[gentoo-user] trying KDE (again)

[gentoo-user] trying KDE (again)

[Iain Buchanan]

Welcome to my post, and remember to leave your flamewars at the door :)

I've just installed KDE for the first time in a couple of years.  It
seems to have come a long way.

However, I have some eye candy I want to bring from Gnome - transparent
konsole is the first.

Secondly, I start konsole with the following command (from another
konsole):

konsole --geometry -0-0

but the geometry doesn't work!  This is how the geometry should work:

geometry  should appear   status
+0+0      top left        works every time
+0-0      bottom left     doesn't work
-0+0      top right       works every time
-0-0      bottom right    doesn't work

what's going on?!!

But apart from this, I love some of the new features (ok there are
probably lots that I haven't found yet).

TIA,
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (again)

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 00:35, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> Welcome to my post, and remember to leave your flamewars at the door :)
>
> I've just installed KDE for the first time in a couple of years.  It
> seems to have come a long way.
>
> However, I have some eye candy I want to bring from Gnome - transparent
> konsole is the first.

turn on transparency in controll center (Arbeitsfläche is the menupoint ins 
german, shouild be desktop in english, below it, there is 'window properties' 
or so, where you can turn on transparency) After that, you can adjust the 
transparency global in controll center, and for each window with a right 
click on its title bar 

>
> Secondly, I start konsole with the following command (from another
> konsole):
>
> konsole --geometry -0-0

it works with 
konsole -geometry 0x0
and
konsole -geometry +0+0

see the singe - ?


>
> what's going on?!!

- not --


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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (again)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 00:54 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 February 2006 00:35, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > Welcome to my post, and remember to leave your flamewars at the door :)
> >
> > I've just installed KDE for the first time in a couple of years.  It
> > seems to have come a long way.
> >
> > However, I have some eye candy I want to bring from Gnome - transparent
> > konsole is the first.
> 
> turn on transparency in controll center (Arbeitsfläche is the menupoint ins 
> german, shouild be desktop in english, below it, there is 'window properties' 
> or so, where you can turn on transparency)

I found "translucency" - is that it?  I couldn't turn it on because  it
asks for Xorg ≥ 6.8 (which I have) and some Xconfig changes.  Is this
really necessary?  I had a transparent terminal with kde once already,
and I didn't do anything special...

> > Secondly, I start konsole with the following command (from another
> > konsole):
> >
> > konsole --geometry -0-0
> 
> it works with 
> konsole -geometry 0x0
> and
> konsole -geometry +0+0
> 
> see the singe - ?

yes, but you should be able to specify a + OR - for the x and y offset
as well:

-geometry WxH+Xoffs+Yoffs where
W: width
H: height
Xoffs: x offset*
Yoffs: y offset*

* x is relative to the left screen edge, if positive, and relative to
right screen edge if negative.
* y is relative to the top screen edge, if positive, and relative to the
bottom screen edge, if negative.

> > what's going on?!!
> 
> - not --

I tried - instead of -- and the results are the same: -0-0 is not
implemented properly...

thanks,
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[gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Harm Geerts]

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 06:34, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 00:54 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 00:35, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > Welcome to my post, and remember to leave your flamewars at the door :)
> > >
> > > I've just installed KDE for the first time in a couple of years.  It
> > > seems to have come a long way.
> > >
> > > However, I have some eye candy I want to bring from Gnome - transparent
> > > konsole is the first.
> >
> > turn on transparency in controll center (Arbeitsfläche is the menupoint
> > ins german, shouild be desktop in english, below it, there is 'window
> > properties' or so, where you can turn on transparency)
>
> I found "translucency" - is that it?  I couldn't turn it on because  it
> asks for Xorg ≥ 6.8 (which I have) and some Xconfig changes.  Is this
> really necessary?  I had a transparent terminal with kde once already,
> and I didn't do anything special...

Yes that's it, and yes you do have to change some settings in xorg.conf if you 
haven't done so already.

