[gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale Kirkley]

Hi guys and Holly,  ;-)

I use Mozilla for browsing and email.  Last night for some reason it stopped 
sending email but it does give me a error.  This is it:

" An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 
<whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying denied. Please 
verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try 
again."

That's it.  It don't send anything but it receives the new emails fine.  My 
ISP says they have not heard from anyone else on this.  I set up Kmail, < 
pukes> LOL, and it works fine.  It downloads and will let me send emails like 
usual.  That is how I am sending this.  At least that is the hope anyway.

One thing I have noticed, I can send email to my ISP, the info address or 
someone that works there.  I can not send to Yahoo, gmail or this list from 
Mozilla.  I can go to their website and login there and it works fine too, 
just like Kmail.

I'm not much on Kmail so someone please help me figure out what is wrong with 
Mozilla mail.

I use KDE 3.5 but run stable on everything else.  I have not upgraded anything 
that I know of that should even remotely affect this.

Any ideas?  This could make me shut down my rig.  I'm not big on Kmail at all.

OK.  BIG UPDATE.  I tried to send this from Kmail and got the same error. 
Kmail DOES NOT work either.  I am having to send this through my ISPs website,
which sucks.  I did a copy and paste for the rest of this email.

Thanks for the help.  Please help.  :-(

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Ghislain Bourgeois]

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On 1/12/06, Dale Kirkley <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:

> I use Mozilla for browsing and email.  Last night for some reason it
> stopped
> sending email but it does give me a error.  This is it:
>


Did you update Mozilla recently? Because if kmail works, I don't know of
anything else that could cause that trouble.

Ghislain Bourgeois

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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Thursday 12 January 2006 16:02, Ghislain Bourgeois wrote:
> On 1/12/06, Dale Kirkley <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
> > I use Mozilla for browsing and email.  Last night for some reason it
> > stopped
> > sending email but it does give me a error.  This is it:
>
> Did you update Mozilla recently? Because if kmail works, I don't know of
> anything else that could cause that trouble.
>
> Ghislain Bourgeois

Funny you mention that because Kmail is giving me fits too.  This is hopefully 
from Kmail.  HOPEFULLY.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Matthias Bethke]

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Hi Eric,
on Thursday, 2006-01-12 at 14:35:52, you wrote:
> Yup, it's Kmail.  What setup do you use for sending mail?  Some ISPs have 
> configs that block port 25 from being used for third party servers.  Could be 
> they put in a port blocker recently, and you're just one of the few people 
> who are having problems with it.

That would be my guess as well, I had this problem before. I think it
was that I invented a domainname for the machine that only had a dialup
connection anyway, and that was what it sent in the SMTP HELO. Somebody
at the ISP's thought refusing "aliens" in the HELO phase was a good
idea against spam but they didn't tell the support people about it so
they insisted that nothing was changed. tcpdump helped.

cheers!
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 04:54, Matthias Bethke wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
>
>
> That would be my guess as well, I had this problem before. I think it
> was that I invented a domainname for the machine that only had a dialup
> connection anyway, and that was what it sent in the SMTP HELO. Somebody
> at the ISP's thought refusing "aliens" in the HELO phase was a good
> idea against spam but they didn't tell the support people about it so
> they insisted that nothing was changed. tcpdump helped.
>
> cheers!
> 	Matthias


Well, I can't even get Mozilla to open any more.  I even created a new user 
from scratch and it still will not start.  I downloaded a new snapshot and am 
about to start a new install.  I don't even know where to start to fix this 
one.  It started out I couldn't get email, then Mozilla won't even start and 
I'm not sure what will break next.

At least I have a second hard drive to do this install on.  It shouldn't take 
to long to start over.  This is the error I get when I try to start Mozilla 
from a Konsole:

dale@smoker / $ mozilla
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

xdpyinfo:  unable to open display ":0".
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

Unable to connect to X server
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified


(mozilla-bin:14954): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
mozilla-bin exited with non-zero status (1)
dale@smoker / $        

This is so weird though.  I'm in Kmail at the moment.  Any ideas?  I'm about 
to start a new install.

Thanks
Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Holly Bostick]

Dale wrote:
> 
> 
> Well, I can't even get Mozilla to open any more.  I even created a
> new user from scratch and it still will not start.  I downloaded a
> new snapshot and am about to start a new install.

I've never seen someone so eager to reinstall for so little.

Honestly.... Mozilla won't start, so you're reinstalling  the entire OS?
How... Windows-like.

> I don't even know where to start to fix this one.

First thing you might want to do is

killall -9 mozilla-bin

I have often found that if Moz (or Firefox) crashes, the process is
still running, and therefore new instances won't open.

Look in kdesysguard (or whatever the KDE System Monitor is called), or
top, and you might see some 5 instances of mozilla-bin are already
running (invisibly).

Kill those, and  Mozilla may well start. Whether your problem will be
solved is another question, but we'll come to that, if not.


HTH,
Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 05:58, Holly Bostick wrote:

>
> Kill those, and  Mozilla may well start. Whether your problem will be
> solved is another question, but we'll come to that, if not.
>
>
> HTH,
> Holly


That would make sense.  I killed the processes that were running and still get 
this:

root@smoker / # ps aux | grep mozilla
root     15724  0.0  0.0   1572   484 pts/6    S+   06:11   0:00 grep mozilla
root@smoker / # su dale
dale@smoker / $ mozilla
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified

xdpyinfo:  unable to open display ":0".
No running windows found
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified


(mozilla-bin:15746): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
mozilla-bin exited with non-zero status (1)
dale@smoker / $      

Still no workey.  My reinstall does sound windozy like but it also reminds me 
of Mandrake 9.1 too.  I just don't know where to start is all.  It seems I'm 
dieing a slow death.  I'm wondering about a hard drive or something too.  
Maybe it is going out and messing up some files.  I dunno.

Any more ideas?

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Holly Bostick]

Dale wrote:
> On Friday 13 January 2006 05:58, Holly Bostick wrote:
> 
>> Kill those, and  Mozilla may well start. Whether your problem will
>> be solved is another question, but we'll come to that, if not.
>> 
>> 
>> HTH, Holly
> 
> 
> That would make sense.  I killed the processes that were running and
> still get this:

Oy, I see it now. The problem is here

> root@smoker / # su dale

When you su, the X server is refusing to allow the user (dale) to
connect to the running X server (which is owned by root).

Now the solution for this is something that I normally do in the other
direction (to allow root to connect to the user's X server); and while
I'm sure it will work in reverse, I myself wouldn't suggest it since I
don't necessarily want to impinge on user privilege separation if the
base user in question is root.

