[gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[El Nino]

Dear gentoo friends,

i want to network 12 pcs. so can any body advice me for a good
technology(wireless or wired??).price is not a problem, so what will
be the best technology among wireless & wired?

please show me why its & the advantages. if you can give me a hardware
list for a wireless network it will help me to buy & try...


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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[Oliver Friedrich]

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El Nino wrote:

> Dear gentoo friends,
>
> i want to network 12 pcs. so can any body advice me for a good
> technology(wireless or wired??).price is not a problem, so what
> will be the best technology among wireless & wired?
>
For me, wired is better all the way, ist safer (wardriving) and faster
(GBit). Therefore it is not as flexible as wireless...

greetz

BeowulfOF
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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[Antoine]

Oliver Friedrich wrote:
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> El Nino wrote:
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> 
>>Dear gentoo friends,
>>
>>i want to network 12 pcs. so can any body advice me for a good
>>technology(wireless or wired??).price is not a problem, so what
>>will be the best technology among wireless & wired?

maybe some more info about what you want and your situation... are you 
in an office? Café? Are you going to have customers seeing the setup? 
Can you drill through walls? Are they all in the same room? Why are you 
networking them? What sort of traffic do you expect between them?
A million other questions...???
Antoine
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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[El Nino]

my answers showing on bellow...,

On 12/23/05, Antoine <melser.anton@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oliver Friedrich wrote:
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> > El Nino wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Dear gentoo friends,
> >>
> >>i want to network 12 pcs. so can any body advice me for a good
> >>technology(wireless or wired??).price is not a problem, so what
> >>will be the best technology among wireless & wired?
>
> maybe some more info about what you want and your situation...
> are you in an office? Café?
office (2 floors)

> Can you drill through walls?
yes!

> Are they all in the same room?
no, several rooms(7) + 2 floors

> Why are you networking them?
sharing Internet + other normal data sharing stuff

> What sort of traffic do you expect between them?
only for Internet surfing + other normal office file sharing

> Antoine
Thank You Antoine for your questions

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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[Richard Fish]

On 12/22/05, El Nino <adaptit@gmail.com> wrote:
> my answers showing on bellow...,
>
> On 12/23/05, Antoine <melser.anton@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Oliver Friedrich wrote:
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> > > El Nino wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Dear gentoo friends,
> > >>
> > >>i want to network 12 pcs. so can any body advice me for a good
> > >>technology(wireless or wired??).price is not a problem, so what
> > >>will be the best technology among wireless & wired?

Why limit yourself to only one choice?  Use wired for the desktop PCs
(since it is faster, more secure, more reliable, etc etc), and add a
secure access point for the PHB's laptop.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[Stroller]

On Dec 22, 2005, at 6:54 pm, El Nino wrote:
>>
>> maybe some more info about what you want and your situation...
>> are you in an office? Café?
> office (2 floors)
>
>> Can you drill through walls?
> yes!
>
>> Are they all in the same room?
> no, several rooms(7) + 2 floors
>
>> Why are you networking them?
> sharing Internet + other normal data sharing stuff
>
>> What sort of traffic do you expect between them?
> only for Internet surfing + other normal office file sharing

For my money you only go wireless when you need to.

All my home customers "need" to because they don't want cables trailing 
around the house, and drilling holes isn't an option, but I've been 
very pleased that one of my customers has recently moved into an office 
with cable-trunking already installed.

So if the budget will allow you to have a single 24-port network switch 
and a cable to each machine then you should go with it, but this is a 
lot of cable and really needs to be done when the office is empty. Much 
easier to install is a wireless access point and a Netgear WGPS606 for 
each room - this is platform independent, so you'll never have any 
driver issues. On the other hand, if you live in Europe I can sell you 
12 wireless cards which are guaranteed Linux-compatible using either 
the Ralink or Prism54 chipsets.

Stroller.


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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[Lares Moreau]

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> office (2 floors)
> 
> > Can you drill through walls?
> yes!
> 
> > Are they all in the same room?
> no, several rooms(7) + 2 floors
> 
> > Why are you networking them?
> sharing Internet + other normal data sharing stuff
> 
> > What sort of traffic do you expect between them?
> only for Internet surfing + other normal office file sharing
> 
> > Antoine
> Thank You Antoine for your questions

For this situation, all you really need is small Switch at each room
connected to the computers in the room. And connect all those switches
to a main switch which is connected to the internet/router/FileServer.

I would recommend against Wireless for office situations due the
diffuclty in securing it.
-Lares
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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[John Jolet]

On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Lares Moreau wrote:

>
>> office (2 floors)
>>
>>> Can you drill through walls?
>> yes!
>>
>>> Are they all in the same room?
>> no, several rooms(7) + 2 floors
>>
>>> Why are you networking them?
>> sharing Internet + other normal data sharing stuff
>>
>>> What sort of traffic do you expect between them?
>> only for Internet surfing + other normal office file sharing
>>
>>> Antoine
>> Thank You Antoine for your questions
>
> For this situation, all you really need is small Switch at each room
> connected to the computers in the room. And connect all those switches
> to a main switch which is connected to the internet/router/FileServer.
>
I would agree, except insofar as the costs of wiring are  
prohibitive.  I have installed wireless networking quite a bit for  
clients where the costs of wiring were higher than the costs of  
wireless networking equipment, even with monthly wep key changes, or  
quarterly wpa key changes.
> I would recommend against Wireless for office situations due the
> diffuclty in securing it.

there's not a lot of difficutling securing wireless....just some  
tedium.  even wep is secure, if you change the keys often enough.  As  
for wirelss being slower....sure, i've only got 54 mps from this  
laptop to my switch...but i've only got 3 mbps from the switch to the  
internet, so what?  if you're not doing computer/computer file  
transfers of large size, who really needs 100 mbps?  I've been doing  
network administration for 16 years and, with the exception of  
certain graphic artists I could name, 99% of my users have not  
exceeeded 10 mbps of ethernet.  much less the 54 of 802.11g.....  
(okay, I KNOW you don't actually get to push that much data, but even  
at practical throughputs, you exceed 10).

