[gentoo-user] eix, can I trust it at all?

[gentoo-user] eix, can I trust it at all?

[Petr Kocmid]

Hi all,

Please somebody explain to me the following event:

# echo "net-p2p/ktorrent ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
# eix ktorrent
* net-p2p/ktorrent
     Available versions:  1.0 1.1_rc1 1.1 (all green==available for install)
     Installed:           none
     Homepage:            http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/
     Description:         A BitTorrent program for KDE.


Found 1 matches
# emerge -pv ktorrent

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild  N    ] net-p2p/ktorrent-1.2_rc1  +arts -debug +xinerama 1,411 kB

The question is, why eix knows nothing about version the emerge would actually 
build? Is this bug for eix or I missed something? My portage was synced just 
before that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix, can I trust it at all?

[Tom Martin]

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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 18:18:40 +0100
Petr Kocmid <Petr.Kocmid@project-bhairava.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Please somebody explain to me the following event:
>
> (snip) 

You didn't update the eix database.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix, can I trust it at all?

[Lares Moreau]

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On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 18:18 +0100, Petr Kocmid wrote:
> # echo "net-p2p/ktorrent ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
> # eix ktorrent
> * net-p2p/ktorrent
>      Available versions:  1.0 1.1_rc1 1.1 (all green==available for install)
>      Installed:           none
>      Homepage:            http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/
>      Description:         A BitTorrent program for KDE.
> 
> 
> Found 1 matches
> # emerge -pv ktorrent
> 
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild  N    ] net-p2p/ktorrent-1.2_rc1  +arts -debug +xinerama 1,411 kB
> 
> The question is, why eix knows nothing about version the emerge would actually 
> build? Is this bug for eix or I missed something? My portage was synced just 
> before that.

eix has it's own Database, and doesn't run of live data.

eix-sync -- emerge --sync's then updates the eix DB. DO that or emerge
--sync && update-eix

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix, can I trust it at all?

[ellotheth rimmwen]

On 1/6/06, Petr Kocmid <Petr.Kocmid@project-bhairava.org> wrote:

> The question is, why eix knows nothing about version the emerge would actually
> build? Is this bug for eix or I missed something? My portage was synced just
> before that.

The eix database doesn't automatically get updated with the portage
update, if I recall. Here's my solution:

alias esync='emerge --sync && update-eix'

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix, can I trust it at all?

[Andrew Gaydenko]

You must use 'eix-sync' instead of 'emerge sync'. Another way is to 
start 'update-eix' after 'emerge sync'.

======= On Friday 06 January 2006 20:18, Petr Kocmid wrote: =======
Hi all,

Please somebody explain to me the following event:

# echo "net-p2p/ktorrent ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
# eix ktorrent
* net-p2p/ktorrent
     Available versions:  1.0 1.1_rc1 1.1 (all green==available for install)
     Installed:           none
     Homepage:            http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/
     Description:         A BitTorrent program for KDE.


Found 1 matches
# emerge -pv ktorrent

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild  N    ] net-p2p/ktorrent-1.2_rc1  +arts -debug +xinerama 1,411 kB

The question is, why eix knows nothing about version the emerge would actually 
build? Is this bug for eix or I missed something? My portage was synced just 
before that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix, can I trust it at all?

[Petr Kocmid]

Thanks all for that update-eix hint!

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix, can I trust it at all?

[Rumen Yotov]

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On (06/01/06 18:18), Petr Kocmid wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Please somebody explain to me the following event:
> 
> # echo "net-p2p/ktorrent ~x86" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
> # eix ktorrent
> * net-p2p/ktorrent
>      Available versions:  1.0 1.1_rc1 1.1 (all green==available for install)
>      Installed:           none
>      Homepage:            http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/
>      Description:         A BitTorrent program for KDE.
> 
> 
> Found 1 matches
> # emerge -pv ktorrent
> 
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild  N    ] net-p2p/ktorrent-1.2_rc1  +arts -debug +xinerama 1,411 kB
> 
> The question is, why eix knows nothing about version the emerge would actually 
> build? Is this bug for eix or I missed something? My portage was synced just 
> before that.
> 
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Hi,
Just run "update-eix" before that.
HTH.Rumen

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Stroller]

On 6 Jan 2006, at 17:18, Petr Kocmid wrote:
>
> # eix ktorrent
> * net-p2p/ktorrent
>      Available versions:  1.0 1.1_rc1 1.1 (all green==available for  
> install)
>      Installed:           none
>      Homepage:            http://ktorrent.pwsp.net/
>      Description:         A BitTorrent program for KDE.

and:

On 6 Jan 2006, at 17:31, Lares Moreau wrote:
> eix has it's own Database, and doesn't run of live data.
>
> eix-sync -- emerge --sync's then updates the eix DB. DO that or emerge
> --sync && update-eix


What's eix, then? Apart from a "small utility for searching ebuilds  
with indexing for fast results".

