hi Gentoo udev Guide didnt answer my question, is it good idea to remove fstab entry for removables, i have this /dev/hdc /media/cdrecorder auto user,exec,noauto,managed 0 0 since fresh install and then there was devfs. Am I right that udev will handle mounts for /dev/hdc/ (DVD+CDRW) according to udev.rules what media is inserted? And is there way to very force umount media even if it claims device is busy and i cant figure out what process is responsible for that. martins -- Linux 2.6.14-ck6 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 16:48:18 up 6:00, 5 users, load average: 1.06, 1.08, 1.08