> -Lares
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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[El Nino]

is it possible to use an one(1) Wireless Access Point(54Mbps) for the
whole two floors(the building)? whats all your advice?

ps: all advices are wellcome.


On 12/23/05, John Jolet <john@jolet.net> wrote:
>
> On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Lares Moreau wrote:
>
> >
> >> office (2 floors)
> >>
> >>> Can you drill through walls?
> >> yes!
> >>
> >>> Are they all in the same room?
> >> no, several rooms(7) + 2 floors
> >>
> >>> Why are you networking them?
> >> sharing Internet + other normal data sharing stuff
> >>
> >>> What sort of traffic do you expect between them?
> >> only for Internet surfing + other normal office file sharing
> >>
> >>> Antoine
> >> Thank You Antoine for your questions
> >
> > For this situation, all you really need is small Switch at each room
> > connected to the computers in the room. And connect all those switches
> > to a main switch which is connected to the internet/router/FileServer.
> >
> I would agree, except insofar as the costs of wiring are
> prohibitive.  I have installed wireless networking quite a bit for
> clients where the costs of wiring were higher than the costs of
> wireless networking equipment, even with monthly wep key changes, or
> quarterly wpa key changes.
> > I would recommend against Wireless for office situations due the
> > diffuclty in securing it.
>
> there's not a lot of difficutling securing wireless....just some
> tedium.  even wep is secure, if you change the keys often enough.  As
> for wirelss being slower....sure, i've only got 54 mps from this
> laptop to my switch...but i've only got 3 mbps from the switch to the
> internet, so what?  if you're not doing computer/computer file
> transfers of large size, who really needs 100 mbps?  I've been doing
> network administration for 16 years and, with the exception of
> certain graphic artists I could name, 99% of my users have not
> exceeeded 10 mbps of ethernet.  much less the 54 of 802.11g.....
> (okay, I KNOW you don't actually get to push that much data, but even
> at practical throughputs, you exceed 10).
>
> > -Lares
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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[Bastiaan Visser]

Sure its possible, we cover our block with just 2 AP's (block of 8 houses)

works like a charm :)

 Bas

On Monday 26 December 2005 22:27, El Nino wrote:
> is it possible to use an one(1) Wireless Access Point(54Mbps) for the
> whole two floors(the building)? whats all your advice?
>
> ps: all advices are wellcome.
>
> On 12/23/05, John Jolet <john@jolet.net> wrote:
> > On Dec 22, 2005, at 7:12 PM, Lares Moreau wrote:
> > >> office (2 floors)
> > >>
> > >>> Can you drill through walls?
> > >>
> > >> yes!
> > >>
> > >>> Are they all in the same room?
> > >>
> > >> no, several rooms(7) + 2 floors
> > >>
> > >>> Why are you networking them?
> > >>
> > >> sharing Internet + other normal data sharing stuff
> > >>
> > >>> What sort of traffic do you expect between them?
> > >>
> > >> only for Internet surfing + other normal office file sharing
> > >>
> > >>> Antoine
> > >>
> > >> Thank You Antoine for your questions
> > >
> > > For this situation, all you really need is small Switch at each room
> > > connected to the computers in the room. And connect all those switches
> > > to a main switch which is connected to the internet/router/FileServer.
> >
> > I would agree, except insofar as the costs of wiring are
> > prohibitive.  I have installed wireless networking quite a bit for
> > clients where the costs of wiring were higher than the costs of
> > wireless networking equipment, even with monthly wep key changes, or
> > quarterly wpa key changes.
> >
> > > I would recommend against Wireless for office situations due the
> > > diffuclty in securing it.
> >
> > there's not a lot of difficutling securing wireless....just some
> > tedium.  even wep is secure, if you change the keys often enough.  As
> > for wirelss being slower....sure, i've only got 54 mps from this
> > laptop to my switch...but i've only got 3 mbps from the switch to the
> > internet, so what?  if you're not doing computer/computer file
> > transfers of large size, who really needs 100 mbps?  I've been doing
> > network administration for 16 years and, with the exception of
> > certain graphic artists I could name, 99% of my users have not
> > exceeeded 10 mbps of ethernet.  much less the 54 of 802.11g.....
> > (okay, I KNOW you don't actually get to push that much data, but even
> > at practical throughputs, you exceed 10).
> >
> > > -Lares
> > > --
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Re: [gentoo-user] wireless network advantages

[Uwe Thiem]

On 26 December 2005 22:27, El Nino wrote:
> is it possible to use an one(1) Wireless Access Point(54Mbps) for the
> whole two floors(the building)? whats all your advice?

Depends. How much iron is in the walls and ceilings? Are there any significant 
bodies of water in between? Plants as well as people also are bodies of 
water. ;-) In the end, you will have to try it out. Install the base station 
and walk through the house with a laptop.

As for speed, think of a wireless network as a hubbed rather than a switched 
one - collisions will limit usage to about 1/3 of the available bandwidth. If 
you try to use more it will become very slow. So Internet access won't be 
much of a problem (your bottleneck will be somewhere upstream anyway). 
Inhouse traffic like file sharing and such might be might be much slower than 
you expected.

Uwe

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