This wiki covers most of what you'd want/need
http://gentoo-wiki.com/Xorg_X11_and_Transparency

> > > Secondly, I start konsole with the following command (from another
> > > konsole):
> > >
> > > konsole --geometry -0-0
> >
> > it works with
> > konsole -geometry 0x0
> > and
> > konsole -geometry +0+0
> >
> > see the singe - ?
>
> yes, but you should be able to specify a + OR - for the x and y offset
> as well:
>
> -geometry WxH+Xoffs+Yoffs where
> W: width
> H: height
> Xoffs: x offset*
> Yoffs: y offset*
>
> * x is relative to the left screen edge, if positive, and relative to
> right screen edge if negative.
> * y is relative to the top screen edge, if positive, and relative to the
> bottom screen edge, if negative.

`konsole --help` doesn't mention the -geometry flag.
I've tried it on my system and the kwin window placement ignores it in favor 
of the "Placement" setting in the tab "Moving" next to the "Translucency" 
tab.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 07:40 +0100, Harm Geerts wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 February 2006 06:34, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 00:54 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 00:35, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > 
> > > turn on transparency in controll center (Arbeitsfläche is the menupoint
> > > ins german, shouild be desktop in english, below it, there is 'window
> > > properties' or so, where you can turn on transparency)
> >
> > I found "translucency" - is that it?  I couldn't turn it on because  it
> > asks for Xorg ≥ 6.8 (which I have) and some Xconfig changes.  Is this
> > really necessary?  I had a transparent terminal with kde once already,
> > and I didn't do anything special...
> 
> Yes that's it, and yes you do have to change some settings in xorg.conf if you 
> haven't done so already.

why? I have panel transparency? already, so why do I need to do
something special for konsole transparency?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 01:12, Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> 
wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)':
> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 07:40 +0100, Harm Geerts wrote:
> > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 06:34, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 00:54 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 00:35, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > turn on transparency in controll center
> > >
> > > I found "translucency" - is that it?
> >
> > Yes that's it, and yes you do have to change some settings in
> > xorg.conf if you haven't done so already.
>
> why? I have panel transparency? already, so why do I need to do
> something special for konsole transparency?

Kicker and Konsole both support a limited form of transparency.  You'll set 
this limited form up through kicker/koncole specific configurations.

In konsole you'll want to modify the scheme in use to have a transparent 
(or partially transparent) background (and maybe background text color).

The WM-wide transparency is handled with the X composite extension (must 
modify xorg.conf) and kompmgr (which is automagically started with your 
KDE session, if KDE detects the composite extension is loaded).  The 
window-bahavior transparency and shadows use kompmgr.

The limited transparency is not, for what i understand, hw accelerated and 
shows the desktop background never other windows.  The kompmgr 
transparency can be hw accelerated and will also show other windows, not 
just teh desktop background.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Ernie Schroder]

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 04:41, a tiny voice compelled Boyd Stephen Smith 
Jr. to write:
> In konsole you'll want to modify the scheme in use to have a transparent
> (or partially transparent) background (and maybe background text color).
>
> The WM-wide transparency is handled with the X composite extension (must
> modify xorg.conf) and kompmgr (which is automagically started with your
> KDE session, if KDE detects the composite extension is loaded).  The
> window-bahavior transparency and shadows use kompmgr.


I tried all this a while back and it used too much cpu. It slowed my 
XP2400/1gigRAM system down to unacceptable levels. Has this been corrected in 
KDE 3.5.x?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Roy Wright]

Ernie Schroder wrote:

>I tried all this a while back and it used too much cpu. It slowed my 
>XP2400/1gigRAM system down to unacceptable levels. Has this been corrected in 
>KDE 3.5.x?
>  
>
Try enabling the backingstore as suggested on the wiki.  That solved the 
slowness problem
for me.  I'm running KDE 3.5.1.

