[gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

Hi guys.

The last thread seemed to have went off base due to more than one problem at a 
time.  I just finished a new install on another hard drive.  I now have a 
working Mozilla, it opens now anyway.  I still get the same error when 
sending emails I used to have though.  Here it is again:


" An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 
<whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying denied. Please 
verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try 
again."


To recap a bit.  I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs 
network.  I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some 
others too.  I can send a email to my ISPs customer service and other users 
there.

I have called my ISP and they have no problems with any other customer.  I did 
copy over my /home directory.  I also tried setting up a new user with a 
empty user directory and then tried to send a email that way, same error.  

Earlier today when I was talking to my ISP, I got them to set up a new account 
for me to test with.  I can't send any email with it either.  So after 
setting up a new user on my end and setting up a new account on their end, I 
have no clue what to try next.  Kmail is working for the moment, that's how I 
am sending this one.

I plan to try my brothers ISP tonight.  I want to see if I can send with it.  
He uses Bell South.  

What else can I try?  I have no clue what is wrong here.  Please don't tell me 
to use windoze.  I'm seriously considering installing Mandrake 9.1 and 
testing that.  It was buggy but it worked.  It may be worth testing anyway.  
Let me know if you need more info.  I'll post whatever you want, short of my 
password.  LOL

Thanks for the help.  I'm open to ideas here.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Iain Buchanan]

Hi,

On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 22:17 -0600, Dale wrote:
[snip]

sorry I didn't read your original post, I didn't think I could help.

I haven't read your original thread, so I don't know if someone has
suggested this already.

I get this problem when I try to send mail to, say, a@b.com from
my@isp.com account when I'm actually not connected through isp.com, but
rather through a 3rd party isp.

This is called relaying, which spammers look for because it enables
anyone to send spam, and hence any good isp should block it.

What you can try is:
1. Make sure you're actually on your isp.com network - get the ip
address of their mail server, and get your ip address and see.
2. Enable passwords with your mail client - not just to check mail, but
to send mail as well.  (With evolution its in Edit > Prefs > Mail
Accounts > (select account) > edit > Sending Mail > Authentication.  It
looks like you're using mozilla though...)

HTH, and as I said, I hope this wasn't already mentioned in the original
thread...
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Richard Fish]

On 1/17/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
> Hi guys.
>
> The last thread seemed to have went off base due to more than one problem at a
> time.  I just finished a new install on another hard drive.  I now have a
> working Mozilla, it opens now anyway.  I still get the same error when
> sending emails I used to have though.  Here it is again:
>
>
> " An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1
> <whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying denied. Please
> verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try
> again."

This message typically occurs when the SMTP server doesn't trust you,
either because you are using an email address not from their domain,
or contacting the mail server from outside their network.  It might
also mean you have to authenticate with their mail server, using your
account login and password.

If the above doesn't help, maybe seeing your mail configuration would help:

find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep "mail.smtpserver" {} \;

-Richard




>
>
> To recap a bit.  I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs
> network.  I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some
> others too.  I can send a email to my ISPs customer service and other users
> there.
>
> I have called my ISP and they have no problems with any other customer.  I did
> copy over my /home directory.  I also tried setting up a new user with a
> empty user directory and then tried to send a email that way, same error.
>
> Earlier today when I was talking to my ISP, I got them to set up a new account
> for me to test with.  I can't send any email with it either.  So after
> setting up a new user on my end and setting up a new account on their end, I
> have no clue what to try next.  Kmail is working for the moment, that's how I
> am sending this one.
>
> I plan to try my brothers ISP tonight.  I want to see if I can send with it.
> He uses Bell South.
>
> What else can I try?  I have no clue what is wrong here.  Please don't tell me
> to use windoze.  I'm seriously considering installing Mandrake 9.1 and
> testing that.  It was buggy but it worked.  It may be worth testing anyway.
> Let me know if you need more info.  I'll post whatever you want, short of my
> password.  LOL
>
> Thanks for the help.  I'm open to ideas here.
>
> Dale
> :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Tuesday 17 January 2006 22:48, Iain Buchanan wrote:

< snip >
>
> What you can try is:
> 1. Make sure you're actually on your isp.com network - get the ip
> address of their mail server, and get your ip address and see.
> 2. Enable passwords with your mail client - not just to check mail, but
> to send mail as well.  (With evolution its in Edit > Prefs > Mail
> Accounts > (select account) > edit > Sending Mail > Authentication.  It
> looks like you're using mozilla though...)
>
> HTH, and as I said, I hope this wasn't already mentioned in the original
> thread...
> --
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>
> Do not count your chickens before they are hatched.
> 		-- Aesop


I do connect directly to my ISP.  I have even tried different numbers to dial 
into and get the same error.  How would I get the IP address of the mail 
server though?  I know how to get mine.  I assume ifconfig would tell me.

Also, keep in mind that Kmail works at least at the moment anyway.

It does come up and ask for a password when I connect the first time.  I tell 
it to store the password so I don't have to type it in each time.  

Those would be a good start though.  This is getting weird.

Thanks and let me know on the IP address.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:00, Richard Fish wrote:
> find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep "mail.smtpserver" {} \;


This is on my old install.  

root@smoker / # find home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep 
"mail.smtpserver" {} \;
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method", 1);
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname", "mail.exceedtech.net");
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port", 25);
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl", 0);
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username", "dalek");
user_pref("mail.smtpservers", "smtp1");
root@smoker / #


This is from the new install that I mounted on /mnt/gentoo, you know, like in 
the install guide.  LOL

root@smoker / # find /mnt/gentoo/home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep 
"mail.smtpserver" {} \;
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method", 1);
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname", "mail.exceedtech.net");
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port", 25);
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl", 0);
user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username", "dalek");
user_pref("mail.smtpservers", "smtp1");
root@smoker / #   

Well, this may explain why neither one works.  They are the same.  Does that 
look right??  I just thought of something.  My new install has two accounts, 
the dalek one and my new one rdalek.  Where's rdalek??  I'm going to change 
later and get rid of some spam, I hope.

I had to fill in the user directories since I was logged in as root.  Root 
don't have a .mozilla directory.  

I'm open to trying something here.  I'm going to check my brothers ISP in a 
few more hours.  If it works, something fishy at my ISP.  If not, I have a 
problem here, and no clue what to do.

Thanks for the help.  Keep those ideas coming.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Iain Buchanan]

On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 23:12 -0600, Dale wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 January 2006 22:48, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> >
> > What you can try is:
> > 1. Make sure you're actually on your isp.com network - get the ip
> > address of their mail server, and get your ip address and see.
> 
> I do connect directly to my ISP.  I have even tried different numbers to dial 
> into and get the same error.  How would I get the IP address of the mail 
> server though?  I know how to get mine.  I assume ifconfig would tell me.

Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg
mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`.  (dig is part of  For your ip
address, I'm interested in your "real" world ip, but don't post it
here!!  ifconfig will get it IFF your using a modem, or pci-adsl, but if
you have a networked modem/router, you'll need to connect to its status
page to see what ip address you have.

They should be similar, however many isps have a few ip addresses that
may not be ranged together.

Looking at your other posts though, I don't know that this will help...

> > 2. Enable passwords with your mail client - not just to check mail, but
> > to send mail as well.  (With evolution its in Edit > Prefs > Mail
> > Accounts > (select account) > edit > Sending Mail > Authentication.  It
> > looks like you're using mozilla though...)
> 
> Also, keep in mind that Kmail works at least at the moment anyway.

really?  hmmm...

I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works.  Can you look
through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for
sending mail?

Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal.  Make a capture
filter so you don't get other junk, eg "host mail.exceedtech.net" and
then post the text-capture here.  Your isp may be giving out a different
error which kmail is "translating" for you...

post back if you need more help with ethereal.
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote:

>
> Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg
> mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`.  (dig is part of  For your ip
> address, I'm interested in your "real" world ip, but don't post it
> here!!  ifconfig will get it IFF your using a modem, or pci-adsl, but if
> you have a networked modem/router, you'll need to connect to its status
> page to see what ip address you have.