I'm using esearch at the moment - should I change?

The results of `eix ktorrent` above seem more comprehensive than  
those that'd be give by esearch, is that the only advantage? `esync`  
takes bleedin' ages on one system here, so if eix was faster I'd use  
it in a flash.

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:33:51 +0000, Stroller wrote:

> What's eix, then? Apart from a "small utility for searching ebuilds  
> with indexing for fast results".

Just that.

> I'm using esearch at the moment - should I change?

I did. eix is basically esearch without the wait.


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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Christian Heim]

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On Friday 06 January 2006 21:33, St wrote:
> What's eix, then? Apart from a "small utility for searching ebuilds
> with indexing for fast results".
>
> I'm using esearch at the moment - should I change?
>
> The results of `eix ktorrent` above seem more comprehensive than
> those that'd be give by esearch, is that the only advantage? `esync`
> takes bleedin' ages on one system here, so if eix was faster I'd use
> it in a flash.

The only thing that is slow, is update-eix due to reading the cache (well slow 
by my definition means >20s).

eix -s / -S (or what ever you want to search for) is _really_ fast ..

>
> Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:01:00 +0100, Christian Heim wrote:

> The only thing that is slow, is update-eix due to reading the cache
> (well slow by my definition means >20s).

You obviously haven't tried esearch...


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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Stroller]

On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:54, Neil Bothwick wrote:

> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:01:00 +0100, Christian Heim wrote:
>
>> The only thing that is slow, is update-eix due to reading the cache
>> (well slow by my definition means >20s).
>
> You obviously haven't tried esearch...

Yes, I installed eix after the several propt responses - many thanks,  
all! - and was much impressed by the speed improvement.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Beau E. Cox]

On Friday 06 January 2006 04:51 pm, Stroller wrote:
> On 6 Jan 2006, at 21:54, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 22:01:00 +0100, Christian Heim wrote:
> >> The only thing that is slow, is update-eix due to reading the cache
> >> (well slow by my definition means >20s).
> >
> > You obviously haven't tried esearch...
>
> Yes, I installed eix after the several propt responses - many thanks,
> all! - and was much impressed by the speed improvement.
>
> Stroller.

Me too! I was just lurking around and saw the eix discussion
on this list, installed it, and WOW! Thanks everyone.
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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Iain Buchanan]

On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 20:54 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:33:51 +0000, Stroller wrote:
> 
> > I'm using esearch at the moment - should I change?
> 
> I did. eix is basically esearch without the wait.

what wait?  I use esearch and I don't have to wait...?

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Stroller]

On 9 Jan 2006, at 00:30, Iain Buchanan wrote:

> On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 20:54 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:33:51 +0000, Stroller wrote:
>>
>>> I'm using esearch at the moment - should I change?
>>
>> I did. eix is basically esearch without the wait.
>
> what wait?  I use esearch and I don't have to wait...?

eix-update completes in just a few seconds, whereas on one of my  
systems `eupdatedb` (of esearch) takes perhaps 90 minutes.

Stroller.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Iain Buchanan]

On Mon, 2006-01-09 at 01:22 +0000, Stroller wrote:
> On 9 Jan 2006, at 00:30, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 20:54 +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> >> On Fri, 6 Jan 2006 20:33:51 +0000, Stroller wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm using esearch at the moment - should I change?
> >>
> >> I did. eix is basically esearch without the wait.
> >
> > what wait?  I use esearch and I don't have to wait...?
> 
> eix-update completes in just a few seconds, whereas on one of my  
> systems `eupdatedb` (of esearch) takes perhaps 90 minutes.

aaahhh, the wait for eupdatedb, yes it does take a while (certainly not
90 minutes, more like 5 minutes for me) but then I run it from cron at
lunch, so I don't notice... much :)

can eix do the following (taken from esearch --help)

  --searchdesc, -S
    Search package descriptions as well

  --fullname, -F
    Search packages full name (includes category)

  --instonly, -I
    Find only packages which are installed

  --compact, -c
    More compact output format

(there are more from esearch, but these are the main ones I use)
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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[John Myers]

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On Sunday 08 January 2006 17:49, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> can eix do the following (taken from esearch --help)
<snip>

Yep!
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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Benjamin Fritzsche]

While were on the subject:

is there something like esync for eix? 
(show me the differences after a emerge sync/eix-update?)