The other option, which is very tempting for me, is to try XGL in Xorg 
7.  Demo video available
at http://www.linuxedge.org/?q=node/58

Have fun,
Roy


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 07:26, Ernie Schroder <schroder@ntplx.net> 
wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)':
> On Tuesday 14 February 2006 04:41, a tiny voice compelled Boyd Stephen
> Smith
>
> Jr. to write:
> > In konsole you'll want to modify the scheme in use to have a
> > transparent (or partially transparent) background (and maybe
> > background text color).
> >
> > The WM-wide transparency is handled with the X composite extension
> > (must modify xorg.conf) and kompmgr (which is automagically started
> > with your KDE session, if KDE detects the composite extension is
> > loaded).  The window-bahavior transparency and shadows use kompmgr.
>
> I tried all this a while back and it used too much cpu. It slowed my
> XP2400/1gigRAM system down to unacceptable levels. Has this been
> corrected in KDE 3.5.x?

I didn't even notice the additional CPU usage, but I'm on 2x 275 Opteron 
system.  I have a friend who is on an 2200+ athlon and he said it started 
out not so bad and then gradually creeped up until it was 80% of CPU; he 
did have backing store enabled, IIRC.  He also isn't using dual 7800 GTXs 
either, so that could have something to do with it.

Although it was pretty and pretty useful, I turned it off because there's 
some wierd kopete bug that causes X to crash when opening chat windows.  
It goes away when I turn composite off in the KDE control panel.  (So, the 
composite extension is present, but kompmgr doesn't really do anything.)  
I may go back in the future and try to just turn off transparency for 
kopete windows...  I also didn't try it with AllGLXWithCompostie off, but 
that's because I still want GLX available.

Composite is still considered experimental, and GLXWithComposite even more 
so, so I wouldn't expect it to work for everyone.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 03:41 -0600, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> Kicker and Konsole both support a limited form of transparency.  You'll set 
> this limited form up through kicker/koncole specific configurations.
> 
> In konsole you'll want to modify the scheme in use to have a transparent 
> (or partially transparent) background (and maybe background text color).
> 
> The WM-wide transparency is handled with the X composite extension (must 
> modify xorg.conf) and kompmgr (which is automagically started with your 
> KDE session, if KDE detects the composite extension is loaded).  The 
> window-bahavior transparency and shadows use kompmgr.

aha, thank you for that great explanation.  However, I have edited
xorg.conf as required with

Section "Extensions"
   Option "Composite" "Enable"
EndSection

and

Option "RenderAccel" "true"
Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"

(I have an ati) but I still get the control centre message about
translucency not available...  (of course, I restarted X :)  Also, is
there supposed to be a command called kompmgr? I can't locate it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.]

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 08:11, Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> 
wrote about 'Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)':
> aha, thank you for that great explanation.  However, I have edited
> xorg.conf as required with
>
> Section "Extensions"
>    Option "Composite" "Enable"
> EndSection
>
> and
>
> Option "RenderAccel" "true"
> Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
>
> (I have an ati) but I still get the control centre message about
> translucency not available...  (of course, I restarted X :)  Also, is
> there supposed to be a command called kompmgr? I can't locate it.

Yeah, kompmgr is the KDE-ized version of xcompmgr.  You may have to set a 
USE flag to get it installed.  Are you using the monolithic ebuild (kde), 
metapackage (kde-meta), or some other set of packages?

I'm using the metapackage and I get kompmgr like so:
# equery b $(which kompmgr)
[ Searching for file(s) /usr/kde/3.5/bin/kompmgr in *... ]
kde-base/kwin-3.5.1 (/usr/kde/3.5/bin/kompmgr)
# emerge -pv '=kde-base/kwin-3.5.1'

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kwin-3.5.1  USE="arts kdeenablefinal xcomposite 
xinerama -debug" 0 kB

Total size of downloads: 0 kB

I bet 'xcomposite' is the critical USE flag.