Is dig a command?  I don't have it if it is.  Keep in mind that I CAN send 
email just not to anyone outside my ISP and only with Mozilla.  Kmail WILL 
send email on both OSs.  I did get a error sometimes but Mozilla is 
consistant about his one.  BTW, I did do a emerge -C mozilla and back up one 
version, still nothing.  I have not done the older version on the new install 
though.  I can if you want me too.

>
> They should be similar, however many isps have a few ip addresses that
> may not be ranged together.
>
> Looking at your other posts though, I don't know that this will help...
>

> really?  hmmm...
>
> I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works.  Can you look
> through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for
> sending mail?

I did have to put in my password for Kmail.  I think they do the same way.  
It's just that Mozilla don't work is all.  Well, on this OS, Mozilla won't 
even open.  But it won't email on my new OS either.  If this confuses you, 
let me know.  I'll post a better explaination.


>
> Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal.  Make a capture
> filter so you don't get other junk, eg "host mail.exceedtech.net" and
> then post the text-capture here.  Your isp may be giving out a different
> error which kmail is "translating" for you...
>
> post back if you need more help with ethereal.

I did capture some data with ethereal before.  I'm going to try to do that 
from my new install.  I'm in my old install right now.  I'm not sure why 
though.  Habit I guess.  I can't capture it here because Mozilla no longer 
works at all on this OS.

Oh, what is UPSMON called now?  I need to install it on my new OS but I can't 
find it.  Even emerge -s ups didn't return it.  Did they remove it?

I'm going to boot the new OS, install ethereal then post from there, if I can.  
LOL

Seriously, thanks for the help here.  I'm totally lost.  This is just to weird 
for me.  I hope I am making sense.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Iain Buchanan]

Hi,

In my haste to reply, I think I confused myself a bit (and you :)

On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 00:05 -0600, Dale wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> >
> > Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg
> > mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`.  (dig is part of  For your ip
[snip]

I started typing "(dig is part of bind-tools)" but I forgot I was
editing my email in the middle...

Anyway, I think that's barking up the wrong tree, although you could try
it if you feel like doing the exercise!


> > I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works.  Can you look
> > through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for
> > sending mail?
> 
> I did have to put in my password for Kmail.  I think they do the same way.  
> It's just that Mozilla don't work is all.  Well, on this OS, Mozilla won't 
> even open.  But it won't email on my new OS either.  If this confuses you, 
> let me know.  I'll post a better explaination.

oh yeah, its mozilla that doesn't work... *hit self on head*

In your mozilla "mail and newsgroup account settings" what options do
you have set for "outgoing server(smtp)"?

> > Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal.

> I did capture some data with ethereal before.  I'm going to try to do that 
> from my new install.

ok.  I'll wait and see.

> Oh, what is UPSMON called now?

`esearch ups` shows (among others):
dev-perl/Business-UPS
net-misc/ups-monitor
sys-power/apcupsd

esearch is part of the package "esearch" (surprise surprise) its not the
favourite portage search cache, but I like it.

>   I need to install it on my new OS but I can't 
> find it.  Even emerge -s ups didn't return it.  Did they remove it?

try `emerge -S ups` - the uppercase S will search descriptions as well.

> Seriously, thanks for the help here.  I'm totally lost.  This is just to weird 
> for me.  I hope I am making sense.

no worries.  hope we can get somewhere...

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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 01:07, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> oh yeah, its mozilla that doesn't work... *hit self on head*
>
> In your mozilla "mail and newsgroup account settings" what options do
> you have set for "outgoing server(smtp)"?
>


I have the same setting I use for Kmail actually.  server is 
mail.exceedtech.net on port 25.  It is set to use user name and password and 
secure connection is set to no.   I tried the others, it puked on me.  

Keep in mind that I can send to say info@exceedtech<dot>net just fine.  I can 
send to people that work there as well, even the owner.  I can even email 
myself.  It is just when I try to send to someone else outside exceedtech 
that it fails.  I can see it connect and the data going over ppp on gkrellm 
and all.  I just keep getting that error.

Kmail seems to work great on the new install.  I can send to anybody with it.

Confusing huh????

Thanks

Dale
:-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:23, Dale wrote:

>
> I'm open to trying something here.  I'm going to check my brothers ISP in a
> few more hours.  If it works, something fishy at my ISP.  If not, I have a
> problem here, and no clue what to do.
>
> Thanks for the help.  Keep those ideas coming.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)


OK.  I can't connect to my brothers ISP, Bell South.  I'm not sure what is the 
problem.  It just times out for some reason.  So I can't test that theory 
either.

On my new install, Mozilla will not open anymore either.  I did the strace 
thing from the other old thread, it says a lot of stuff is missing, again.

This is on a seperate hard drive too.  I have two 80GB drives and I have the 
old OS on one drive and the new OS on the other.  The only thing common 
is /boot.

I did my install from the 2005.0 install CD.  I did the gcc upgrade and 
upgraded everything else after a emerge sync.  Since I am on dial-up I just 
copied the distfiles over to the new drive.

What is going on here?  I'm so confused.  Do I need to start over, again?  
Maybe hold off on the gcc upgrade or something??

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Holly Bostick]

Dale schreef:
> On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:00, Richard Fish wrote:
>> find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep "mail.smtpserver" {} \;
> 
> 
> This is on my old install.
> 
> root@smoker / # find home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep 
> "mail.smtpserver" {} \; 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method", 1); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname", "mail.exceedtech.net"); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port", 25); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl", 0); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username", "dalek"); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpservers", "smtp1"); root@smoker / #
> 
> 
> This is from the new install that I mounted on /mnt/gentoo, you know,
>  like in the install guide.  LOL
> 
> root@smoker / # find /mnt/gentoo/home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js 
> -exec grep "mail.smtpserver" {} \; 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method", 1); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname", "mail.exceedtech.net"); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port", 25); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl", 0); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username", "dalek"); 
> user_pref("mail.smtpservers", "smtp1"); root@smoker / #
> 
> Well, this may explain why neither one works.  They are the same. 
> Does that look right??

Looks right to me; these are the same settings I have in Thunderbird
(with different hostname and username, of course), and I don't have any
problems.

What I don't get is why moz is trying to relay directly. I'm no
mail/network guru, but I do know that if I send a mail to someone
outside my network (like, for example, the list), *I* don't relay (send
the mail via another ssmtp server) but rather I send it to my ISP and
*they* relay it (just like snail mail; I drop the letter in the post box
near me and the Postal Service takes it to the next "node" in the town
where the recipient lives, and *their* local mail service delivers it.
It's not like if I want to write somebody in NYC, I have to mail the
letter *in* NYC for it to be delivered...!)

About all I can ask at this point is:

1) what version of Mozilla are you using? What are your USE flags for
your installation? Have you checked b.g.o or mozillazine
(http://www.mozillazine.org/ ) to see if this is perhaps a known bug of
your version of Mozilla? Have you tried upgrading (maybe it's a bug
that's fixed in later versions)?

2) If you go to Edit=>Preferences=>Account Preferences=>Outgoing server
(SMTP), is there more than one server listed, and is your ISP's server
selected as "standard"? Like Iain, I had similar problems (a long time
ago) when attempting to send mail via my home ISP from work, where we
had a different ISP, which wouldn't work because I was logged into my
work's mail server (of course), and not my home ISP's SMTP server, so my
home ISP wasn't going to send my mail, since I wasn't an authorized user
(not logged in). It's hard to believe that there isn't *some* problem
with your SMTP settings that we're missing, though there is no error to
be seen, and of course KMail is presumably set the same way, and *that*
works....

3) I'm wondering if this isn't a Mozilla problem; very curious as to
whether Thunderbird would exhibit it as well. If you want to try it, you
can use the same mail folders and settings as Mozilla, which I can
quickly tell you how to set up (it's like 5 steps, if T-bird doesn't
just offer to import the Mozilla settings for you) if you decide to try
it. Also curious as to whether there's *any difference whatsoever*
between your KMail settings and your Mozilla settings (yes, it's
fine-toothed-comb time).

