way that DHCP works? It leases an IP

Well, this is more of a server solution than a workstation one, you'll
probably turn your computer off once in a while. DHCP wil not give
anyone an IP that is already in use (its against TCP/IP rules), so, if
you have your machine running with an IP, DHCP will not lease it (at
least I think so because my machine never conflited).

> to a specific computer, which then gives up that lease when it's done
> using it. At that point, DHCP is free to re-lease that same IP to
> whomever else requests it, correct? If that's the case, what would

Yes, if your DHCP sends a DHCP_RELEASE command to the server, it will
"give up" that IP and it will be available for another computer.

> prevent another computer from accidentally obtaining that same IP?

You just never RELEASE the IP, and when it expires you LEASE it again,
and DHCP cache will always try to get the last IP, of course, I've
done it in a server running all the time, first I tried RELEASING and
automatic LEASING it again in TIMEOUT seconds (where timeout is the
LEASE time minus a few seconds, it alll depends on how big is your
server's lease time), I've created a script to do that, but deleted it
long ago. Then I decided to simply configure /etc/resolv.conf,
/etc/conf.d/net and /etc/hosts so I would have an static IP, and let
TCP/IP do the rest (not allow the DHCP server to LEASE that IP to
someone else). I couldn't find anywhere in the web if that SHOULD
work, it just does, for me.

>
> Otherwise, if this is a viable solution, how do I make it work? I'm
> comfortable editing config files, but I just don't know where to go
> to do it.
>

You ifconfig to get the IP your're using right now and the Netmask
used in your network environment. Then you edit the /etc/conf.d/net
file to configure your ethernet interface to have a static IP, using
the one you're already using from DHCP and set the netmask you got
from ifconfig, and let be your /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/hosts that
were written by the DHCP client.

> Thanks again, all, for your help.
>
> Kris
>
> On Wednesday 08 March 2006 20:43, Daniel da Veiga wrote:
> > On 3/8/06, Kris Kerwin <kkerwin@insightbb.com> wrote:
> > > Hi folks!
> > >
> > > I have a quick question.
> > >
> > > I'm a college student. I share my printer with my roommate. We
> > > have separate computers; he uses Windows XP, and I Gentoo.
> > > Together, we're behind our school's router which dynamically
> > > assigns us both IP's.
> > >
> > > Currently, in order to share our printer, we simply unplug it
> > > from one another's computers. However, we would like to be able
> > > to share it over the network instead to make life easier for the
> > > both of us. However, there are a few problems that I'm
> > > foreseeing.
> > >
> > > First off, I have a laptop with only one ethernet port, so
> > > setting up an ad hoc network between us is out of the question.
> > > Also, my school has a "one port - one computer" rule that
> > > prohibits routers.
> > >
> > > Second, since we're both behind a DHCPd server, we both have
> > > dynamic IPs. There's no easy way to point his computer to the
> > > right server if it has a dynamic IP.
> > >
> > > Third, since we're both behind a router, using something like
> > > DynDNS to provide a static contact despite the dynamic IP won't
> > > work either.
> > >
> > > So, I guess what I'm wondering is if there's any way to make this
> > > work, or if I'm SOL?
> > >
> > > Thank you much for your help.
> > >
> > > Kris Kerwin
> > > --
> > > gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> >
> > I couldn't think of a more "complex" solution right now, but
> > couldn't you simply make your IP static? I've done it at work
> > because our DNS was failing, simply copied the network
> > configurations gained with DHCP and made it permanent...
> >
> > --
> > Daniel da Veiga
> > Computer Operator - RS - Brazil
> > -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> > Version: 3.1
> > GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M-
> > V- PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++
> > ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
>


--
Daniel da Veiga
Computer Operator - RS - Brazil
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.1
GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V-
PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09 18:35 ` Michael Crute
@ 2006-03-09 19:18   ` Daniel da Veiga
  2006-03-09 19:33     ` Michael Crute
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Daniel da Veiga @ 2006-03-09 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 3/9/06, Michael Crute <mcrute@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/8/06, Kris Kerwin <kkerwin@insightbb.com> wrote:
> > Hi folks!
> >
> > I have a quick question.
> >
> > I'm a college student. I share my printer with my roommate. We have
> > separate computers; he uses Windows XP, and I Gentoo. Together, we're
> > behind our school's router which dynamically assigns us both IP's.
> >
> > Currently, in order to share our printer, we simply unplug it from one
> > another's computers. However, we would like to be able to share it
> > over the network instead to make life easier for the both of us.
> > However, there are a few problems that I'm foreseeing.
> >
> > First off, I have a laptop with only one ethernet port, so setting up
> > an ad hoc network between us is out of the question. Also, my school
> > has a "one port - one computer" rule that prohibits routers.
> >
> > Second, since we're both behind a DHCPd server, we both have dynamic
> > IPs. There's no easy way to point his computer to the right server if
> > it has a dynamic IP.
> >
> > Third, since we're both behind a router, using something like DynDNS
> > to provide a static contact despite the dynamic IP won't work either.
> >
> > So, I guess what I'm wondering is if there's any way to make this
> > work, or if I'm SOL?
> >
>
> It would seem that people are thinking about this problem just a bit
> too hard. Here is how my network is setup. All users have DHCP addys,
> its a mix of mainly Gentoo with the odd Windows box. The printers are
> all connected to Gentoo servers which have cups and samba setup. Cups
> serves printing for all the Linux boxes and is also hooked into Samba
> so the windows boxes can print. As far as IP addresses go... screw
> em... use the netbios name of the machines, for the Windoze box this
> will be its hostname and the same is true for the Linux box (I don't
> think I had to do any extra setup in Samba to make it broadcast a
> netbios name). You will then be able to print locally from the Linux
> box via CUPS and you can install the printer just like any other
> shared printer (\\your_gentoo_box\printer_name) under Windows. Gentoo
> has excellent Samba setup howtos if you need more info. In this case
> you break no rules and there is no complex DNS setup stuff. Hope all
> this makes some sense.
>

Well, in fact, I think it does. I forgot that the main problem was in
fact just PRINTING... Yeah, cups and samba will take care of that.
Samba will broadcast netbios stuff over the net so you can see your
shared printer (and folders).