Also, I would suggest your turn on the backing store.  It's another 
modification to xorg.conf, but it should pay off with less CPU usage.  The 
gentoo wiki should provide instructions on exactly how to modify your 
xorg.conf.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Richard Fish]

On 2/14/06, Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> aha, thank you for that great explanation.  However, I have edited
> xorg.conf as required with
>
> Section "Extensions"
>    Option "Composite" "Enable"
> EndSection
>
> and
>
> Option "RenderAccel" "true"
> Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
>
> (I have an ati) but I still get the control centre message about
> translucency not available...  (of course, I restarted X :)  Also, is

Which ATI do you have?  The ATI drivers (fglrx) does not support
composite yet.  Both of the above options are only for nvidia users, I
believe.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Zac Slade]

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 16:09, Richard Fish wrote:
> Which ATI do you have?  The ATI drivers (fglrx) does not support
> composite yet.  Both of the above options are only for nvidia users, I
> believe.
Enabling the Composite extension should work for all drivers, it isn't 
accelerated on fglrx, but there is a software fallback.  It may not be worth 
it if you can't get HW acceleration.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 18:06 -0600, Zac Slade wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 February 2006 16:09, Richard Fish wrote:
> > Which ATI do you have?  The ATI drivers (fglrx) does not support
> > composite yet.  Both of the above options are only for nvidia users, I
> > believe.
> Enabling the Composite extension should work for all drivers, it isn't 
> accelerated on fglrx, but there is a software fallback.  It may not be worth 
> it if you can't get HW acceleration.

I managed to enable it after recompiling kde with the xcomposite use
flag, however it looks very bad.  I am using the fglrx driver, but if
the only difference between that and nvidia is speed, then I don't want
it either way!

Screen sections get corrupted, windows are unusable, parts of windows
are transparent, old parts of the screen aren't updated (eg, the splash
screen is visible long after it's really disappeared) web browsing shows
lines of text over the top of each other - 

is this what everyone else sees with translucency?

oh well, I'm happy with the semi-transparency of konsole for now!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Zac Slade]

On Wednesday 15 February 2006 06:44, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> Screen sections get corrupted, windows are unusable, parts of windows
> are transparent, old parts of the screen aren't updated (eg, the splash
> screen is visible long after it's really disappeared) web browsing shows
> lines of text over the top of each other -
It is still very beta.  This codebase will improve and more of the compositing 
functions will be put into the window managers.

> is this what everyone else sees with translucency?
Maybe not they might be using per application translucency like what konsole 
has.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Richard Fish]

On 2/15/06, Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> is this what everyone else sees with translucency?

No.  I just got a new Dell E1705 with an NVidia Go 7800, and the
transparency effects with composite look beautiful.  Menus, moving
windows, the transitions between inactive and active windows, etc are
all smooth and responsive.

It does seem a bit unstable, sometimes it will start to slow down and
take a lot of CPU time for no apparent reason.  I switch between
turning the effects on and off...

But before my Dell, I had a laptop with an ATI X600 in it.  I had the
same problems as you.

As I said before, the ATI fglrx drivers do _not_ support composite. 
You can try with the radeon driver if you want to see the software
emulation, but it will be slow.  V...e....r....y, 
.....v........e............r............y...........................s..........l...........o................o.................w.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: trying KDE (again)

[Uwe Thiem]

On 14 February 2006 09:12, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 07:40 +0100, Harm Geerts wrote:
> > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 06:34, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 00:54 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 00:35, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > turn on transparency in controll center (Arbeitsfläche is the
> > > > menupoint ins german, shouild be desktop in english, below it, there
> > > > is 'window properties' or so, where you can turn on transparency)
> > >
> > > I found "translucency" - is that it?  I couldn't turn it on because  it
> > > asks for Xorg ≥ 6.8 (which I have) and some Xconfig changes.  Is this
> > > really necessary?  I had a transparent terminal with kde once already,
> > > and I didn't do anything special...
> >
> > Yes that's it, and yes you do have to change some settings in xorg.conf
> > if you haven't done so already.
>
> why? I have panel transparency? already, so why do I need to do
> something special for konsole transparency?

The panel doesn't use the alpha channel. That's fine for the panel because you 
usually don't move it around a lot. Windows like konsole, on the other hand, 
can be dragged around. If you do that with a transparent window not using the 
alpha channel it eats a *lot* of CPU.