4) I'm also wondering if this is a "local" problem (to a specific
"outside" address), or a "general" problem (to any outside address).
Have you tested mail to  multiple/different outside addresses, or just
one? If just one, maybe that one is the problem. You can send me a test
mail; I'm certainly outside your local network :-) .

5) It's a long shot, but is there any possibility that you're sending to
an outside address to which your ISP will *not* relay, i.e. someplace
that *cough* Homeland Security doesn't want you writing to (maybe you
have a relative in the service, I don't know)? If there are such domains
(and I'm sure there are), it's within the (distant, we hope) realm of
possiblility that
your ISP is being excessively cautious in order to avoid any spotlight
of investigation falling on them.

6) I don't know much (all right, anything) about sending command-line
mail, but there must be a way to get a "traceroute" of a mail. Maybe
somebody here knows how we could get some useful output about what
happens when this mail pretends to relay itself for some reason.


> I just thought of something.  My new install has two accounts, the
> dalek one and my new one rdalek.  Where's rdalek??  I'm going to 
> change later and get rid of some spam, I hope.
> 
> I had to fill in the user directories since I was logged in as root. 
> Root don't have a .mozilla directory.

Regular users don't have any rights to read root's home directory.
Probably Mozilla can't even see the account unless you're logged in as root.
> 
> I'm open to trying something here.  I'm going to check my brothers 
> ISP in a few more hours.  If it works, something fishy at my ISP.  If
>  not, I have a problem here, and no clue what to do.
> 

That's a good idea. No matter what your ISP says, it still could be
something fishy with them (Customer Service isn't always told every
little detail about what's going on with the service, and they can't
help you solve a problem they don't know about).

HTH,
Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:29 -0600, Dale wrote:

> " An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:
> 5.7.1 <whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying denied.
> Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail
> preferences and try again."

> To recap a bit.  I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my
> ISPs network.  I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South
> account and some others too. 

Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their
network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the
network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your
network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your
Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email
address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail?


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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:27, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:29 -0600, Dale wrote:
> > " An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:
> > 5.7.1 <whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying denied.
> > Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail
> > preferences and try again."
> >
> > To recap a bit.  I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my
> > ISPs network.  I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South
> > account and some others too.
>
> Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their
> network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the
> network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your
> network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your
> Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email
> address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail?


Yup.  I get the same error even if I just switch desktops and don't even 
disconnect and reconnect my modem.  I have got the same error once or twice 
on the old OS with Kmail too.  It was just a few times though.

What gets me is this, I did a fresh install and copied over my /home directory 
and /etc as well.  Everything else was new.  It still does not work.

Here is the kicker.  On my new install, Mozilla will no longer open, just like 
on the old OS. 

I have a few questions that I would like you to think about.  I upgraded gcc, 
then upgraded KDE to 3.5 and had to upgrade my kernel when I did the KDE 
upgrade.  Can all that have something to do with this?  I'm considering doing 
another install and not  use the new gcc, a older kernel, and KDE 3.4 just to 
see if it would work then.

This is really wrecking my brain.  I have no clue what is wrong.  I booted the 
Gentoo CD and ran memtest86 and got several passes with not one single error.  
My CPU runs as cool as some with water cooling so I don't think this is 
hardware.  It's hard for me to beleive that I can have two drives from 
different manufacturors going out at the same time either.

Now to go back and answer Hollys email.

Any ideas?  Me clueless.

Dale
:-(
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:08, Holly Bostick wrote:

>
> About all I can ask at this point is:
>
> 1) what version of Mozilla are you using? What are your USE flags for
> your installation? Have you checked b.g.o or mozillazine
> (http://www.mozillazine.org/ ) to see if this is perhaps a known bug of
> your version of Mozilla? Have you tried upgrading (maybe it's a bug
> that's fixed in later versions)?

root@smoker ~ # emerge -pv mozilla

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2  +crypt -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java 
+ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft 
-mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint 0 kB

Total size of downloads: 0 kB
root@smoker ~ #


>
> 2) If you go to Edit=>Preferences=>Account Preferences=>Outgoing server
> (SMTP), is there more than one server listed, and is your ISP's server
> selected as "standard"? Like Iain, I had similar problems (a long time
> ago) when attempting to send mail via my home ISP from work, where we
> had a different ISP, which wouldn't work because I was logged into my
> work's mail server (of course), and not my home ISP's SMTP server, so my
> home ISP wasn't going to send my mail, since I wasn't an authorized user
> (not logged in). It's hard to believe that there isn't *some* problem
> with your SMTP settings that we're missing, though there is no error to
> be seen, and of course KMail is presumably set the same way, and *that*
> works....


Well, Mozilla won't even open now.  I do have it set up the same as Kmail 
though.  Just to make sure it was not a corrupt file or something, I created 
a brand new user and set it up.  Same error.  Kmail worked though.  


>
> 3) I'm wondering if this isn't a Mozilla problem; very curious as to
> whether Thunderbird would exhibit it as well. If you want to try it, you
> can use the same mail folders and settings as Mozilla, which I can
> quickly tell you how to set up (it's like 5 steps, if T-bird doesn't
> just offer to import the Mozilla settings for you) if you decide to try
> it. Also curious as to whether there's *any difference whatsoever*
> between your KMail settings and your Mozilla settings (yes, it's
> fine-toothed-comb time).


They are the same as far as email goes.  Mozilla worked for a good while until 
all this started.


>
> 4) I'm also wondering if this is a "local" problem (to a specific
> "outside" address), or a "general" problem (to any outside address).
> Have you tested mail to  multiple/different outside addresses, or just
> one? If just one, maybe that one is the problem. You can send me a test
> mail; I'm certainly outside your local network :-) .

I can not send email to anyone without exceedtech.net on the end.  My brother 
has a Bell South account and it won't go.  I have two Yahoo accounts, 
nothing.  I have a couple friends on other ISPs, lady friends LOL, and they 
are no go either.  Is it OK if I try to find someone to put up with me?  O_O  
It gets lonely with me, three servers and my broke desktop.  
>
> 5) It's a long shot, but is there any possibility that you're sending to
> an outside address to which your ISP will *not* relay, i.e. someplace
> that *cough* Homeland Security doesn't want you writing to (maybe you
> have a relative in the service, I don't know)? If there are such domains
> (and I'm sure there are), it's within the (distant, we hope) realm of
> possiblility that
> your ISP is being excessively cautious in order to avoid any spotlight
> of investigation falling on them.


Who me??  LOL  Most of them are within 300 miles of me.  The closest, I can 
use two cans and a piece of string.  My brother lives next door, country 
speaking for about ~700' away.


>
> 6) I don't know much (all right, anything) about sending command-line
> mail, but there must be a way to get a "traceroute" of a mail. Maybe
> somebody here knows how we could get some useful output about what
> happens when this mail pretends to relay itself for some reason.

I sent a ethreal thing to two people.  Maybe they went to bed.  ;-)  It is 
long so I don't want to put it on here.  This is one line though.

No.     Time        Source                Destination           Protocol Info
     15 8.045041    65.116.46.23          4.253.131.84          SMTP     
Response: 550 5.7.1 <nospamjunk2003@yahoo<dot>com>... Relaying denied


I put in the <dot> in the address.  That's my spaming email address at Yahoo, 
well, one of them.  


>
> That's a good idea. No matter what your ISP says, it still could be
> something fishy with them (Customer Service isn't always told every
> little detail about what's going on with the service, and they can't
> help you solve a problem they don't know about).
>
> HTH,
> Holly

I actually sent a email to the owner.  No idea and nobody else is having this 
trouble.  I don't think they would lie to me.  When they have problems with 
connections, they usually call and get me to try it.  Since Linux keeps 
better logs and all.  I have helped them a few times.  I also got them to set 
up a new account, same thing there.

OK.  I have messed with this long enough for now.  I have to take a nap.  If 
you all don't have a better plan, I'm starting a fresh install and keeping 
the old gcc, the old KDE 3.4 and my trusty old kernel.  When I changed those, 
the crap hit the fan, pretty soon after.