So what I would say is firstly why are you running as root and su-ing to
a user, rather than running as a user and su-ing to root, since there's
no reason whatsoever to do it this way (it's certainly not more secure,
in fact, much less so afaics).

Secondly, does Mozilla open as the user logged in (whether that's root
or dale)

But anyway, what you need to do, iirc, is to copy ~/.Xauthority from the
logged-in user's HOME folder to the folder of the user who is the target
of su-- normally root, so this would mean copying from Dale's home to
/root... but you're running as root, and I just don't like the idea of
copying .Xauthority from the /root folder to dale's HOME.

So I would suggest running as a user and copying the file from dale's
home to /root, after which root should not receive this error (if in
fact su-ing to root and running Mozilla does in fact generate this
error, which it may very well not).

HTH,
Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:15:40 -0600, Dale wrote:

> root@smoker / # su dale
> dale@smoker / $ mozilla
> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> Xlib: No protocol specified

By default, su does not allow access to X. You can mess around
setting and exporting $DISPLAY, or you can use sux instead of su. sux is
a shell wrapper for su that takes care of this.

Or you could log in as dale in the first place. I don't see why you need
su at all.


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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 06:51, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:15:40 -0600, Dale wrote:
> > root@smoker / # su dale
> > dale@smoker / $ mozilla
> > Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> > Xlib: No protocol specified
>
> By default, su does not allow access to X. You can mess around
> setting and exporting $DISPLAY, or you can use sux instead of su. sux is
> a shell wrapper for su that takes care of this.
>
> Or you could log in as dale in the first place. I don't see why you need
> su at all.


This is for both Holly and Neil.  I login to my GUI as dale, not root.  I just 
use the konsole with root access for doing a emerge or copying files over or 
something.  I also use it to ssh into other boxes, restart my network etc etc 
etc.  As far as where my GUI is concerned, it won't let me login as root.  I 
am logged into my GUI as dale though.  I also tried dale2 and a very new user 
named test.  Mozilla will not start with them either.  I will try them again 
after this email though, making sure there is no running mozilla this time.

I also use that konsole as root because it will allow root to kill a process 
that little old dale can't.  Some of those Mozilla processes that were 
running were running as root, not sure why.  It never did that before.

I did also open a regular console, as dale not root, and when I type in 
Mozilla, it gives me this:

dale@smoker ~ $ mozilla
No running windows found

** (mozilla-bin:20715): WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-dale2 is not the c                                       
urrent user

Since I use dale for the most part, I trashed the orbit-dale2 file and it 
still won't start.  It just comes back to a prompt and that is it.

Any more ideas?  Sorry on the confusion.  I confuse myself sometimes too.  LOL  
Like right about now.

Thanks

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Richard Fish]

On 1/13/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
> Any more ideas?  Sorry on the confusion.  I confuse myself sometimes too.  LOL
> Like right about now.

Most likely you hosed the permissions on your ~/.mozilla directory.  First, try:

chown -R dale:users ~/.mozilla
chmod -R u+rw ~/.mozilla

If that doesn't work, I suggest posting the output of:

strace -f -e open mozilla 2>&1 | grep -Ev " = [0-9]+"

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 12:34, Richard Fish wrote:
> strace -f -e open mozilla 2>&1 | grep -Ev " = [0-9]+"


OK.  I logged in as root and made SURE to kill any mozilla stuff that was 
running.  I then opened a regular user Konsole and typed in your long 
command.  Well, I actually copied and pasted it.  It is rather long so I am 
sending it you directly.  I don't have a way to host the file or anything so 
this is the best I can do.  This list doesn't like BIG emails.  Maybe you can 
post the important part if needed and leave out the rest of the junk that 
doesn't.

I think something is wrong with xorg or something myself.  I can read.  LOL

If anyone else wants to see this thing, let me know.  I'll send it to you.

Thanks for the help.

Dale
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[Matthias Bethke]

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Hi Dale,
on Friday, 2006-01-13 at 13:40:00, you wrote:
> I think something is wrong with xorg or something myself.  I can read.  LOL
> 
> If anyone else wants to see this thing, let me know.  I'll send it to you.

I noticed similar things can happen when for some reason (DHCP, some
dialup script, ...) your hostname changes while X is running already.
Everything running continues running just fine but X thinks the new
connections were coming from a different host and refuses them.

regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 15:58, Matthias Bethke wrote:
> Hi Dale,
>
> on Friday, 2006-01-13 at 13:40:00, you wrote:
> > I think something is wrong with xorg or something myself.  I can read. 
> > LOL
> >
> > If anyone else wants to see this thing, let me know.  I'll send it to
> > you.
>
> I noticed similar things can happen when for some reason (DHCP, some
> dialup script, ...) your hostname changes while X is running already.
> Everything running continues running just fine but X thinks the new
> connections were coming from a different host and refuses them.
>
> regards
> 	Matthias


Well, I did a windoze thing and rebooted.  It got worse.  That was when 
Mozilla stopped working at all.  My rig has always been named smoker, since 
the install anyway.

I have a new install on the way on another hard drive.  If that one does the 
same crap, I'm installing Mandrake for a while anyway.  <  goes and pukes at 
the thought of Mandrake >  :-(

Things I have done so far:

Renamed ~/.mozilla  thought maybe it was a corrupt file
Tried two different users, no workey
re-emerged Mozilla then did a emerge -C mozilla and then re-emerged mozilla 
again.  Still no worky.

Any ideas?  Anybody want to host this large strace file so others can see it?  
I don't have anyway to host it here.

Thanks
Dale

Oh, Willie, it is working on it.  It adds a new line from time to time.  I'm 
just twidling my thumbs waiting on it.  LOL  I'll send it when it gets tired 
of chewing on it.  O_O
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[Matthias Bethke]

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Hi Dale,
on Friday, 2006-01-13 at 16:42:33, you wrote:
> Any ideas?  Anybody want to host this large strace file so others can see it?  
> I don't have anyway to host it here.