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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (again)

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 06:34, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 00:54 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > On Tuesday 14 February 2006 00:35, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > > Welcome to my post, and remember to leave your flamewars at the door :)
> > >
> > > I've just installed KDE for the first time in a couple of years.  It
> > > seems to have come a long way.
> > >
> > > However, I have some eye candy I want to bring from Gnome - transparent
> > > konsole is the first.
> >
> > turn on transparency in controll center (Arbeitsfläche is the menupoint
> > ins german, shouild be desktop in english, below it, there is 'window
> > properties' or so, where you can turn on transparency)
>
> I found "translucency" - is that it?  I couldn't turn it on because  it
> asks for Xorg ≥ 6.8 (which I have) and some Xconfig changes.  Is this
> really necessary?  I had a transparent terminal with kde once already,
> and I didn't do anything special...
>
> > > Secondly, I start konsole with the following command (from another
> > > konsole):
> > >
> > > konsole --geometry -0-0
> >
> > it works with
> > konsole -geometry 0x0
> > and
> > konsole -geometry +0+0
> >
> > see the singe - ?
>
> yes, but you should be able to specify a + OR - for the x and y offset
> as well:
>
> -geometry WxH+Xoffs+Yoffs where
> W: width
> H: height
> Xoffs: x offset*
> Yoffs: y offset*
>
> * x is relative to the left screen edge, if positive, and relative to
> right screen edge if negative.
> * y is relative to the top screen edge, if positive, and relative to the
> bottom screen edge, if negative.
>
> > > what's going on?!!
> >
> > - not --
>
> I tried - instead of -- and the results are the same: -0-0 is not
> implemented properly...

what do you mean with 'properly'?
where should konsole pop up?

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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (again)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 16:06 +0100, Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 February 2006 06:34, Iain Buchanan wrote:
[snip]
> > > > konsole --geometry -0-0
[snip]
> > I tried - instead of -- and the results are the same: -0-0 is not
> > implemented properly...
> 
> what do you mean with 'properly'?
> where should konsole pop up?

konsole -geometry <geom>:

<geom>  appears at   should appear at
+0+0    top left     top left
-0+0    top right    top right
+0-0    top left*    bottom left
-0-0    various**    bottom right

* Always appears at top left
** Sometimes appears at top right, sometimes appears aligned with
existing window.

These tests were done about 5x for each geometry, with and without other
windows on the same virtual desktop.

The same tests run with gnome-terminal (from within KDE) using
--geometry instead of -geometry place gnome-terminal in the right place
all the time.

(again, not flaming, just testing :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (again)

[Paul Varner]

On Tue, 2006-02-14 at 15:04 +0930, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> yes, but you should be able to specify a + OR - for the x and y offset
> as well:
> 
> -geometry WxH+Xoffs+Yoffs where
> W: width
> H: height
> Xoffs: x offset*
> Yoffs: y offset*
> 
> * x is relative to the left screen edge, if positive, and relative to
> right screen edge if negative.
> * y is relative to the top screen edge, if positive, and relative to the
> bottom screen edge, if negative.

I'm running KDE 3.4.3 and got the following results

$ konsole -geometry -0+0 (window placed in upper right)
$ konsole -geometry +0+0 (window placed in upper left)
$ konsole -geometry +0-0 (window placed in upper left) **not correct**
$ konsole -geometry -0-0 (window placed in lower right)

However all of the following worked correctly: (666x402 corresonds to an
80x24 konsole with my default font)

$ konsole -geometry 666x402-0+0 (upper right)
$ konsole -geometry 666x402+0+0 (upper left)
$ konsole -geometry 666x402+0-0 (lower left)
$ konsole -geometry 666x402-0-0 (lower right)


With the exception of +0-0, I was able to get consistent results. This
probably doesn't help you significantly, but it does indicate that there
is some bugginess with -geometry and konsole and that it isn't just your
system.

Regards,
Paul
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (again)

[Richard Fish]

On 2/13/06, Iain Buchanan <iaindb@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> However, I have some eye candy I want to bring from Gnome - transparent
> konsole is the first.