Don't burn up any gears, just help me fix this.  :-{

Thanks
Dale
:-)

Oh, I can't get the nvidia drivers to work on the new install either.  It 
loads the module but the GUI won't start when I change the xorg file.  I'm 
not sure what to make of that either.  I did recompile the kernel with the 
new gcc too.  That got me to where I could load the module.
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:43, Dale wrote:

>
> Well, Mozilla won't even open now.  


Well, you can add the binary version of Mozilla to the "Do Not Open" list.  It 
didn't work either.

I wonder how much crap I can mess up if I try to start a new install with my 
eyes half closed?  I have read where people do this while plastered, drunk is 
the word for some.

I'm at least going to take a nap.  Yall be good now, you here.

Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Holly Bostick]

Dale schreef:
> On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:43, Dale wrote:
> 
>> Well, Mozilla won't even open now.
> 
> 
> Well, you can add the binary version of Mozilla to the "Do Not Open" 
> list.  It didn't work either.
> 

Does anybody know if using the "ipv6" flag when you don't actually have
ipv6 available (from your ISP) might do something like this? Istr that I
had a lot of difficulties with Internet applications when I first
installed (because ipv6 is enabled by default) until I disabled it.

I'm really out of other ideas, since I can only imagine that this is a
Mozilla issue, and I can't imagine any issue that might have been caused
by a bad install (and which could be fixed by a reinstall) that would
not affect other such applications (so I have no idea what could
possibly be wrong).

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Richard Fish]

On 1/17/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:00, Richard Fish wrote:
> > find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep "mail.smtpserver" {} \;
>
> root@smoker / # find /mnt/gentoo/home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep
> "mail.smtpserver" {} \;
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method", 1);
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname", "mail.exceedtech.net");
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port", 25);
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl", 0);
> user_pref("mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username", "dalek");
> user_pref("mail.smtpservers", "smtp1");
> root@smoker / #


A "grep -i smtp" of the ethereal trace you sent me shows that you are
connecting to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23) from 4.253.131.84
(dialup-4.253.131.84.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net).  This doesn't look
right...if exceedtech.net is your ISP you should be getting an address
within their address space 65.116.(?).  Anyway this is why they think
you are relaying...you are not connecting from their network, and not
sending email to an exceedtech.net address.

Maybe you have something wrong in your dialup settings?  Or maybe you
can compare with what mail server KMail really contacts with an
ethereal trace?

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Richard Fish]

On 1/18/06, Richard Fish <bigfish@asmallpond.org> wrote:
> Maybe you have something wrong in your dialup settings?  Or maybe you
> can compare with what mail server KMail really contacts with an
> ethereal trace?

Oh, and post the output of "traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net".

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Eddie Mihalow Jr]

Dale wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:27, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:29 -0600, Dale wrote:
>>> " An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:
>>> 5.7.1 <whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying denied.
>>> Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail
>>> preferences and try again."
>>>
>>> To recap a bit.  I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my
>>> ISPs network.  I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South
>>> account and some others too.
>> Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their
>> network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the
>> network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your
>> network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your
>> Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email
>> address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail?
> 
> 
> Yup.  I get the same error even if I just switch desktops and don't even 
> disconnect and reconnect my modem.  I have got the same error once or twice 
> on the old OS with Kmail too.  It was just a few times though.
> 
> What gets me is this, I did a fresh install and copied over my /home directory 
> and /etc as well.  Everything else was new.  It still does not work.
> 
> Here is the kicker.  On my new install, Mozilla will no longer open, just like 
> on the old OS. 
> 
> I have a few questions that I would like you to think about.  I upgraded gcc, 
> then upgraded KDE to 3.5 and had to upgrade my kernel when I did the KDE 
> upgrade.  Can all that have something to do with this?  I'm considering doing 
> another install and not  use the new gcc, a older kernel, and KDE 3.4 just to 
> see if it would work then.
> 
> This is really wrecking my brain.  I have no clue what is wrong.  I booted the 
> Gentoo CD and ran memtest86 and got several passes with not one single error.  
> My CPU runs as cool as some with water cooling so I don't think this is 
> hardware.  It's hard for me to beleive that I can have two drives from 
> different manufacturors going out at the same time either.
> 
> Now to go back and answer Hollys email.
> 
> Any ideas?  Me clueless.
> 
> Dale
> :-(
Maybe try Firefox and Thunderbird as your browser and email client? 
Evidently something is
wrong with how Mozilla is configured and maybe deleting any and all 
/home/dale/.mozilla
folders is called for. Since you have already went through a new install 
and really did a good job of
trouble-shooting, I would say your email client is the problem and/or 
ISP. I have bellsouth
and have never had any of the problems you have encountered.

Happy Hacking,

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Gentoo! Linux
Registered Linux User#225662
New Orleans,LA
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:21:42 -0600, Dale wrote:

> > Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their
> > network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the
> > network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with
> > your network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to
> > your Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your
> > email address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail?
 
> Yup.  I get the same error even if I just switch desktops and don't
> even disconnect and reconnect my modem.  I have got the same error once
> or twice on the old OS with Kmail too.  It was just a few times though.
 
> What gets me is this, I did a fresh install and copied over my /home
> directory and /etc as well.  Everything else was new.  It still does
> not work.

If it's a configuration issue, you replaced everything but the cause of
the problem.


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Everything else being equal, fat people use more soap.

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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

Holly Bostick wrote:

>Dale schreef:
>  
>
>>On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:43, Dale wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Well, Mozilla won't even open now.
>>>      
>>>
>>Well, you can add the binary version of Mozilla to the "Do Not Open" 
>>list.  It didn't work either.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Does anybody know if using the "ipv6" flag when you don't actually have
>ipv6 available (from your ISP) might do something like this? Istr that I
>had a lot of difficulties with Internet applications when I first
>installed (because ipv6 is enabled by default) until I disabled it.
>
>I'm really out of other ideas, since I can only imagine that this is a
>Mozilla issue, and I can't imagine any issue that might have been caused
>by a bad install (and which could be fixed by a reinstall) that would
>not affect other such applications (so I have no idea what could
>possibly be wrong).
>
>Holly
>  
>

I'm still awake here.  I got Mozilla to work again in the OLD install.  
It's the binary version though.  I'm going to try to send this with 
Mozilla mail.

I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE 
or something.  Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e world, 
again?  Old install or new one?  I sort of like the old one if it were 
up to me.  LOL

OK.  I'm going to take a nap this time.  I can barely stay awake.  My 
bad typing is really kicking in too.

Thanks for the help everybody.  I would really like to figure this out 
so we will all learn something, the hard way looks like.

Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

Dale wrote:

>
>
> I'm still awake here.  I got Mozilla to work again in the OLD 
> install.  It's the binary version though.  I'm going to try to send 
> this with Mozilla mail.
>
> I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE 
> or something.  Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e 
> world, again?  Old install or new one?  I sort of like the old one if 
> it were up to me.  LOL
>
> OK.  I'm going to take a nap this time.  I can barely stay awake.  My 
> bad typing is really kicking in too.
>
> Thanks for the help everybody.  I would really like to figure this out 
> so we will all learn something, the hard way looks like.
>
> Dale
> :-)



OK, don't nobody complain.  These are coming from the binary version of 
Mozilla on my OLD install.  I'm not going to jump up and down yet either.

Can anybody find out when they added that ipv6 flag?  Is it compiled 
into the binary version of Mozilla?  I do not have any idea why this 
Mozilla decided to open.  I just thought I would try it one more time 
and it did.  I didn't do anything special either.  The compiled version 
does not work.  I tried it first.

Let's see if this one works.  Oh, My ISP opened a hour ago.  Makes me 
wonder.

< Dale says prayer that this works, again >

Dale

:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:53:52 -0600, Dale wrote:

> I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE 
> or something.  Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e world, 
> again?

There's no need to recompile *everything* for one changes USE flag,
"emerge -uavDN world" will re-emerge all affected packages.