No problem, just send it and I'll put it online.

regards
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Willie Wong]

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 04:42:33PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
> Well, I did a windoze thing and rebooted.  It got worse.  That was when 
> Mozilla stopped working at all.  My rig has always been named smoker, since 
> the install anyway.
> 
> I have a new install on the way on another hard drive.  If that one does the 
> same crap, I'm installing Mandrake for a while anyway.  <  goes and pukes at 
> the thought of Mandrake >  :-(
> 
> Things I have done so far:
> 
> Renamed ~/.mozilla  thought maybe it was a corrupt file
> Tried two different users, no workey
> re-emerged Mozilla then did a emerge -C mozilla and then re-emerged mozilla 
> again.  Still no worky.
> 
> Any ideas?  Anybody want to host this large strace file so others can see it?  
> I don't have anyway to host it here.
> 
> Thanks
> Dale
> 
> Oh, Willie, it is working on it.  It adds a new line from time to time.  I'm 
> just twidling my thumbs waiting on it.  LOL  I'll send it when it gets tired 
> of chewing on it.  O_O

>From what you sent me, it doesn't look like mozilla even finished
loading all the libraries. Can you post emerge --info and 
emerge -pv mozilla?

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[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 17:38, Willie Wong wrote:

> >
> >From what you sent me, it doesn't look like mozilla even finished
>
> loading all the libraries. Can you post emerge --info and
> emerge -pv mozilla?
>
> W

I'm no guru but that was what it looked like to me too.  The things it says 
are missing are in /usr/lib/mozilla if I recall correctly.  That is not 
related to a specific user and may tell why it works for nobody, including my 
tests on other users.


root@smoker / # emerge --info
Portage 2.0.53 (default-linux/x86/2005.0, gcc-3.4.4, glibc-2.3.5-r2, 
2.6.14-gentoo-r5 i686)
=================================================================
System uname: 2.6.14-gentoo-r5 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+
Gentoo Base System version 1.6.13
dev-lang/python:     2.3.4-r1, 2.4.2
sys-apps/sandbox:    1.2.12
sys-devel/autoconf:  2.13, 2.59-r6
sys-devel/automake:  1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r1
sys-devel/binutils:  2.16.1
sys-devel/libtool:   1.5.20
virtual/os-headers:  2.6.11-r3
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86"
AUTOCLEAN="yes"
CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -momit-leaf-frame-pointer 
-fno-ident -pipe"
CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/2/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/env /usr/kde/3.4/share/config /usr/kde/3.4/shutdown /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/kde/3/share/config /usr/lib/X11/xkb /usr/lib/mozilla/defaults/pref /usr/share/config /var/qmail/control"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/gconf /etc/terminfo /etc/env.d"
CXXFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -momit-leaf-frame-pointer 
-fno-ident -pipe -fvisibility-inlines-hidden"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES="autoconfig distlocks sandbox sfperms strict"
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://distfiles.gentoo.org 
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,now"
MAKEOPTS="-j2"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
SYNC="rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="x86 3dnow X acl acpi alsa amd apm arts artsd artswrappersuid audiofile 
avi berkdb bitmap-fonts bzip2 cdr chroot clanJavaScript cups curl dbus doc 
emboss encode esd ethereal exif expat f-prot fam fdftk ffmpeg foomaticdb 
fortran gaim gcj gd gdbm gif gimpprint gkrellm glut gmp gnome gphoto2 gpm 
gstreamer gtk gtk2 hal hbci hpijs idn imagemagick imlib ipv6 java javascript 
jbig jpeg justify kde lcms libg++ libwww mad mikmod mmx mng motif mozdomi 
mozilla mp3 mpeg ncurses nls nsplugin offensive ofx ogg oggvorbis opengl 
openoffice pam parse-clocks pcre pdflib perl png ppds pysol python qt 
quicktime readline scanner scribus sdl spell sse ssl tcltk tcpd tiff tkinter 
truetype truetype-fonts tuxracer type1-fonts udev usb vorbis xml xml2 xmms 
xprint xv xvid yahoo zlib userland_GNU kernel_linux elibc_glibc"
Unset:  ASFLAGS, CTARGET, LANG, LC_ALL, LINGUAS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY

root@smoker / #  emerge -pv mozilla

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2  -crypt -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java 
-ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft 
-mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint 0 kB

Total size of downloads: 0 kB
root@smoker / # 

I recently removed gnome from my USE line.  When I recompiled Mozilla the 
second time, I added it back.  I was hoping that maybe something got broke 
because of that.  I did run a revdep-rebuild and it said all was OK.  Yea, 
right.  Tell Mozilla that.

Still clueless.  Thanks MUCH for the help.  I'll be happy if I can get it to 
open and let me save my email and bookmarks.  I sort of like installing 
Gentoo.  Me weird huh?

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Holly Bostick]

Dale schreef:
>
> I'll be happy if I can get it to 
> open and let me save my email and bookmarks.

You don't need to open Mozilla to save your email and bookmarks.

They are in your profile folder:

bookmarks.html (in
~/.mozilla/<profile_name>/<random_string>.xlt/bookmarks.html) is your
bookmarks file

and your mail is in.... well, I admit I don't quite know the exact path,
because I am 1) a Thunderbird user (so my mail would be in
~/.thunderbird rather than ~/.mozilla, except that I) 2) put my mail in
a specific folder rather than the default.

But look in your ~/.mozilla/<profile_name>/<random_string>.xlt/ folder
and see if there isn't a folder in there called "Mail", which contains a
folder named for your pop3 server. What's in there is your mail.

Just copy the whole folder somewhere, and when you get Mozilla working
again (or switch to Firefox and Thunderbird, if you like), you can
either drop the files right back in the new profile folder created
(bookmarks and mail), or import them (mail), or set the mail program to
look in the new location for mail rather than the default.

Believe me, this is why I still use Mozilla-based products; I have the
same mail and bookmarks that I had over 5 years ago, before I:

1) switched from Netscape to Mozilla

2) carried the hard drive on which the mail and other data was contained
across the ocean in a carry-on;

3) switched from Windows to Linux (dual-boot, so the Mozilla profile
folders were shared between both OSes)

4) switched from Mozilla to Phoenix

5) dumped Windows

6) switched from Phoenix to Firebird to Firefox, and from MozMail to
Thunderbird.

The Mozilla applications are *extremely* interoperable, and your
personal files are very easy to manage. I back mine up all the time
(since it's just the one folder with mail and some loose files in my
profile).

So really, you don't have to solve this first to retrieve that data.