I've grown used to this and its currently making me stick with esearch.


On Monday 09 January 2006 03:03, John Myers wrote:
> On Sunday 08 January 2006 17:49, Iain Buchanan wrote:
> > can eix do the following (taken from esearch --help)
>
> <snip>
>
> Yep!
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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[John Myers]

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On Sunday 08 January 2006 18:50, Benjamin Fritzsche wrote:
> While were on the subject:
>
> is there something like esync for eix?
> (show me the differences after a emerge sync/eix-update?)
eix-sync
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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Stroller]

On 9 Jan 2006, at 01:49, Iain Buchanan wrote:
>
> aaahhh, the wait for eupdatedb, yes it does take a while (certainly  
> not
> 90 minutes, more like 5 minutes for me) but then I run it from cron at
> lunch, so I don't notice... much :)

I think you meant to say:
   aaahhh, the wait for eupdatedb, yes it does take a while  
(certainly not
   90 minutes for me, more like 5 minutes)

I have no intention of timing it here and now, but I have one system  
here on which eupdatedb is certainly into the several tens of minutes.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Mike Williams]

On Monday 09 January 2006 04:37, Stroller wrote:
> > aaahhh, the wait for eupdatedb, yes it does take a while (certainly  
> > not
> > 90 minutes, more like 5 minutes for me) but then I run it from cron at
> > lunch, so I don't notice... much :)
>
> I think you meant to say:
>    aaahhh, the wait for eupdatedb, yes it does take a while  
> (certainly not
>    90 minutes for me, more like 5 minutes)
>
> I have no intention of timing it here and now, but I have one system  
> here on which eupdatedb is certainly into the several tens of minutes.

You know, you could all just use:
http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_speed_up_portage_with_cdb

Then get ultra fast metadata updates (no 50-51% hang*), quick searches (not as 
quick as eix or esearch but *way* quicker than portage standard), and no need 
to update a second database (so no out of date searches).


carpaskis thoughts are perfectly valid, but if you know you're using cdb then 
get a seg fault, you can turn it off.


* Under 52 seconds, with no previous portage interactions in hours, while 
reading email in kmail, on a 7200rpm 2.5" drive in a PM 1.8.

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Abhay Kedia]

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On Monday 09 January 2006 17:48, Mike Williams wrote:
>
> You know, you could all just use:
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_speed_up_portage_with_cdb
>
...and if we face any problems we will be flamed by purist Gentooers? Reading 
that wiki entry made me remember the people who use --oh-so-fast CFLAGS and 
then get flamed in forums. I personally would never use such hacks in 
something as important as portage.

Regards,
Abhay

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Richard Fish]

On 1/9/06, Mike Williams <mike@gaima.co.uk> wrote:
> You know, you could all just use:
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_speed_up_portage_with_cdb
>
> Then get ultra fast metadata updates (no 50-51% hang*), quick searches (not as
> quick as eix or esearch but *way* quicker than portage standard), and no need
> to update a second database (so no out of date searches).

Except that this will break with portage 2.1:

        ewarn "This series contains a completely rewritten caching framework."
        ewarn "If you are using any cache modules (such as the CDB cache"
        ewarn "module) portage will not work until they have been disabled."
        ewarn "For reference, they are configured at /etc/portage/modules."
        echo
        einfo "The default cache format has changed beginning with this"
        einfo "version. Before using emerge, run \`emerge --metadata\` to"
        einfo "restore portage's local cache."

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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:45:21 -0700, Richard Fish wrote:

> Except that this will break with portage 2.1:
> 
>         ewarn "This series contains a completely rewritten caching
> framework." ewarn "If you are using any cache modules (such as the CDB
> cache" ewarn "module) portage will not work until they have been
> disabled." ewarn "For reference, they are configured
> at /etc/portage/modules." echo
>         einfo "The default cache format has changed beginning with this"
>         einfo "version. Before using emerge, run \`emerge --metadata\`
> to" einfo "restore portage's local cache."

if you are using eix with portage 2.1, you may need to set /etc/eixrc to 
PORTDIR_CACHE_METHOD="backport" to avoid strange search results. 


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Re: [gentoo-user] eix - What's eix, then?

[Preston Hagar]

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Another link for you reference is:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Speed_up_searches_in_portage

It describes both eix and esearch with the basic info (updating the
database, output, etc.)

Preston


On 1/9/06, Mike Williams <mike@gaima.co.uk> wrote:
>
> You know, you could all just use:
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_speed_up_portage_with_cdb
>
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