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"Thou shalt not battle over operating systems. I am wise and in My wisdom
have created diverse and various operating systems."
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

Dale wrote:

>
>
> Let's see if this one works.  Oh, My ISP opened a hour ago.  Makes me 
> wonder.
>
> < Dale says prayer that this works, again >
>
> Dale
>
> :-)


OK, I sent one to a lady I recently broke up with.  Yes, we still talk, 
a lot.  LOL  Anyway, she has a Yahoo account.  It went through just 
fine.  No errors at all.  I even sent some pics, new lady.  LOL

I also sent one to my brothers Bell South account.  No errors there either.

OK.  Can someone tell my why my old Mozilla won't start up?  I'd really 
like to keep my old install.  Mozilla don't work in the new OS either so 
why not fix my old one.  o_O

I have got to take a nap.  Ya'll hang tight for a bit.  I usually sleep 
for a few hours at a time anyway.  Disabled remember?

Thanks for the help.  Don't ask what I did.  I dunno.

Dale
:-) :-)

This is from Mozilla too, binary version though.
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

Neil Bothwick wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:53:52 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE 
>>or something.  Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e world, 
>>again?
>>    
>>
>
>There's no need to recompile *everything* for one changes USE flag,
>"emerge -uavDN world" will re-emerge all affected packages.
>
>
>  
>
Since something is really screwed up here, I was going to cover all my 
bases.  It's letting me send email at the moment.  I'm not sure how long 
though.  I'm just emailing everybody in my list while I can.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:20:09 -0600, Dale wrote:

> Since something is really screwed up here, I was going to cover all my 
> bases.

The problem with that approach is that you don't know what the problem
was or how you fixed it, so what do you do if it happens again? It's like
the Windows "if something goes wrong, reinstall" mentality.

> It's letting me send email at the moment. I'm not sure how
> long though.  I'm just emailing everybody in my list while I can.

If it works and then stops working without you making any changes, it
sounds like a fault at your ISP's end.


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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Michael Sullivan]

On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 00:05 -0600, Dale wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> >
> > Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg
> > mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`.  (dig is part of  For your ip
> > address, I'm interested in your "real" world ip, but don't post it
> > here!!  ifconfig will get it IFF your using a modem, or pci-adsl, but if
> > you have a networked modem/router, you'll need to connect to its status
> > page to see what ip address you have.
> 
> Is dig a command?  I don't have it if it is.  Keep in mind that I CAN send 
> email just not to anyone outside my ISP and only with Mozilla.  Kmail WILL 
> send email on both OSs.  I did get a error sometimes but Mozilla is 
> consistant about his one.  BTW, I did do a emerge -C mozilla and back up one 
> version, still nothing.  I have not done the older version on the new install 
> though.  I can if you want me too.
> 
> >
> > They should be similar, however many isps have a few ip addresses that
> > may not be ranged together.
> >
> > Looking at your other posts though, I don't know that this will help...
> >
> 
> > really?  hmmm...
> >
> > I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works.  Can you look
> > through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for
> > sending mail?
> 
> I did have to put in my password for Kmail.  I think they do the same way.  
> It's just that Mozilla don't work is all.  Well, on this OS, Mozilla won't 
> even open.  But it won't email on my new OS either.  If this confuses you, 
> let me know.  I'll post a better explaination.
> 
> 
> >
> > Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal.  Make a capture
> > filter so you don't get other junk, eg "host mail.exceedtech.net" and
> > then post the text-capture here.  Your isp may be giving out a different
> > error which kmail is "translating" for you...
> >
> > post back if you need more help with ethereal.
> 
> I did capture some data with ethereal before.  I'm going to try to do that 
> from my new install.  I'm in my old install right now.  I'm not sure why 
> though.  Habit I guess.  I can't capture it here because Mozilla no longer 
> works at all on this OS.
> 
> Oh, what is UPSMON called now?  I need to install it on my new OS but I can't 
> find it.  Even emerge -s ups didn't return it.  Did they remove it?
> 
> I'm going to boot the new OS, install ethereal then post from there, if I can.  
> LOL
> 
> Seriously, thanks for the help here.  I'm totally lost.  This is just to weird 
> for me.  I hope I am making sense.
> 
> Dale
> :-)

dig belongs to bind-tools.  It's in portage...

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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Willie Wong]

On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 01:45:22AM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
> I have the same setting I use for Kmail actually.  server is 
> mail.exceedtech.net on port 25.  It is set to use user name and password and 
> secure connection is set to no.   I tried the others, it puked on me.  
> 
> Keep in mind that I can send to say info@exceedtech<dot>net just fine.  I can 
> send to people that work there as well, even the owner.  I can even email 
> myself.  It is just when I try to send to someone else outside exceedtech 
> that it fails.  I can see it connect and the data going over ppp on gkrellm 
> and all.  I just keep getting that error.
> 
> Kmail seems to work great on the new install.  I can send to anybody with it.
> 
> Confusing huh????
> 

You can get the HELO from the mail server, and send mail to users on
your ISP's network, so that probably means that the outgoing part of
your setting is correct. But you still get a 'relay not permitted'
message and behaviour typical of ISPs blocking outgoing spam. 

Hum, is there a place in Mozilla to set your name/alias that goes in
the "From" field for an e-mail? Can you double check that to see if
you made a typo in the e-mail address or something? Sometimes ISPs
reject mails sent to be relayed by their servers that neither
originate nor end on their servers. 

HTH, 

W
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Arthur said, `So which way do I go?'
`Down,' said Fenchurch, `on this occaision.'
He moved his hand.
`Down,' she said, `is in fact the other way.'
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale Kirkley]

> 
> If it works and then stops working without you making any changes, it
> sounds like a fault at your ISP's end.
> 
> -- 
> Neil Bothwick
> 

Well, here is a update.  I took me a nap.  That helped me.  When I got up, I
can't even connect to the internet at all now.  I called my ISP, they're dead.
 They are trying to figure out what went wrong.  I took them the ethreal
report for sending email and the error from when I tried to connect.

It's sort of funny in a way.  I sent them a email this past weekend that they
needed to check more on their end.  We have ran into this before, I have
trouble and a few days later you have a meltdown.  Maybe next time, they will
listen a bit more.

Now that all I get when I call their number is a busy signal, they are working
on it.

I also got Mozilla, the compiled version, to work in my old install too.  I
went and looked at the emerge log in the new install and emerged all the
things it emerged in the old install.  It opens every time now.  So my old
install is now my current install.  I don't feel like messing with configuring
all the stuff in the new install.

I'm at my brothers at the moment.  This is what I like about us having
different ISPs.  Usually one of us is up and running.

I'll keep you posted.  Maybe they will get it fixed soon.  I missed Mozilla
but at least I had something.  Now I have to go to my brothers.

Thanks for all the help.  You have kept me sane this far anyway.

Dale
:-)

Oh, I had to log ingto the website to send this.  Something is working at my
ISP.  LOL


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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:32, Neil Bothwick wrote:

>
> If it's a configuration issue, you replaced everything but the cause of
> the problem.

Excellant point.  Things have turned around a lot now I think.  My ISP was 
having some !problems! today.  They were calling !me! to tell them the error 
stuff because windoze would only tell them it was unable to connect but mine 
tells why.  So instead of me calling them so much, thay are calling me some 
now.

They did get it to where I can connect to the internet again.  I still have to 
use Kmail though to send anything.  At least I don't have to go to my 
brothers to get on the net.  It's bad enough using Kmail to talk to my 
ladies.  LOL

I fixed Mozilla on my OLD install.  It opens now.  I can get new messages with 
it at least.  This is the info for it:

root@smoker / # emerge -pv mozilla

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2  +crypt -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java 
+ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft 
-mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint 0 kB

Total size of downloads: 0 kB
root@smoker / #


I'm not sure what that ipv6 is for.  I put -ipv6 in the USE line of make.conf 
and it is still there.  How do I disable that thing?   I ask because I 
noticed this with Kmail:

root@smoker / # emerge -pv kmail

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kmail-3.5.0-r3  +arts -debug -kdeenablefinal 
-kdexdeltas -xinerama 0 kB

Total size of downloads: 0 kB
root@smoker / #   

NO ipv6 there.  