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 18:42, Holly Bostick wrote:

>
> You don't need to open Mozilla to save your email and bookmarks.
>
> They are in your profile folder:
>
> bookmarks.html (in
> ~/.mozilla/<profile_name>/<random_string>.xlt/bookmarks.html) is your
> bookmarks file
>
> and your mail is in.... well, I admit I don't quite know the exact path,
> because I am 1) a Thunderbird user (so my mail would be in
> ~/.thunderbird rather than ~/.mozilla, except that I) 2) put my mail in
> a specific folder rather than the default.
>
> But look in your ~/.mozilla/<profile_name>/<random_string>.xlt/ folder
> and see if there isn't a folder in there called "Mail", which contains a
> folder named for your pop3 server. What's in there is your mail.
>
> Just copy the whole folder somewhere, and when you get Mozilla working
> again (or switch to Firefox and Thunderbird, if you like), you can
> either drop the files right back in the new profile folder created
> (bookmarks and mail), or import them (mail), or set the mail program to
> look in the new location for mail rather than the default.
>
> Believe me, this is why I still use Mozilla-based products; I have the
> same mail and bookmarks that I had over 5 years ago, before I:
>
> 1) switched from Netscape to Mozilla
>
> 2) carried the hard drive on which the mail and other data was contained
> across the ocean in a carry-on;
>
> 3) switched from Windows to Linux (dual-boot, so the Mozilla profile
> folders were shared between both OSes)
>
> 4) switched from Mozilla to Phoenix
>
> 5) dumped Windows
>
> 6) switched from Phoenix to Firebird to Firefox, and from MozMail to
> Thunderbird.
>
> The Mozilla applications are *extremely* interoperable, and your
> personal files are very easy to manage. I back mine up all the time
> (since it's just the one folder with mail and some loose files in my
> profile).
>
> So really, you don't have to solve this first to retrieve that data.
>
> Holly


I was pretty sure they were in there somewhere and that they could be saved.  
My big worry is that something !may! be corrupt and copying them over may 
mess up Mozilla again.

That said, I think Mozilla is borked as a application and has nothing to do 
with any user at all.  I'm wondering if my hard drive is what is causing this 
but I am not getting any other errors so I'm clueless.  

I may try a emerge -e world but I am moving on with the new install on my 
other hard drive.  Something is going to work.

Thanks for the comment though  Holly.  If yours survived coming across the 
pond, mine should be OK too.  

Anybody have any new ideas?  Still curious about that emerge -e world.  
Couldn't hurt.  It would just slow down my other install.  

Dale
:-)

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[Holly Bostick]

Dale schreef:
> On Friday 13 January 2006 17:38, Willie Wong wrote:
> 
>> >From what you sent me, it doesn't look like mozilla even finished
>>
>> loading all the libraries. Can you post emerge --info and
>> emerge -pv mozilla?

Looking at the trace, I just picked a random "file not found" to see
what that file was on my system:

equery belongs /usr/lib/mozilla/libXp.so.6
[ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/mozilla/libXp.so.6 in *... ]


So I don't have it (ok, admittedly I don't have Mozilla either, but I do
have Firefox, so....)

za 01/14/06 01:55
motub -> locate libXp.so.6
/usr/lib/libXp.so.6
/usr/lib/libXp.so.6.2

za 01/14/06 01:55
motub ->  equery belongs /usr/lib/libXp.so.6
[ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/libXp.so.6 in *... ]
x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 (/usr/lib/libXp.so.6 -> libXp.so.6.2)

Hmmmm.... perhaps an X problem? Looking at the other files that are not
being found, they sure look a lot like X files as well (no pun intended):

libXinerama.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
libXp.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
libXxf86vm.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
libXxf86dga.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
libXxf86misc.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

and so on. I mean, honestly, look at the path below:

[pid  6829] open("/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libXxf86misc.so.1", O_RDONLY)
= -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

I cannot imagine that there is any valid configuration that puts
libXxf86 anything in /usr/lib/mozilla/*plugins*, of all places.

I don't want to speculate on how this might have happened, but if I was
you, I would

1) unmerge Mozilla completely (don't worry, your profile is in your
~/folder, so none of your personal settings or mail will be lost);

2) delete all /usr/lib/Mozilla folders

3) re-emerge X.org (yes I know, it takes forever, but clearly something
is very seriously borked if Mozilla thinks that the X libs are in its
own install folders, since the only one who would likely have told it
that is X itself)

4) re-emerge Mozilla.

5) pray.

HTH,
Holly
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[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 19:09, Holly Bostick wrote:
>
> Looking at the trace, I just picked a random "file not found" to see
> what that file was on my system:
>
> equery belongs /usr/lib/mozilla/libXp.so.6
> [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/mozilla/libXp.so.6 in *... ]
>
>
> So I don't have it (ok, admittedly I don't have Mozilla either, but I do
> have Firefox, so....)
>
> za 01/14/06 01:55
> motub -> locate libXp.so.6
> /usr/lib/libXp.so.6
> /usr/lib/libXp.so.6.2
>
> za 01/14/06 01:55
> motub ->  equery belongs /usr/lib/libXp.so.6
> [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/libXp.so.6 in *... ]
> x11-base/xorg-x11-6.8.2-r6 (/usr/lib/libXp.so.6 -> libXp.so.6.2)
>
> Hmmmm.... perhaps an X problem? Looking at the other files that are not
> being found, they sure look a lot like X files as well (no pun intended):
>
> libXinerama.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> libXp.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> libXxf86vm.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> libXxf86dga.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> libXxf86misc.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
>
> and so on. I mean, honestly, look at the path below:
>
> [pid  6829] open("/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libXxf86misc.so.1", O_RDONLY)
> = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
>
> I cannot imagine that there is any valid configuration that puts
> libXxf86 anything in /usr/lib/mozilla/*plugins*, of all places.
>
> I don't want to speculate on how this might have happened, but if I was
> you, I would
>
> 1) unmerge Mozilla completely (don't worry, your profile is in your
> ~/folder, so none of your personal settings or mail will be lost);
>
> 2) delete all /usr/lib/Mozilla folders
>
> 3) re-emerge X.org (yes I know, it takes forever, but clearly something
> is very seriously borked if Mozilla thinks that the X libs are in its
> own install folders, since the only one who would likely have told it
> that is X itself)
>
> 4) re-emerge Mozilla.
>
> 5) pray.
>
> HTH,
> Holly


OK.  I did do a emerge -C mozilla once.  I even re-emerged xorg too.  What 
about this:

1) emerge -C mozilla
2) delete the heck out of /usr/lib/Mozilla.  :-)  Maybe up arrow and hit 
return one more time for good measure.  ;-)
3) emerge xorg one more time, for good measure.
4) emerge mozilla
5) Say prayer that it works, even though it has not worked yet.  ;)

That sound like a reasonable plan you think?  Should I take out the gnome flag 
that I put back in my USE line?  I thought that may have broke something 
because that was the last thing I changed.

Should I really start looking at that hard drive you think?  Something 
happened to those files.  I didn't even know where they were until today.  
LOL  I promise, I didn't do it.