Right click in the Konsole window, select Settings->Schema-> and a
transparent schema.  You can also modify an existing or create a new
schema with Settings->Configure Konsole

> Secondly, I start konsole with the following command (from another
> konsole):
>
> konsole --geometry -0-0

The KDE window manager doesn't really support this.  It is probably
better to use window-specific settings in the window manager.

1. Right click on a title-bar, select "Configure Window Behavior..."
2. Select "Window-Specific Settings" and "New..."
3. Click the "Detect" button and click on a Konsole window.
4. Under Geometry, turn on the "Position" checkbox, set it to remember.

Now you can position/resize your konsole like you want, and KDE will
remember it.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (again)

[Iain Buchanan]

That did it! Now I have a semi-transparent konsole, which always appears
at the bottom right - thanks!!
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (konsole placement)

[Iain Buchanan]

I thought I had this one sorted, but apparently not!

Essentially, I want konsole to "always" appear in the bottom right of
the screen.  It appears the -geometry option isn't quite implemented
properly, so a user suggested to use the "special window settings" to
remember the position of konsole.

This worked well for a while, until I realised that these settings don't
stay with what I set them to!  eg.

1. open konsole and position it where I want it.
2. select "special window settings" from window > advanced menu.
3. set position to "remember", and the coords should be already there.
4. open and close konsole as many times as you want and believe that it
works :)
5. open konsole, move it, then close it.
6. open konsole again.  Now it opens where I last moved it to, NOT where
I told it to.

If I look at "special window settings" now, I see that the coords have
changed!!  Why?  I didn't tell it to?!?!?

Is this the intended behaviour?

I'd appreciate any comments.  Thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (konsole placement)

[Martins Steinbergs]

On Tuesday 21 February 2006 01:48, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
> 1. open konsole and position it where I want it.
> 2. select "special window settings" from window > advanced menu.
> 3. set position to "remember", and the coords should be already there.
> 4. open and close konsole as many times as you want and believe that it
> works :)
> 5. open konsole, move it, then close it.
> 6. open konsole again.  Now it opens where I last moved it to, NOT where
> I told it to.
>
> If I look at "special window settings" now, I see that the coords have
> changed!!  Why?  I didn't tell it to?!?!?
>
> Is this the intended behaviour?
>
> I'd appreciate any comments.  Thanks,
> --
> Iain Buchanan <iain at netspace dot net dot au>
>
> /* And you'll never guess what the dog had */
> /*   in its mouth... */
>              -- Larry Wall in stab.c from the perl source code

you chose wrong setting, change 'Remember' to 'Aplay Initialy'

hope this helps 

martins
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (konsole placement)

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2006-02-21 at 02:11 +0200, Martins Steinbergs wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 February 2006 01:48, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> >
> > 1. open konsole and position it where I want it.
> > 2. select "special window settings" from window > advanced menu.
> > 3. set position to "remember", and the coords should be already there.
> > 4. open and close konsole as many times as you want and believe that it
> > works :)
> > 5. open konsole, move it, then close it.
> > 6. open konsole again.  Now it opens where I last moved it to, NOT where
> > I told it to.
> >
> > If I look at "special window settings" now, I see that the coords have
> > changed!!  Why?  I didn't tell it to?!?!?
> 
> you chose wrong setting, change 'Remember' to 'Aplay Initialy'
> 
> hope this helps 

aha, that fixed it.  Thanks :)
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Re: [gentoo-user] trying KDE (konsole placement)

[Peter Ruskin]

On Monday 20 February 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 1. open konsole and position it where I want it.
> 2. select "special window settings" from window > advanced menu.
> 3. set position to "remember", and the coords should be already
> there. 4. open and close konsole as many times as you want and
> believe that it works :)
> 5. open konsole, move it, then close it.
> 6. open konsole again.  Now it opens where I last moved it to,
> NOT where I told it to.
>
> If I look at "special window settings" now, I see that the coords
> have changed!!  Why?  I didn't tell it to?!?!?
>
> Is this the intended behaviour?

For "remember", yes - it remembers the last position.  Now if you 
get the desired position and select "Apply initially", each time 
you open the application it goes to the selected co-ordinates.

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