I was told that management would be calling me in the morning to try to figure 
out my email issue.  I may take my computer up there and just let them look 
at it, without the root password of course.  I would still be driving my 
rig.  ;-)

If anybody has any ideas, I'm open to them.  I'm really starting to think this 
is a ISP problem though.  I thought it was before but I'm really thinking it 
now.

I'll keep you posted.

Dale
:-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:20, Richard Fish wrote:

>
> A "grep -i smtp" of the ethereal trace you sent me shows that you are
> connecting to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23) from 4.253.131.84
> (dialup-4.253.131.84.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net).  This doesn't look
> right...if exceedtech.net is your ISP you should be getting an address
> within their address space 65.116.(?).  Anyway this is why they think
> you are relaying...you are not connecting from their network, and not
> sending email to an exceedtech.net address.
>
> Maybe you have something wrong in your dialup settings?  Or maybe you
> can compare with what mail server KMail really contacts with an
> ethereal trace?
>
> -Richard


I noticed the address looked "funny" too.  They change it all the time though.  
You should have seen it when the hurricane hit and knocked out New Orleans.  
O_O

I'm sending you a new ethreal that I used to send email with Kmail to the same 
address as the last one.  Maybe you can notice something there.

Thanks much for the help.  If nothing else, maybe you can tell me what to tell 
them to fix.  I think they are listening more after the mess today.  My ISP 
is not huge but they are not tiny either.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:22, Richard Fish wrote:
> traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net

Usually traceroute does not work.  They block it somewhere and I get a but 
****** stuff.  Anyway, this one worked, for once.

root@smoker / # traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net
traceroute to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
 1  63.152.9.43  121.969 ms  120.002 ms  123.893 ms
 2  63.152.43.189  123.963 ms  119.943 ms  119.958 ms
 3  63.152.126.13  156.027 ms  159.922 ms  155.967 ms
 4  205.171.31.9  155.920 ms  156.014 ms  159.886 ms
 5  205.171.8.146  175.994 ms  179.910 ms  176.014 ms
 6  205.171.21.62  179.964 ms  175.912 ms  179.924 ms
 7  65.116.32.158  208.034 ms  203.868 ms  207.972 ms
 8  65.116.46.23  215.944 ms  211.945 ms  211.980 ms
root@smoker / #    

That help any?  That's a lot of hops for me to be connected to their server 
huh?

I see what you are saying though.  It would be like if I connected with the 
modem to my brother's Bell South account and tried to send exceedtech email.  
Bell South may not want to handle what is exceedtech's data, basically.  
Which may be a good thing to fight spam but it is not right now.  I'm not a 
spammer, I just talk a lot.  LOL

Maybe I can explain this to them in the morning.  Maybe they will fix this 
thing already.  I'm going nuts here.

Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 09:58, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>
> dig belongs to bind-tools.  It's in portage...

We may need it before it is over.  :/

Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Richard Fish]

On 1/18/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:22, Richard Fish wrote:
> > traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net
>
> Usually traceroute does not work.  They block it somewhere and I get a but
> ****** stuff.  Anyway, this one worked, for once.

Tell them to cut that sh*t out.  Traceroute is far too useful of a
debugging tool to be blocked by your ISP.  Ok, so they don't want ICMP
flooding...there are better ways of recognizing and defending against
this...

> root@smoker / # traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net
> traceroute to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
>  1  63.152.9.43  121.969 ms  120.002 ms  123.893 ms
>  2  63.152.43.189  123.963 ms  119.943 ms  119.958 ms
>  3  63.152.126.13  156.027 ms  159.922 ms  155.967 ms
>  4  205.171.31.9  155.920 ms  156.014 ms  159.886 ms
>  5  205.171.8.146  175.994 ms  179.910 ms  176.014 ms
>  6  205.171.21.62  179.964 ms  175.912 ms  179.924 ms

This is crazy...this is all on QWest's network.  Was this from your
home, or from your brother's house?  Because it looks like you are
still connecting through someone else's network!

Maybe your first question to ask is whether exceedtech has their own
access numbers, or whether they lease them from other companies.  That
is the only reason I can think of you would have a level-3 address in
the morning, and a qwest address in the evening!

> That help any?  That's a lot of hops for me to be connected to their server
> huh?

The number of hops doesn't bother me...but the fact that you don't
start out on an exceed.net address does.  Here is what I get on Cox:

carcharias rjf # traceroute smtp.west.cox.net
traceroute to smtp.west.cox.net (68.6.19.4), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
 1  192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1)  1.151 ms  1.092 ms  1.087 ms
 2  10.117.128.1 (10.117.128.1)  9.290 ms  8.108 ms  11.160 ms
 3  ip68-2-6-93.ph.ph.cox.net (68.2.6.93)  33.443 ms  9.608 ms  15.850 ms
 4  68.2.13.94 (68.2.13.94)  15.123 ms  10.373 ms  16.376 ms
 5  68.2.13.9 (68.2.13.9)  8.174 ms  20.969 ms  15.987 ms
 6  68.2.13.5 (68.2.13.5)  12.353 ms  11.337 ms  16.227 ms
 7  * 68.2.13.1 (68.2.13.1)  12.494 ms  10.503 ms
 8  68.2.14.65 (68.2.14.65)  43.162 ms  11.696 ms  14.463 ms
 9  chndbbrc01-pos0103.rd.ph.cox.net (68.1.0.240)  9.944 ms  11.977 ms
chndbbrc01-pos0101.rd.ph.cox.net (68.1.0.164)  17.020 ms
10  fed1bbrc02-pos0102.rd.sd.cox.net (68.1.0.167)  20.230 ms  19.743
ms  20.047 ms
11  fed1dsrj02-so000.rd.sd.cox.net (68.1.0.207)  20.614 ms  18.560 ms  20.005 ms
12  68.6.8.198 (68.6.8.198)  29.634 ms  18.571 ms  19.673 ms
13  172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1)  25.442 ms  17.996 ms  20.621 ms
14  172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1)  24.843 ms  18.762 ms  18.625 ms
15  172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1)  21.634 ms  17.584 ms  21.471 ms
16  172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1)  23.933 ms  17.406 ms  19.978 ms
17  172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1)  21.458 ms  21.400 ms  18.633 ms
18  172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1)  27.909 ms  19.177 ms  21.069 ms
....

Ok, ignore the crazy routing loop at the end.  The point is that after
my firewall/gateway (192.168.2.1), and the modem (10.117.128.1), I am
on cox's network.

> I see what you are saying though.  It would be like if I cnnected with the
> modem to my brother's Bell South account and tried to send exceedtech email.
> Bell South may not want to handle what is exceedtech's data, basically.

Close...it would be more accurate to say that exceedtech doesn't want
bellsouth customers spoofing addresses and using exceedtech's mail
server.

> Maybe I can explain this to them in the morning.  Maybe they will fix this
> thing already.  I'm going nuts here.

Well, I think I can at least explain why KMail works and Mozilla
fails.  From the traces you sent me, kmail performs the following
exchange:

~/Desktop > grep SMTP ethereal-kmail
Response: 220 mirus.exceedtech.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed,
18 Jan 2006 Command: EHLO
0-1pool99-184.nas1.columbus1.ms.us.da.qwest.net
Response: 250-mirus.exceedtech.net Hello
0-1pool99-184.nas1.columbus1.ms.us.da.qwest.net [65.136.99.184],
pleased to meet you
Command: MAIL FROM:<dalek@exceedtech.net> SIZE=363
Response: 250 2.1.0 <dalek@exceedtech.net>... Sender ok
Message Body
Response: 250 2.0.0 k0J39ewT002685 Message accepted for delivery
Command: QUIT
Response: 221 2.0.0 mirus.exceedtech.net closing connection

While mozilla does:
Response: 220 mirus.exceedtech.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed,
18 Jan 2006 00:39:11 -0600\r\n
Command: EHLO [4.253.131.84]
Response: 250-mirus.exceedtech.net Hello
dialup-4.253.131.84.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [4.253.131.84], pleased
to meet you
Command: MAIL FROM:<dalek@exceedtech.net> SIZE=382
Response: 250 2.1.0 <dalek@exceedtech.net>... Sender ok
Command: RCPT TO:<nospamjunk2003@yahoo.com>
Response: 550 5.7.1 <nospamjunk2003@yahoo.com>... Relaying denied

Notice that mozilla actuall tells the mail server who you are sending
mail to, while kmail does not, and it is that command that actually
triggers the "Relaying denied".