Thanks
Dale
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[Willie Wong]

On Sat, Jan 14, 2006 at 02:09:16AM +0100, Penguin Lover Holly Bostick squawked:
> Dale schreef:
> > On Friday 13 January 2006 17:38, Willie Wong wrote:
> > 
> >> >From what you sent me, it doesn't look like mozilla even finished
> >>
> >> loading all the libraries. Can you post emerge --info and
> >> emerge -pv mozilla?
> 
> Looking at the trace, I just picked a random "file not found" to see
> what that file was on my system:
> 
> equery belongs /usr/lib/mozilla/libXp.so.6
> [ Searching for file(s) /usr/lib/mozilla/libXp.so.6 in *... ]
> 
> 
> So I don't have it (ok, admittedly I don't have Mozilla either, but I do
> have Firefox, so....)
> 

It is actually quite normal. The mozilla binary searches through the
system library paths for libs, and uses the first one it finds. It is
quite normal for the strace to have many files that doesn't exist. 

Though, it seems that mozilla didn't even quite make it to starting in
that last strace: it took Dale 30 minutes, and it still hasn't gotten
around to loading the chrome components. 

I couldn't see anything obviously wrong from the trace, though someone
else might have better insight. 

W
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[Richard Fish]

On 1/13/06, Holly Bostick <motub@planet.nl> wrote:
> libXinerama.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> libXp.so.6", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> libXxf86vm.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> libXxf86dga.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
> libXxf86misc.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)

Actually, this is perfectly normal.  The linker goes through it's
search path for libraries, trying to load each library from each
directory in /etc/ld.so.conf.  It is typical to see many failures
until the right directory is found.  For example:

("/usr/lib/mozilla/libXxf86vm.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT
("/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libXxf86vm.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT
("/usr/lib/libXxf86vm.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3

As long as it found it somewhere, it is ok.

Interestingly, for those of you using prelink, you won't see this
search for pre-linked binaries.  It is part of what makes prelinked
systems a bit faster:

strace -e open -f /usr/bin/xdpyinfo >/dev/null
open("/usr/lib/libXext.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
open("/usr/lib/libX11.so.6", O_RDONLY)  = 3
open("/usr/lib/libXtst.so.6", O_RDONLY) = 3
...

-Richard

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[Richard Fish]

On 1/13/06, Willie Wong <wwong@princeton.edu> wrote:
> From what you sent me, it doesn't look like mozilla even finished
> loading all the libraries. Can you post emerge --info and
> emerge -pv mozilla?

And from what Dale sent me it looks like the same thing.  It sort of
just ends at:

[pid  3564] open("/usr/lib/mozilla/chrome/comm.jar", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE
<unfinished ...>
[pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
Process 3566 attached
[pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
[pid  3564] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
Process 3567 attached
[pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
[pid  3564] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
[pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---

This is making me think there is some kind of java or plugin problem,
since .jar files are essentially java libraries.

Dale, do you have +nptl +nptlonly for glibc?  I didn't see those in
your emerge --info output.

My memory is a little fuzzy, but I remember someone on this list had a
problem with java a couple of months ago that was fixed by remerging
glibc with +nptl +nptlonly.

-Richard

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[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 21:00, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 1/13/06, Willie Wong <wwong@princeton.edu> wrote:
> > From what you sent me, it doesn't look like mozilla even finished
> > loading all the libraries. Can you post emerge --info and
> > emerge -pv mozilla?
>
> And from what Dale sent me it looks like the same thing.  It sort of
> just ends at:
>
> [pid  3564] open("/usr/lib/mozilla/chrome/comm.jar", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE
> <unfinished ...>
> [pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> Process 3566 attached
> [pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> [pid  3564] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> Process 3567 attached
> [pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> [pid  3564] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> [pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
>
> This is making me think there is some kind of java or plugin problem,
> since .jar files are essentially java libraries.
>
> Dale, do you have +nptl +nptlonly for glibc?  I didn't see those in
> your emerge --info output.
>
> My memory is a little fuzzy, but I remember someone on this list had a
> problem with java a couple of months ago that was fixed by remerging
> glibc with +nptl +nptlonly.
>
> -Richard


Honestly, I dunno what nptl is.  I generally leave USE stuff alone unless I 
KNOW it is something I don't need or someone tells me I don't need it.  I 
went through this recently with the gnome USE flag.

I'm in the process of doing this right now:

1) emerge -C mozilla
2) delete the heck out of /usr/lib/Mozilla.  :-)  Maybe up arrow and hit 
return one more time for good measure.  ;-)
3) emerge xorg one more time, for good measure.
4) emerge mozilla
5) Say prayer that it works, even though it has not worked yet.  ;)

I'm on number 4 at the moment.  It should be close to done, somewhere close 
anyway.  If not, I'm going to shoot it.  LOL

Thanks for the help.  I just hope this works.  I don't guess it could get any 
worse.  Oh, after I re-emerge xorg I logged out, reset the GUI and logged 
back in again.  

Wish me luck.  If not, I'll be back.  O_O

Dale
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[Richard Fish]

On 1/13/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
> Honestly, I dunno what nptl is.  I generally leave USE stuff alone unless I
> KNOW it is something I don't need or someone tells me I don't need it.  I
> went through this recently with the gnome USE flag.

nptl is "native posix threading library"!  What it means is that since
the 2.6 kernel now supports threads natively, that glibc can call the
APIs in the kernel for thread creation and synchronization, instead of
simulating it with another library (libpthread).

So if you have +nptl, programs have the option of using native threads
instead of pthreads.  This is usually a good thing, as native thread
synchronization mechanisms are significantly faster than pthreads.

Using +nptlonly causes libpthreads to not be built at all (actually it
is, but just a set of stubs around the native methods).  This forces
all applications to use native threads.

There are some behavior differences between nptl and posix threads
that caused some problems with applications early on.  However, I
personally have been using nptlonly for a while (I don't remember
exactly when I turned it on), without any trouble.  In fact, AFAIK,
nobody has reported any trouble with nptlonly recently.

bugs.gentoo.org only returns 2 open bugs relating to nptl, one while
building an older version of mozilla-firefox that nobody has been able
to reproduce, and another indicating that +nptl +nptlonly or -nptl
-nptlonly are the only sane options currently.

-Richard

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On Friday 13 January 2006 19:00, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 1/13/06, Willie Wong <wwong@princeton.edu> wrote:
> [pid  3564] open("/usr/lib/mozilla/chrome/comm.jar", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE
<snip>
> This is making me think there is some kind of java or plugin problem,
> since .jar files are essentially java libraries.
Actually, in this case, probably not. Mozilla uses jars for many many things. 
In fact they're really just renamed Zip files. It could be anything (though 
this one has something to do with the UI components).

