From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EmUV4-0002ud-9f for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:08:46 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jBEB7ZF8005546; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 11:07:35 GMT Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk (pythagoras.zen.co.uk [212.23.3.140]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBEAxptb003395 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:59:52 GMT Received: from [82.69.83.178] (helo=desiato.digimed.co.uk) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EmUMR-0000H8-OR for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:59:51 +0000 Received: from hactar.digimed.co.uk (hactar.digimed.co.uk [192.168.1.2]) by desiato.digimed.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC311406160 for ; Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:40:43 +0000 (GMT) Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:40:51 +0000 From: Neil Bothwick To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is there and Alternative to compiling kde? Message-ID: <20051214104051.115a5ae1@hactar.digimed.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <200512140307.jBE37qRJ013177@robin.gentoo.org> References: <342e1090512091746g221fb5b7o4d878de8f74bb791@mail.gmail.com> <200512140307.jBE37qRJ013177@robin.gentoo.org> Organization: Digital Media Production X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.0.0-rc1 (GTK+ 2.8.8; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-GPG-Fingerprint: 7260 0F33 97EC 2F1E 7667 FE37 BA6E 1A97 4375 1903 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Sig_ZLe2MmZPLrrODAGEHl.PINH; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=PGP-SHA1 X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [82.69.83.178] X-Archives-Salt: 567b9eb5-fa74-42a3-abf1-821467973774 X-Archives-Hash: e8138d3ff96779c086f9dd55a2d8be03 --Sig_ZLe2MmZPLrrODAGEHl.PINH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 19:07:45 -0800, Daevid Vincent wrote: > CPUs are fast, but the programs are still monolithic and take days to > compile. Why do you think the larger packages are moving to a modular structure? This thread is about KDE, and while the monolithic packages are sytill available, the split ebuilds are the preferred choice.=20 > I fully agree (and have brought this up before months and years ago) -- > I believe we should have binaries available for the big packages like > KDE, OO, Gnome, etc. They are. OOo has always been available as a binary (only as a binary on some platforms) and other packages are on the GRP discs, where the dependencies issue Richard mentioned doesn't apply, since they are tied to a particular Stage 3 install. The compile times are only really an issue for initial installation, where Stage 3 + GRP brings the total time down to around an hour. Once your desktop is running, you can continue to use it while compiling updates. > Ya'll that like to waste your time compiling can > keep on doing that, while the rest of us would like to get some work > done. There's this thing called multitasking, where you computer lets you use it while processing other tasks in the background. It is ideally suited to this. > And for you all that want to say -- "switch Distros", your logic is > flawed. Just because I don't want to waste 3 days or more compiling KDE > on a 2Ghz/640MB notebook, I'd take your notebook back to the shop. My 1GHz G4 iBook with similar RAM updated KDE to 3.5 in around 12 hours, most of which was overnight. > doesn't mean I don't want the other benefits > of Gentoo, like "emerge -u world" and the fact that when I do need to > install from source (like something that isn't in portage), it usually > just compiles fine. RedHat 8 NEVER worked that way for me. Because Red Hat uses binary packages, which raises incompatibilities. It is easy to install non-portage packages from source because everything else is also compiled from source. If you really want current packages compiled on someone else's computer, they are already available and the URI was posted to this thread last week. --=20 Neil Bothwick In a classified ad: "Tired of cleaning yourself? Let me do it." --Sig_ZLe2MmZPLrrODAGEHl.PINH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDn/azum4al0N1GQMRAoTzAJ4m1N96Av3ZoXt6Y0dyzwQYnuNBiQCgsAkl cjNZH8XbOrH4yt9ihx10x24= =nxHz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_ZLe2MmZPLrrODAGEHl.PINH-- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list