I'm not sure what you can do about this...it isn't wrong to send the
RCPT TO command, so it doesn't seem to be a bug in mozilla.  Possibly
if you give this information (and maybe the ethereal traces) to
exceedtech, they may be able to modify their mail server's
configuration to compensate.  Or you could try thunderbird...

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Glenn Enright]

On Thursday 19 January 2006 05:41, Willie Wong wrote:
> Hum, is there a place in Mozilla to set your name/alias that goes in
> the "From" field for an e-mail? Can you double check that to see if
> you made a typo in the e-mail address or something? Sometimes ISPs
> reject mails sent to be relayed by their servers that neither
> originate nor end on their servers.
>

Some ISPs may also require your alias to be a specific thing, eg your real 
name, or the same as your email address. Silly but true.

-- 
<JFMuggs> I have a package that is distributed from the website as: 
 SciPy-0.2.0_alpha_200.4161_src.tar.gz
<JFMuggs> what's a sane way to name the ebuild for it?
<ciaranm> JFMuggs: got a baseball bat and a rusty nail?
<JFMuggs> ciaranm: that's not nice to do to people who are writing the 
 code I need
<JFMuggs> besides, klieber already suggested the moral equivalent 8)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 22:10, Glenn Enright wrote:

>
> Some ISPs may also require your alias to be a specific thing, eg your real
> name, or the same as your email address. Silly but true.
>


Can you tell me where this is?  I read off to my ISP what I have in my 
settings and they said it was correct.  Thing is, it works in Kmail, same 
settings too.  That is what is so confusing to me, maybe everybody else too.  

I sent Richard a file with the data I captured with ethereal.  Maybe he will 
see something.  It's pretty large to post here.

Me running out of ideas.  Maybe they will help fix it tomorrow.

Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 22:04, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 1/18/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:22, Richard Fish wrote:
> > > traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net
> >
> > Usually traceroute does not work.  They block it somewhere and I get a
> > but ****** stuff.  Anyway, this one worked, for once.
>
> Tell them to cut that sh*t out.  Traceroute is far too useful of a
> debugging tool to be blocked by your ISP.  Ok, so they don't want ICMP
> flooding...there are better ways of recognizing and defending against
> this...

Me agrees with that but it is blocked above them and they can't get them to 
stop it.  It does tick me off sometimes too.



>
> > root@smoker / # traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net
> > traceroute to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte
> > packets 1  63.152.9.43  121.969 ms  120.002 ms  123.893 ms
> >  2  63.152.43.189  123.963 ms  119.943 ms  119.958 ms
> >  3  63.152.126.13  156.027 ms  159.922 ms  155.967 ms
> >  4  205.171.31.9  155.920 ms  156.014 ms  159.886 ms
> >  5  205.171.8.146  175.994 ms  179.910 ms  176.014 ms
> >  6  205.171.21.62  179.964 ms  175.912 ms  179.924 ms
>
> This is crazy...this is all on QWest's network.  Was this from your
> home, or from your brother's house?  Because it looks like you are
> still connecting through someone else's network!

Well, one thing has changed since this morning.  They appear to have had a 
meltdown.  They said they were having trouble with everybody when I called 
after my nap.  I was here at home but they did give me a new number to dial 
in too.  That may explain something.

< snip >


I'm not sure either.  It sounds like Mozilla is doing what it should be doing 
and Kmail is not, if you look at it from the point of preventing spoofing and 
all.  I'll point this out to them tomorrow.
>
> I'm not sure what you can do about this...it isn't wrong to send the
> RCPT TO command, so it doesn't seem to be a bug in mozilla.  Possibly
> if you give this information (and maybe the ethereal traces) to
> exceedtech, they may be able to modify their mail server's
> configuration to compensate.  Or you could try thunderbird...
>
> -Richard


I like Mozilla so that I can right click on a link in a email and open it in a 
new tab instead of having 20 windows open at a time.  I hate clutter in my 
puter.  ;-)  I tried Thunderbird once, wasn't for me.  It may be better than 
Kmail but not that much.

Will keep advised on what happens in the morning though.

Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Iain Buchanan]

Hi again,

sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday - I took my hard drive out last
night and replaced it with a new one (plus a fresh install) and I only
got it back up this morning.

I think the traceroute and ethereal are the two leads to follow here:

1. why are you dialling into exceedtech but getting an ip address on the
QWest network (according to Richard Fish - well spotted!)

and 

2. what is your mozilla setting:
"Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings" > "Outgoing Server (SMTP)" > "Use
name and password" (is it ticked or not?) and what is the "Server Name"?

Also,  wrt to mozilla itself not starting - a) did you start it from the
terminal or from a menu launcher?  b) If from the terminal, did you get
any output?  c) Do you get the prompt back? d) What happens when you do
`ps aux | grep mozilla` while mozilla is in it's "won't start" phase?.

HTH,
-- 
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Wednesday 18 January 2006 23:33, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday - I took my hard drive out last
> night and replaced it with a new one (plus a fresh install) and I only
> got it back up this morning.
>
> I think the traceroute and ethereal are the two leads to follow here:
>
> 1. why are you dialling into exceedtech but getting an ip address on the
> QWest network (according to Richard Fish - well spotted!)


I think my ISP is just second handing their accounts.  I picked up on this 
before when I was having trouble connecting a good while back.  The email 
server IS theirs though.  The rest belongs to some other company, I think.  I 
may be wrong.



>
> and
>
> 2. what is your mozilla setting:
> "Mail & Newsgroups Account Settings" > "Outgoing Server (SMTP)" > "Use
> name and password" (is it ticked or not?) and what is the "Server Name"?



I read off to my ISP what I have it set to.  They said it is correct.  I'll 
shoot you a screenshot to you directly, if I don't forget.  I do that too 
sometimes.  May need to remind me.  LOL



>
> Also,  wrt to mozilla itself not starting - a) did you start it from the
> terminal or from a menu launcher?  b) If from the terminal, did you get
> any output?  c) Do you get the prompt back? d) What happens when you do
> `ps aux | grep mozilla` while mozilla is in it's "won't start" phase?.
>
> HTH,
> --
> Iain.


I tried starting it from both the menu and from a Konsole.  I was reading a 
thread about someone getting gnome stuff of their system.  Holly mentioned 
that Mozilla needed some gnome stuff to work.  I removed a lot of gnome stuff 
just before Mozilla stop opening.  I fixed this by doing this:  I did a fresh 
install the other day.  After I emerged kde-meta, I emerged mozilla.  I 
noticed there were about 8 or 9 other packages that were pulled in.  I got 
curious.  After I booted into the OLD OS, I mounted the partition of the NEW 
install and went digging in the emerge log.  I picked out the packages that 
it installed and then installed them on my OLD OS.  After that, Mozilla works 
fine.  Most likely, I unmerged something that Mozilla needed.  Oh, 
revdep-rebuild did NOT catch it either.  I'm not sure if it should, just 
saying it didn't.

My Mozilla works fine now so that is not a problem.  It does not send email 
though, well, unless it is to myself.  LOL

I'm supposed to talk to my ISP tomorrow.  I'll let you guys know what happens.

Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:05:12 -0600, Dale wrote:

> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild   R   ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2  +crypt -debug +gnome
> +ipv6 +java +ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc
> -moznomail -moznoxft -mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint
> 0 kB

> I'm not sure what that ipv6 is for.  I put -ipv6 in the USE line of
> make.conf and it is still there.  How do I disable that thing?   I ask
> because I noticed this with Kmail:

Do you have ipv6 in /etc/portage/package.use? does it show up in
emerge --info?

> root@smoker / # emerge -pv kmail
> 
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild   R   ] kde-base/kmail-3.5.0-r3  +arts -debug -kdeenablefinal 
> -kdexdeltas -xinerama 0 kB
> 
> Total size of downloads: 0 kB
> root@smoker / #   
> 
> NO ipv6 there.  

KMail is just the mail program, KDE's networking functions are
centralised in libraries shared between all the programs.


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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

OK, some of this is getting out of order here.  I changed the flag in my
USE to -ipv6.  I then recompiled the programs that it changed on.  It
was Mozilla and a couple others as well that Mozilla uses.  If you get
this it is working, for the moment any way.  It did work earlier to but
then stopped when I reconnected. 

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but it was worth a try. 
I played a game of Solitaire while it was working on it.  LOL

I'll keep you posted.  Now to find some people that I can send email to
and not get mad at me.  Any volunteers??

Thanks.

Dale
:-)

Oh, somewhere along the way this thing popped up.  When I hit compose or
reply, a line comes up for "reply to".  It didn't use to do that and I
usually delete it.  How do I make it go away?  It bugs me.
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Thursday 19 January 2006 06:38, Dale wrote:
> OK, some of this is getting out of order here.  I changed the flag in my
> USE to -ipv6.  I then recompiled the programs that it changed on.  It
> was Mozilla and a couple others as well that Mozilla uses.  If you get
> this it is working, for the moment any way.  It did work earlier to but
> then stopped when I reconnected.
>
> I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but it was worth a try.
> I played a game of Solitaire while it was working on it.  LOL
>
> I'll keep you posted.  Now to find some people that I can send email to
> and not get mad at me.  Any volunteers??
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)
>
> Oh, somewhere along the way this thing popped up.  When I hit compose or
> reply, a line comes up for "reply to".  It didn't use to do that and I
> usually delete it.  How do I make it go away?  It bugs me.


OK.  I got a couple volunteers.  I sent one of them a email then disconnected.  
After I got reconnected, Mozilla gives me a error.  I'm in Kmail again.

I have one thing I'm going to tell my ISP.  Fix this or I'm getting another 
ISP.  Ever since the hurricane it has been going downhill, fast.  I have five 
numbers for them and can only connect to one of them and it is VERY slow, 
only 24K.  I usually get 28K or so.  My emerge sync took half again as long 
to do last night.

Thanks for the help.  I'm 99% sure this is a ISP problem since it works 
sometimes and then stops after a reconnect.  What you folks think?

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[John Jolet]

On Jan 19, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Dale wrote:

> On Thursday 19 January 2006 06:38, Dale wrote:
>> OK, some of this is getting out of order here.  I changed the flag  
>> in my
>> USE to -ipv6.  I then recompiled the programs that it changed on.  It
>> was Mozilla and a couple others as well that Mozilla uses.  If you  
>> get
>> this it is working, for the moment any way.  It did work earlier  
>> to but
>> then stopped when I reconnected.
>>
>> I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but it was worth a  
>> try.
>> I played a game of Solitaire while it was working on it.  LOL
>>
>> I'll keep you posted.  Now to find some people that I can send  
>> email to
>> and not get mad at me.  Any volunteers??
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Oh, somewhere along the way this thing popped up.  When I hit  
>> compose or
>> reply, a line comes up for "reply to".  It didn't use to do that  
>> and I
>> usually delete it.  How do I make it go away?  It bugs me.
>
>
> OK.  I got a couple volunteers.  I sent one of them a email then  
> disconnected.
> After I got reconnected, Mozilla gives me a error.  I'm in Kmail  
> again.
>
> I have one thing I'm going to tell my ISP.  Fix this or I'm getting  
> another
> ISP.  Ever since the hurricane it has been going downhill, fast.  I  
> have five
> numbers for them and can only connect to one of them and it is VERY  
> slow,
> only 24K.  I usually get 28K or so.  My emerge sync took half again  
> as long
> to do last night.
>
> Thanks for the help.  I'm 99% sure this is a ISP problem since it  
> works
> sometimes and then stops after a reconnect.  What you folks think?
I think you need a new isp.

>
> Dale
> :-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

On Thursday 19 January 2006 07:14, John Jolet wrote:

> I think you need a new isp.
>



Don't tempt me.  I did a google search last night and the one that actually 
supports Linux doesn't have any local numbers.  I tried to connect to my 
brothers Bell South the other night and it won't let me connect with his 
username/password.  It gives me a strange error.  I know they use windoze for 
their servers and they don't support Linux either.  Well, they don't say they 
do anyway.

My current ISP uses Linux, at least for their email server anyway.  I'm not 
sure about the actual modem connection since they move it around so much.

They open in about 30 minutes too.  They will be working on this today unless 
the world ends.

Thanks for the help.

Dale
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RE: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Michael Kintzios]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale [mailto:dalek@exceedtech.net] 
> Sent: 19 January 2006 04:56
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send 
> email. Same error too.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday 18 January 2006 22:10, Glenn Enright wrote:
> 
> >
> > Some ISPs may also require your alias to be a specific 
> thing, eg your real
> > name, or the same as your email address. Silly but true.
> >
> 
> 
> Can you tell me where this is?  I read off to my ISP what I 
> have in my 
> settings and they said it was correct.  Thing is, it works in 
> Kmail, same 
> settings too.  That is what is so confusing to me, maybe 
> everybody else too.  

Kmail has a tab under its settings which you can use to test what
authentication method the mailserver responds to.  It starts from the
most secure and works its way down the list until the server gives a
positive response.  It may be worth checking that security tab in Kmail
(or whatever it is called - not at a Linux machine right now) and use
the same method with Mozilla.  Some ISP's could tighten up their SMTP
policies and mailserver implementation without providing explicit
instructions to their users.

Things can get more complicated when ISP's start acquiring each other's
business and try to amalgamate their mailserver addresses.
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.

[Dale]

Dale Kirkley wrote:

>
>
>I'll keep you posted.  Maybe they will get it fixed soon.  I missed Mozilla
>but at least I had something.  Now I have to go to my brothers.
>
>Thanks for all the help.  You have kept me sane this far anyway.
>
>Dale
>:-)
>
>Oh, I had to log ingto the website to send this.  Something is working at my
>ISP.  LOL
>
>
>  
>

Here is another update.  I talked to my ISP a lot today.  They called
someone in to help them with it.  They are having serious trouble with
everybody in my town and in some other towns as well.  I took them a
copy of what ethereal got from one email send that errored out and one
where it worked fine.  After a while I could not connect at all.  They
fixed that.  It was a god awful slow connection.  Keep in mind I only
get 26.4K on a good day.  Every once in a while I connect and it is
fast, as fast as I get anyway, and I CAN send email wth Mozilla.  I can
disconnect and reconnect again and it is slow and I can't send email
again.  Later on it works again.

They are working on it though.  I can tell I am not the only one because
the best way to get in touch with them is over email.  The phone lines
are busy, a LOT.

The guy that I talk to is really giving that ethereal report a serious
looking over.  They are trying but they say I seem to be having the most
trouble.  Right now, I am connected at 28.8K, which is really good for
me, and I can send email.  This should be from Mozilla.

I just wish I had a second phone line so I didn't have to disconnect. 
I'll be so sad if I get a bad one again.

Thanks for the help folks.  Maybe things are going to get better.  The
guy has been here a couple days now.  Maybe he is making progress. 

Oh, I think it freaked him out when I told him I was connecting to Qwest
instead of to them.  I guess he didn't think we could find these things
out.  LOL

While I am at it.  Is there a GOOD place to go for them to research
errors?  They had never even heard of google for Linux,
www.google.com/linux before.  They use Redhat according to netcraft and
what they tell me.  Maybe they have a heavy duty forum somewhere for
Redhat.  A good place to download some good config files may help too. 
I did that with iptables and it worked great for me.  I still don't
understand what it did though.

That's the update for now.  I may take another nap.  This is making me
tired.

Dale
:-)

I hope it will let me send this with Mozilla.  < crosses fingers >
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