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[Richard Fish]

On 1/13/06, John Myers <electronerd@electronerdia.net> wrote:
> On Friday 13 January 2006 19:00, Richard Fish wrote:
> > On 1/13/06, Willie Wong <wwong@princeton.edu> wrote:
> > [pid  3564] open("/usr/lib/mozilla/chrome/comm.jar", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE
> <snip>
> > This is making me think there is some kind of java or plugin problem,
> > since .jar files are essentially java libraries.
> Actually, in this case, probably not. Mozilla uses jars for many many things.
> In fact they're really just renamed Zip files. It could be anything (though
> this one has something to do with the UI components).

Ah, you are right.  Looking at the comm.jar I see a bunch of .xul
(interface definition), .css, and .js (javascript, not java!) files.

Still, I remember that libpthread used signals, although I'm not sure
exactly what signal, for thread synchronization.  So all of the SIGRTs
with nothing else occuring is still making me think that maybe there
is a threading issue here.

-Richard

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[Willie Wong]

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 08:00:15PM -0700, Penguin Lover Richard Fish squawked:
> On 1/13/06, Willie Wong <wwong@princeton.edu> wrote:
> > From what you sent me, it doesn't look like mozilla even finished
> > loading all the libraries. Can you post emerge --info and
> > emerge -pv mozilla?
> 
> And from what Dale sent me it looks like the same thing.  It sort of
> just ends at:
> 
> [pid  3564] open("/usr/lib/mozilla/chrome/comm.jar", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE
> <unfinished ...>
> [pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> Process 3566 attached
> [pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> [pid  3564] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> Process 3567 attached
> [pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> [pid  3564] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---
> [pid  3550] --- SIGRTMIN (Unknown signal 32) @ 0 (0) ---

This is something that I was worried about. I can't think of why/what
should be sending SIGRTMIN

> 
> This is making me think there is some kind of java or plugin problem,
> since .jar files are essentially java libraries.

I am under the impression that comm.jar is what defines the
layout/theme for mozilla. Though my memory may very well be wrong. 
> 
> Dale, do you have +nptl +nptlonly for glibc?  I didn't see those in
> your emerge --info output.

Don't think he does. His strace also shows that he uses pthreads. 

> 
> My memory is a little fuzzy, but I remember someone on this list had a
> problem with java a couple of months ago that was fixed by remerging
> glibc with +nptl +nptlonly.
> 
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[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 22:00, Willie Wong wrote:

>
> Don't think he does. His strace also shows that he uses pthreads.
>
> > My memory is a little fuzzy, but I remember someone on this list had a
> > problem with java a couple of months ago that was fixed by remerging
> > glibc with +nptl +nptlonly.
>
> W


OK.  Here is where I am now:

I did the five things I posted earlier.  I even re-emerged my java stuff and 
glibc with the ntpl stuff.  Still no go here.  May try to emerge Mozilla 
again.  Could this have anything to do with the gcc upgrade?  I also added 
the -gnome in my USE line a while back to if that matters.

This is my USE line in make.conf:

USE="acl acpi alsa amd arts artsd artswrappersuid -bonobo cdr chroot 
clanJavaScript -crypt dbus doc -eds ethereal f-prot fdftk gaim gcj gimpprint 
gkrellm -gnome gphoto2 gtk hal hbci hpijs gif java javascript jbig justify 
kde mmx mozilla nsplugin ofx offensive openoffice -oss parse-clocks ppds 
pysol scanner scribus sse tcltk tiff tkinter truetype tuxracer udev usb X xml 
xprint yahoo 3dnow "

I'm about to start a emerge -ev world.  Is there anything wrong with this USE 
line before I start?

I don't know of anything else to try unless you guys know of something.

Thanks
Dale
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[Richard Fish]

On 1/13/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
> I don't know of anything else to try unless you guys know of something.

I might try mozilla-thunderbird (or even mozilla-thunderbird-bin, or
mozilla-bin).

-Richard

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[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 22:43, Richard Fish wrote:
> On 1/13/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
> > I don't know of anything else to try unless you guys know of something.
>
> I might try mozilla-thunderbird (or even mozilla-thunderbird-bin, or
> mozilla-bin).
>
> -Richard

I'm going to try that one.  It is a lot faster to download and if it works, 
there may be hope yet for this install and no emerge -e world.  If not, well, 
I'm still screwed.  *_*

Thanks for that tip.

Dale
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[Dale]

Richard Fish wrote:

>On 1/13/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>I don't know of anything else to try unless you guys know of something.
>>    
>>
>
>I might try mozilla-thunderbird (or even mozilla-thunderbird-bin, or
>mozilla-bin).
>
>-Richard
>
>  
>
Well, as you may can tell from my sig being back, I am in Mozilla 
again.  It is the binary thing though.  Since this Mozilla works, what 
is wrong with my other one?  This one is NOT like my old one.  It . . . 
looks different.

May do the emerge -e world now.  See if that helps any.

Thanks for the help.

Dale
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[Dale]

Richard Fish wrote:

>On 1/13/06, Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> wrote:
>  
>
>>I don't know of anything else to try unless you guys know of something.
>>    
>>
>
>I might try mozilla-thunderbird (or even mozilla-thunderbird-bin, or
>mozilla-bin).
>
>-Richard
>
>  
>
Wooooooooo Ooooooooooooo.  I can send email from Mozilla.  I wasn't 
getting my hopes up last time.

Thanks for the help folks.  Still want to know what is wrong with my 
other one though.  I need it back if you can help me get it back.

I notice this binary version is in /opt instead of /usr/lib/.  I guess 
it helps this one to work but I bet it won't help the old one any.

Dale
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1:  Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives.  Named Smoker
2:  Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive.  Named Swifty
3:  Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 224MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive.  Named Pokey
4:  Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive.  Named Putput

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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 22:28, Dale wrote:

>
> I'm about to start a emerge -ev world.  Is there anything wrong with this
> USE line before I start?
>
> I don't know of anything else to try unless you guys know of something.
>
> Thanks
> Dale
>
> :-)


I thought of one more thing I want to try.  I'm going back one version of 
Mozilla to see if that helps any.  I'm downloading mozilla-1.7.11-r3 right 
now.  It says it will take about 3 hours.  Dial-up sucks.  :-(

I'm going to bed.  I'll let you know what blows up tomorrow.  Hmmmm.  May 
start a emerge -ev world on the side.  Maybe not.  It's screwed up enough 
already.  LOL

Thanks

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

Well, I got to excited to fast.  Mozilla comes up and works but it only let me 
send a few emails before it started with the original error, again.

I may have to switch ISPs to fix this error.  I didn't change anything here 
since before Christmas and it stopped working all at once.

Now I'm back where it started.  Any ideas on what this error is?

" An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 
<whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying denied. Please 
verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try 
again."

Keep in mind I can send a email to myself but not to anyone outside of my ISPs 
network.  I even renamed ~/.mozilla to mozilla.old and set up a new account, 
still not able to send emails.  I can receive them though.

If you notice my email address change to something<at>bellsouth.net, you'll 
know what happened.

I have the same problem sometimes with Kmail too.  I'm having a hard time 
sending this one.

Thanks
Dale
:-(
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

Dale wrote:

>Well, I got to excited to fast.  Mozilla comes up and works but it only let me 
>send a few emails before it started with the original error, again.
>
>I may have to switch ISPs to fix this error.  I didn't change anything here 
>since before Christmas and it stopped working all at once.
>
>Now I'm back where it started.  Any ideas on what this error is?
>
>" An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 
><whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying denied. Please 
>verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try 
>again."
>
>Keep in mind I can send a email to myself but not to anyone outside of my ISPs 
>network.  I even renamed ~/.mozilla to mozilla.old and set up a new account, 
>still not able to send emails.  I can receive them though.
>
>If you notice my email address change to something<at>bellsouth.net, you'll 
>know what happened.
>
>I have the same problem sometimes with Kmail too.  I'm having a hard time 
>sending this one.
>
>Thanks
>Dale
>:-(
>  
>
Well, I'm still testing this thing.  I'm trying to count and see how 
many I can send before it fails.  This will be #2.

Dale
:-)

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1:  Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives.  Named Smoker
2:  Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive.  Named Swifty
3:  Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 224MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive.  Named Pokey
4:  Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive.  Named Putput

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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

Dale wrote:

>
> Well, I'm still testing this thing.  I'm trying to count and see how 
> many I can send before it fails.  This will be #2.
>
> Dale
> :-)
>


Well, I sent a dozen or so to my Yahoo account and it seems to be 
working again.  Could this be my ISP?  Maybe they upgraded something 
over the holidays and only my Linux is seeing the problem??  I have had 
the exact same error a few times with Kmail too.  Something fishy is 
going on here.  I'm not sure what.

Waiting for ideas.

Dale
:-)

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1:  Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives.  Named Smoker
2:  Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive.  Named Swifty
3:  Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 224MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive.  Named Pokey
4:  Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive.  Named Putput

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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Ernie Schroder]

On Saturday 14 January 2006 04:55, a tiny voice compelled Dale to write:

> Something fishy is 
> going on here.  I'm not sure what.
>
> Waiting for ideas.
>

>From http://exceedtech.net
REMINDER: If you have not already installed the new Exceed Dialer software, 
then you should follow the instructions here. Otherwise, you will experience 
service outages and other potential problems.

It would seem that they have changed something there. Maybe contacting 2nd 
level tech support will help solve your problem.

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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

Ernie Schroder wrote:

>>From http://exceedtech.net
>REMINDER: If you have not already installed the new Exceed Dialer software, 
>then you should follow the instructions here. Otherwise, you will experience 
>service outages and other potential problems.
>
>It would seem that they have changed something there. Maybe contacting 2nd 
>level tech support will help solve your problem.
>
>  
>


That has been there for years and it is a windoze thing.  The reason 
they did that is because they changed all their numbers a good while 
back when our area code got changed.  They don't have a Linux version of 
that software.  They don't have a Mac version either.  I have set it up 
on my brothers winders XP with the stuff that came with winders and it 
works fine.  It's just that you have to go get a new list of numbers you 
can use, which I already have by the way.

I have four numbers that are local.  I have noticed that I can only 
connect to two of them.  The other two says my login is bad, even though 
the only thing I changed is the number.  Weird huh?

I am starting to suspect one of two things here, my system is crashing 
dut to a bad hard drive or my ISP is going to start having some serious 
email trouble for everybody, real soon.

I'm hoping to send this through Mozilla.  Wish me luck.

Thanks for the help.  I'm on 177 of 641 on my emerge -e world. 

Dale
:-)

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I have four rigs:

1:  Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right now two 80GB hard drives.  Named Smoker
2:  Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB drive.  Named Swifty
3:  Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 224MBs of ram and a 2.5GB drive.  Named Pokey
4:  Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a 4.3GB SCSI drive.  Named Putput

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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 22:54, Dale wrote:

> I'm going to bed.  I'll let you know what blows up tomorrow.  Hmmmm.  May
> start a emerge -ev world on the side.  Maybe not.  It's screwed up enough
> already.  LOL
>
> Thanks
>
> Dale
>
> :-)


I have started a fresh install.  I have tried everything I can think of and it 
still won't work.  Mozilla will not open at all.  Even the binary version 
stopped working.  

I'm doing my install on another drive.  I wonder if this one is going out.  It 
sounds fine though.  I'm not sure what is up.  At least this install is going 
better than the last few tries.  I found out that because my CD is old, I 
have to upgrade portage right away.  It gives a error right off the bat.

Wish me Luck.  Thanks for all the help.  This is really weird.

Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Willie Wong]

On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 02:49:10AM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
> I have started a fresh install.  I have tried everything I can think of and it 
> still won't work.  Mozilla will not open at all.  Even the binary version 
> stopped working.  
> 
> I'm doing my install on another drive.  I wonder if this one is going out.  It 
> sounds fine though.  I'm not sure what is up.  At least this install is going 
> better than the last few tries.  I found out that because my CD is old, I 
> have to upgrade portage right away.  It gives a error right off the bat.
> 
> Wish me Luck.  Thanks for all the help.  This is really weird.

Since you are doing a fresh install anyway, try the following: (since
I have no idea what is going on with your box, I am just throwing out
random suggestions.)

I re-read your emerge --info, and noticed that you've set the LDFLAGS
variable to "-Wl -z,now", comment that line out from /etc/make.conf
before you re-install. There might be some weird condition happening
that disabling lazy binding is causing start-up problems with mozilla
(for example, your 30 minute long start-up). Also, I am pretty sure
that with the -z switch, you don't need the -Wl part--gcc recognizes
it as always a linker switch, so you only really need to set the
LDFLAGS to "-z now" and it would be fine. 

The one thing is, it seems at this point that whatever goes wrong
might be further up the toolchain then just mozilla. Usually if
everything else works as expected, we should be able to expect
mozilla-bin to run, even if the compiled version of mozilla doesn't.
Now, the question is: did you try using mozilla-bin before your
emerge -e world? If so, did it work? If that's the case, your
rebuilding might have made matters worse. 

W
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Monday 16 January 2006 13:30, Willie Wong wrote:

>
> Since you are doing a fresh install anyway, try the following: (since
> I have no idea what is going on with your box, I am just throwing out
> random suggestions.)
>
> I re-read your emerge --info, and noticed that you've set the LDFLAGS
> variable to "-Wl -z,now", comment that line out from /etc/make.conf
> before you re-install. There might be some weird condition happening
> that disabling lazy binding is causing start-up problems with mozilla
> (for example, your 30 minute long start-up). Also, I am pretty sure
> that with the -z switch, you don't need the -Wl part--gcc recognizes
> it as always a linker switch, so you only really need to set the
> LDFLAGS to "-z now" and it would be fine.
>
> The one thing is, it seems at this point that whatever goes wrong
> might be further up the toolchain then just mozilla. Usually if
> everything else works as expected, we should be able to expect
> mozilla-bin to run, even if the compiled version of mozilla doesn't.
> Now, the question is: did you try using mozilla-bin before your
> emerge -e world? If so, did it work? If that's the case, your
> rebuilding might have made matters worse.
>
> W

I commented that line out on the new install.  I did change that line a good 
while back.  I also removed gnome in the USE line and removed some packages 
that were related to gnome.  I wonder if that had something to do with it.

Since I don't reboot or even log out very much, it could be something I done a 
while back.  My uptime was almost two weeks when this happened.  I shut down 
when storms come through but that is about it.

Since I had a old CD, I'm having to do the gcc upgrade and a lot of other 
things as well before I even really get started emerge KDE and mozilla.  I'm 
glad you mentioned that LDFLAG before I got to far.  I would hate to have two 
installs doing the same thing or even worse if the LDFLAGS is the problem.

Thanks for the help.  I just hope I can send this email.  This is in Kmail by 
the way.

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Willie Wong]

On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 12:04:26PM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked:
> I also use that konsole as root because it will allow root to kill a process 
> that little old dale can't.  Some of those Mozilla processes that were 
> running were running as root, not sure why.  It never did that before.
> 
> I did also open a regular console, as dale not root, and when I type in 
> Mozilla, it gives me this:
> 
> dale@smoker ~ $ mozilla
> No running windows found
> 
> ** (mozilla-bin:20715): WARNING **: Owner of /tmp/orbit-dale2 is not the c                                       
> urrent user
> 
> Since I use dale for the most part, I trashed the orbit-dale2 file and it 
> still won't start.  It just comes back to a prompt and that is it.
> 

Okay, the only time I've seen it when something similar to what you
describe happens (i.e. enter mozilla on the console and have it return
to the prompt) is when there is an instance of mozilla already
running. 

Try the following:

  as ROOT, kill all running mozilla processes. Including all instanced
  of mozilla-bin and mozilla-launcher. 

  In a console which you logged in as dale, NOT via su/sudo or the
  like, try to run mozilla. 

Does it work? No? 

Again, kill all running mozilla processes, and send us the output of 
(running as dale) 
   $ strace -o mozilla.strace.output mozilla
(send us the file mozilla.strace.output that is produced by the above
command). 

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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Friday 13 January 2006 13:09, Willie Wong wrote:
>
> Okay, the only time I've seen it when something similar to what you
> describe happens (i.e. enter mozilla on the console and have it return
> to the prompt) is when there is an instance of mozilla already
> running.
>
> Try the following:
>
>   as ROOT, kill all running mozilla processes. Including all instanced
>   of mozilla-bin and mozilla-launcher.
>
>   In a console which you logged in as dale, NOT via su/sudo or the
>   like, try to run mozilla.
>
> Does it work? No?
>
> Again, kill all running mozilla processes, and send us the output of
> (running as dale)
>    $ strace -o mozilla.strace.output mozilla
> (send us the file mozilla.strace.output that is produced by the above
> command).
>
> W


Oh, you may notice that I typed in Mozilla first then the long command.  I did 
kill all mozilla processes before typing in the strace command.  I wanted a 
fresh start for it.

Thanks again for all the help.  

Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Matthias Bethke]

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Hi Neil,
on Friday, 2006-01-13 at 12:51:32, you wrote:
> By default, su does not allow access to X. You can mess around
> setting and exporting $DISPLAY, or you can use sux instead of su. sux is
> a shell wrapper for su that takes care of this.

I wonder why that should be necessary in the first place as su seems to
support this .Xauthority linking on its own. On SuSE systems
/usr/X11R6/bin/sux is just a symbolic link to /bin/su, I just tried it
here and it works. The bad thing is that "sudo sux" does not work as in
this case sux is called as root already. Perhaps I should write my own
"suxdo" wrapper? :)

regards
	Matthias
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[John Myers]

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On Thursday 12 January 2006 13:54, Dale Kirkley wrote:
> " An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1
> <whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying denied. Please
> verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try
> again."
Sounds like you need to check your SMTP Authentication settings. Go to
	Edit -> Mail and Newsgroups Account Settings -> Outgoing Server (SMTP)
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Michael Kjorling]

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On 2006-01-12 15:54 -0600, dalek@exceedtech.net wrote:
> " An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded:
> 5.7.1 <whatever email address I am trying to send to> Relaying
> denied. Please verify that your email address is correct in your
> Mail preferences and try again."

This generally means that you are using the wrong mail server and has
*nothing* to do with which mail client you are using.

Contact your ISP's support department and verify that you are using
the correct SMTP server.
 
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Re: [gentoo-user] I can't send email anymore. O_O

[Dale]

On Thursday 12 January 2006 18:01, Dale wrote:
> 
>
> I'm going to recompile Mozilla just in case it is a bad file or something.
> I'll post back and let you know what happens.
>
>
> Dale
>
> :-)


OK.  I re-emerged Mozilla and now it won't even come up at all.  I went into a 
Konsole as dale, not root, and typed in mozilla and nothing happens.  No 
error or anything it just comes back to a prompt.  I logged out and did a 
ctrl alt bcksp and logged back in, nothing.  

I'm not sure what is going on here but something is really borked.  Now I have 
no browser either except for Konqueror.

Anybody have any clues?  I'm about to start a fresh install, no kidding 
either.  Is there some kind of service that could affect this?  How do I find 
out what is keeping Mozilla from starting since I have no error message?

This sucks.

Dale
:-(

Oh, I'm using Kmail, again.  At least it works.
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