Check:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/quick-samba-howto.xml
and
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Native_Windows_Printing_with_CUPS/Samba

You know, sometimes you just loose focus and forget about simple
solutions for simple problems...

--
Daniel da Veiga
Computer Operator - RS - Brazil
-----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
Version: 3.1
GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? C++$ UBLA++ P+ L++ E--- W+++$ N o+ K- w O M- V-
PS PE Y PGP- t+ 5 X+++ R+* tv b+ DI+++ D+ G+ e h+ r+ y++
------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------

-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09 19:18   ` Daniel da Veiga
@ 2006-03-09 19:33     ` Michael Crute
  2006-03-10  4:53       ` [SOLVED] " Kris Kerwin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Michael Crute @ 2006-03-09 19:33 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On 3/9/06, Daniel da Veiga <danieldaveiga@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, in fact, I think it does. I forgot that the main problem was in
> fact just PRINTING... Yeah, cups and samba will take care of that.
> Samba will broadcast netbios stuff over the net so you can see your
> shared printer (and folders).
>
> You know, sometimes you just loose focus and forget about simple
> solutions for simple problems...
>

Hehe... everybody wants to engineer an elaborate fix when sometimes
all it takes is some duck tape ;-)

-Mike

--
________________________________
Michael E. Crute
http://mike.crute.org

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.
--Douglas Adams

-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09 17:56 ` Eric Bliss
  2006-03-09 18:07   ` Kris Kerwin
@ 2006-03-10  1:26   ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. @ 2006-03-10  1:26 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user

On Thursday 09 March 2006 11:56, Eric Bliss <eric@creativecow.net> wrote 
about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba':
> On Wednesday 08 March 2006 18:28, Kris Kerwin wrote:
> > Currently, in order to share our printer, we simply unplug it from one
> > another's computers. However, we would like to be able to share it
> > over the network instead to make life easier for the both of us.
> > However, there are a few problems that I'm foreseeing.
>
> Back before in-home networks were practical, my dad had a little gray
> box that had three cables going in the back end, and a switch on the
> front - "A/B".  I think that box was for the old parallel printer ports,
> but I'd imagine that if you go down to Best Buy or another computer
> store they'd have something similar for sharing a USB device between
> multiple machines.

Now a days they usually call such devices KVM switches.  Although, that may 
be a term specific to boxes like that which allow a monitor, keyboard, and 
mouse to be shared between all the computers in a rack.

-- 
"If there's one thing we've established over the years,
it's that the vast majority of our users don't have the slightest
clue what's best for them in terms of package stability."
-- Gentoo Developer Ciaran McCreesh
-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

* [SOLVED] Re: [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba
  2006-03-09 19:33     ` Michael Crute
@ 2006-03-10  4:53       ` Kris Kerwin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Kris Kerwin @ 2006-03-10  4:53 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-user; +Cc: Michael Crute

All,

Samba proved to be a very simple and effective fix. Plus, as was said 
earlier, it doesn't break any of the rules that my school has in 
place.

Thanks again, all, for your help.

Kris

On Thursday 09 March 2006 13:33, Michael Crute wrote:
> On 3/9/06, Daniel da Veiga <danieldaveiga@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well, in fact, I think it does. I forgot that the main problem
> > was in fact just PRINTING... Yeah, cups and samba will take care
> > of that. Samba will broadcast netbios stuff over the net so you
> > can see your shared printer (and folders).
> >
> > You know, sometimes you just loose focus and forget about simple
> > solutions for simple problems...
>
> Hehe... everybody wants to engineer an elaborate fix when sometimes
> all it takes is some duck tape ;-)
>
> -Mike
>
> --
> ________________________________
> Michael E. Crute
> http://mike.crute.org
>
> It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with
> potatoes. --Douglas Adams
-- 
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list



^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 13+ messages in thread

end of thread, other threads:[~2006-03-10  4:59 UTC | newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages (download: mbox.gz follow: Atom feed
-- links below jump to the message on this page --
2006-03-09  2:28 [gentoo-user] Printer Sharing with Samba Kris Kerwin
2006-03-09  2:43 ` Daniel da Veiga
2006-03-09 18:05   ` Kris Kerwin
2006-03-09 18:24     ` John Jolet
2006-03-09 18:42     ` Daniel da Veiga
2006-03-09  3:06 ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2006-03-09 17:56 ` Eric Bliss
2006-03-09 18:07   ` Kris Kerwin
2006-03-10  1:26   ` Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
2006-03-09 18:35 ` Michael Crute
2006-03-09 19:18   ` Daniel da Veiga
2006-03-09 19:33     ` Michael Crute
2006-03-10  4:53       ` [SOLVED] " Kris Kerwin

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox